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India's ambition to become a semiconductor manufacturing player will bear fruit later this year with the debut of the first silicon designed and built in the nation. Minister for Railways, Communications, Electronics and Information Technology Ashwini Vaishnaw teased the arrival of the chip in a video interview that took place …

  1. Tubz Silver badge
    Big Brother

    So, a space programmer, big military spending, fab plants and what next, yet the UK still sending money to feed, educate and medical care for the Indian population, while people at home go without.

    Madness and you wonder why MAGA is popular, UK like USA has paid is fair share to developing countries and now needs to look inwards a little, while the those they helped develop, now take up the burden for the next countries.

    If this is a racist, right-wing Nazis comment, then OK, I'm guilty of a hate crime speech, report me to the thought Police !!

    1. m4r35n357 Silver badge

      Worried they will be overhauling you lot in about ten years' time, maybe?

      1. werdsmith Silver badge

        Worried they will be overhauling you lot in about ten years' time, maybe?

        Already happened some years ago.

    2. Rameshbhai

      First, UK stole trillions of dollars worth of wealth from India over 200 years, pretty much piracy and theft. With that its a doddering geriatric nation. https : // economictimes[.]indiatimes[.]com/news/india/independence-day-how-the-british-pulled-off-a-45-trillion-heist-in-india/articleshow/102746097.cms?from=mdr

      Then your top 10% stole even more, check Oxfam report https : // www[.]hindustantimes[.]com/india-news/uks-richest-10-took-half-of-colonial-indias-extracted-enough-to-carpet-london-s-surface-4-times-101737343013825.html

      And then you took a flourishing economical area of the subcontinent and converted into a destroyed economy, by sucking those capital dollars out for your people to fatten up.

      And you are so fixated on stealing that whatever India does to grow: all that is to be handed over to you? Not pirates but beggars now. Your "funds" are basically two types: advertising budgets to sell your economy to India and evangelist funds to bribe people to convert into a religion even you did not create. Pure evil that one. Its not aid, but your desperate pockets which want to either sell to India or bribe into evangelist conversions Not Aid. Your own government has stated as much.

      No "aid" has been given by England only payments to sell your wares and your church wanting to add converts here as they lose parishes in England and we don't want your toxic hate filled money. You stole, nothing more for you. In fact your school system refuses to teach the horrors' of colonialism as you will "feel bad".

      Whenever I visit London, it seems a land that drops even more in civility every year: fixated on Indian wealth, cribbing for our funds as if you are running Victoria's grand theft rule, and pure hate to every step India takes.

      You are doomed to be a doddering has been, maybe one day being taken over by India. I hope not: connecting with people like you is a p0ison. Islamists taking you over is more likely to happen and for that you yourselves are to blame.

      1. Wang Cores

        Love your insistence on India's victimhood meanwhile hoping the "islamists" overtake your western enemies. You have learned well from Russia.

        I'm sure the moderate muslims and women in your lands are thankful you're stuck on a keyboard tapping away for Modi's glory instead of burning them at the stake.

      2. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Devil

        > we don't want your toxic hate filled money.

        Glad that's settled then!

        Next time I am wasting the time of a telephone scammer, I will tell him that Rameshbhai says India doesn't want our hate-filled money anyway.

        .. All that bollocks you posted about grand theft by a doddering nation, I wonder if that's what the scammers tell themselves when they are swindling old grannies out of their life savings..

        BTW: I have many Indian friends, and you are the first I have conversed with whom I could describe as "Toxic and hate-filled". Perhaps that's what a BJP member looks like?

      3. ReggieRegReg

        Absolute nonsense – India (as a country rather than a region) only exists because the British created it. It was a ramshackle collection of various warring tribes brutally ruled for centuries by a minority religious group who stole the profits from India’s vast wealth - the British usurped that ruling minority (and then later had to protect them from revenge attacks by creating East and West Pakistan.) The industries, infrastructure and rule of law put down by the British still bring the country enormous wealth and employ millions – how many Indian lives would be lost without British inventions such as antibiotics? Yes the British did some bad but India today wouldn’t be the powerhouse it is without the period under British rule which removed the yoke of Mughal rule and put in place a path to independence, national unity, modernity and prosperity. Yes there were glory days for parts of what we now call India thousands of years ago, when British natives were still living in mud huts – but those days were long-gone. Britain made India what it is today - it may not be fashionable to say so, but it's the truth. I mean - what did the Romans ever do for us?

    3. rg287 Silver badge

      yet the UK still sending money to feed, educate and medical care for the Indian population, while people at home go without.

      You realise foreign aid is never free, and always hides a motive?

