Europe hopes Trump trumps Biden's plan for US to play AI gatekeeper The European Commission is displeased with the Biden administration's plans to extend export controls on AI chips and models to most of the world. In a joint statement released on Monday, Executive VP for technological sovereignty Henna Virkkunen and Commissioner Maroš Šefčovič expressed concerns about the measures, which …
I echo your sentiment entirely.
It's all bluff and bluster and if the US of A and other AI players want to burn through energy resources chasing their own tail then I say "Carry On!"
Maybe the beast will eat itself eventually, but I'm not worried about AI GPU chip export restrictions as it seems like playground antics.
Seems to me the the US and China are having a "Superpower" spat and are seeing who can race to the bottom/top first, depending on your viewpoint of course!
How is that US limit for GPU's imported going to work if the Netherlands are exempt? Once the chips are in the common european market there are no further checks at any borders inside the EU and EU rules won't allow further restrictions on trading with other member states.
Did the US administration figure they need ASML and thus should not piss off the Netherlands but not really think of further consequences of exempting the dutch?
If the US go forward with banning the EU from buying as much 'merican GPU's as we need they'll just force us to buy them elsewhere - do they want the EU to start shpping in China?
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The manufacturers, distributors and very large end users are expected to report every 6 months on the quantities of compute that they deliver to what countries, what data centers, otherwise their license to buy and receive hardware will be at risk.
https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-00636.pdf
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The UVEU [Data Center VEU: Universal Validated End User, headquartered in an exempted country ] is responsible for ensuring it complies with the
applicable AI TPP geographic allocations. To receive UVEU status, a DC that owns its advanced
computing capacity must certify that it will follow the guidelines outlined in supplement no. 10
to part 748 and go through an intensive application process"
page 35
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As discussed, BIS and its interagency partners have
identified a set of destinations where (1) the government has implemented measures with a view
to preventing diversion of advanced AI technologies, and (2) there is an ecosystem that will
enable and encourage firms to use advanced AI models activities that may have significant
economic benefits. Those destinations, which are listed in paragraph (a) to Supplement No. 5 to
Part 740, are Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy,
Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Republic of Korea, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, the
United Kingdom, and the United States. For end users headquartered in these destinations, listed
in paragraph (a) of supplement no. 5 to Part 740, BIS is providing a license exception for export
or reexport to entities located in all destinations except Macau and those in Country Group D:5.
However, exporters and reexporters may not take advantage of this exception unless they ensure
that the end user has instituted specific security measures that will reduce the risk of diversion,
specified in paragraphs 14, 15, and 18 of supplement no. 10 to Part 748.
"
... just certain members....
Does that show their absolute ignorance or does it give away how they want to divide it up?
At some point, the UK will be back and we will be even better integrated than we were allowed before. You can't limit internal trade. It would be like someone in Houston being told they were not allowed to do business with New York. You do business with one and you are doing business with all of it, no matter how different they are!
It doesn't work that way. The EU works on a basis of "one for all and all for one". In particular, the single market and customs union mean that there are no internal borders between member states, for the purposes of customs and immigration.
The Netherlands can order enough American stuff for the whole EU; and not just tell the USA that nothing in the consignment will be exported anywhere outside the borders of the Netherlands, but, according to the doctrine that any member state's external borders are the bloc's external borders, may say so entirely truthfully.
Can I point out that most countries and the EU itself already have laws regarding the policing of supply chains by suppliers and customers. All the way from where your cotton comes from to what people are doing with your GPUs. Fines are levied and have been for years. It doesn't matter if there is a border or not. Some stuff can be obtained from some parts of China, but not from others for example. So the Americans are not doing anything new in treating different EU member states differently.
Sometimes it is not feasible to fully determine supply chain origins or to know what customers do with stuff, but governments still impose fines if they find out something is not to their tastes.
@snowpages
"Hmm, perhaps it was your comment's title that led him down the wrong route? Words are tricky like that!"
Yes there was ambiguity in my post titled funny which he read as funny she is in hospital, instead of the bit about nobody noticing she wasnt around. But also Casca is a troll so its nice to return the attitude occasionally
@Casca
"LMAO, the right wing troll is projecting like usual"
Go on, explain how I am projecting when you are the one who was projecting? You decided I thought the illness was funny while I thought it funny she was so unimportant to vanish with nobody really noticing.
Go on see if you can form a comment with thoughts.
@Casca
"YOU posted and thought it was funny. YOU are backpeddaling for all your worth. But like all right wing muppets you do that as soon as sane people call you out on it."
And now you lie. Own your own sick thoughts sicko. That YOU looked to laughing at the illness is YOUR problem. That you are desperately avoiding what I actually said is YOUR problem. That YOU are then trying to relate it to right wing in anyway is funny but also YOUR problem.
If this was an attempt at a response with thought I suggest you go back to the drawing board and try again. If you can
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@John Brown (no body)
"Maybe you aren't reading the correct media?"
Feel free to post a better example.
"My take away from it is that things are running as usual while he's not there so it's not really all that big of a story."
Absolutely. That the President of the EU can vanish and nobody gives a hoot would be the part where I mention she is so irrelevant (I assume typo). Biden gets followed to the beach after he is seen as mostly irrelevant as President.
> she is so irrelevant
No. She is that unusual entity, a competent manager.
A well organised and managed organisation is one where the manager knows how to delegate and does so, creating something that can tick along nicely with everyone knowing what to do, including how to start handling a crisis without immediately running around in circles like a headless chicken (or simply ignoring the crisis as "above my pay grade").
In that organisation, in the absence of a crisis, any person can take leave of absence and trust that the slack will be taken up. Although, on their return, they will have a couple of long days catching up. If a crisis did occur then they have a few more long days doing the bits that are at their pay level to tie it all off, sign off the changes and generally have their colleagues' backs.
Any "executive" who has to be tied into the comms 24/7 is just sitting atop a wobbly pile of incompetence that mirrors their own, just praying that the whole facade doesn't come crumbling down before they have a chance at s golden parachute.
Not knowing these things, one can presume you have never had the chance to work under any competent people or been a useful manager to anyone else.
@that one in the corner
"No. She is that unusual entity, a competent manager."
Not sure that is how she is described. Either as the German war minister nor in the EU.
"In that organisation, in the absence of a crisis, any person can take leave of absence and trust that the slack will be taken up"
I like this. So there is nothing happening in the EU of note? Nothing globally? Nothing even just in Europe? Again if the US President suddenly vanished people would notice. The European version of the US not so much.
"Any "executive" who has to be tied into the comms 24/7 is just sitting atop a wobbly pile of incompetence that mirrors their own, just praying that the whole facade doesn't come crumbling down before they have a chance at s golden parachute."
But to be unavailable for a week and nobody cares... damn most people would be noticed missing without being a President.
"Not knowing these things, one can presume you have never had the chance to work under any competent people or been a useful manager to anyone else."
Nice try. You might not remember the very recent US Secretary of Defense just disappearing for surgery. It took 2 days for his 2nd in command to realise and 3 for the President to realise and people expected him to be fired for that (yeah he didnt but thats because Biden). A whole week and nobody notices leyens disappearance? Not a good look for the glorious utopia.
> So there is nothing happening in the EU of note? Nothing globally? Nothing even just in Europe?
You might not have had the chance to notice it yet, but there is *always* something happen; in the EU, globally or even just in Europe (good of you to remember to distinguish between Europe and not just the EU). Things have been happening for the odd millennium or two.
And so the political and governmental organisations always expect there to be "something" going on, to them that *is* the day-to-day. If there wasn't there would not be any need to have any organisation set up to deal with it! Which