      It might be some civil engineering project - where the design must be by a UK engineering consultancy and the accounting by the London branch of a Big-4 firm. The money mostly slushes back to the UK eventually, leaving them with a bit of infrastructure that they're reliant on UK firms to maintain, and imparting the minimum possible skills to local workers - we don't want them running off and delivering their own projects without us, do we? Oh Minister, how quaint.

      In the case of India, they have a burgeoning industrial sector and are capable of delivering many projects themselves (although they still like a bit of European consultancy on things like the Delhi Metro - tunnelling and big viaducts are important to get right). In that case, the funding is more a Foreign Policy move. Keep various levels of their civil service engaged and friendly as a partner state - particularly given the populist nationalism of Modi and the pro-Russian outlook of several Indian billionaires (including our former PM's father-in-law).

      And in the scheme of UKGov annual spending, foreign aid is basically a rounding error anyway. Public spending/services or infrastructure projects are never cancelled "because we're spending too much on foreign aid". They're cancelled by politicians trying to pander to a particular subset of voters as part of the culture war of the day.

  2. Irongut Silver badge

    So... India will produce its first chips in 2025 but their first fab doesn't open until 2026?

    I think there is something wrong with those statements. Or are chips and fabs a chicken and egg situation?

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Could they not be developing chip designs in India, which will be realised in 2025 by some other fab.

      Then have their own fabs online later?

    2. Bebu sa Ware
      Windows

      India will produce its first chips in 2025 but their first fab doesn't open until 2026?

      "I think there is something wrong with those statements. Or are chips and fabs a chicken and egg situation?"

      My guess is that the design(s) will be first realised in a laboratory fabrication facility which aren't incredibly rare in Universities but aren't exactly industrial scale either.

      Even a few in AU I believe but then decades ago we manufactured semiconductors and IC design software etc but that's another (sad) tale.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    India is an intelligent country

    Although the smart people in India tend to avoid politics and don't try to be politicians. I don't think I'm smart after worked with a few Indians and seeing so much of their programming as faster and much more effective than my local company programmers. So we've always been good at technology but I expect that Indian technology might be a lot more efficient than our work ... that would be good for all of us too.

    1. rgjnk Bronze badge
      Windows

      Re: India is an intelligent country

      You must have found the unicorns that everyone else is missing out on.

    2. CA Dave

      Re: India is an intelligent country

      If India is such a damn intelligent country, why do their people emigrate/flee to the US for education and a real life because currently 1.25+ billion of the 1.5+ billion population live in absolute slums? Why is the Ganges a trash polluted river when it's supposed to be "holy" to them? If they wouldn't keep so many damn cows maybe they wouldn't have 3x the air pollution of the US. Maybe they wouldn't wreck nearly every single forest to develop on because they're so damn overpopulated. Maybe their currency and economy wouldn't be trash so I don't have to talk to those muppets for "support".

      1. ReggieRegReg

        Re: India is an intelligent country

        You’ve got to hand it to them.

        A country who can invent a religion where the rich land owners can allow two tonnes of yummie meat to stroll around unhindered - despite millions starving – so the said rich don’t have to spend a fortune fencing off their Wales-sized estates – it's genius - that's what it is!

  4. Chris Evans

    40 years out of date, they were making chips in India back in 1984!

    In 1984 SCL were making 6502 CPUs and building them into an authorised BBC Micro clone the 'SCL Unicorn'! I bought and sold one a few years ago. More details and photos at:

    https://chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/SCL_BBCB.html

    In 1984 6502 weren't that far behind the curve I expect India couldn't keep up with the vast investments needed for chip manufacturing.

    1. John PM Chappell

      Re: 40 years out of date, they were making chips in India back in 1984!

      Interesting. I had no idea about these machines, either and I have interest in and experience with both Acorn machines and India!

  5. HuBo Silver badge
    Holmes

    Some perspective?

    Well, 28 nm matches the BCM2711 of the Raspberry Pi 4 of 6 years ago (superseded by 16 nm BCM2712 last year), and beats the 32 nm of the Sandy Bridge chips of 14 years ago (superseded by 22 nm Ivy Bridge in 2012) ... so, not a cutting edge process node but still potentially useful I guess. And for a first fab, you gotta start somewhere ...

    Meanwhile, last June, it was reported that "Russia only has capabilities for producing 90-nanometre chips and is exploring mass production of 65-nm chips", so this 28 nm in India is quite a bit ahead of that!

    1. CA Dave

      Re: Some perspective?

      Yes and since they're in bed with Russia by pointedly buying their oil so Russia can get around sanctions, those 28nm chips will be sent to Russia which would improve their tech by several GENERATIONS if they're still truly stuck in the dark ages of computing.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Indian chips

    I think my local Chinese does a better job.

    Even their curry sauce is superior.

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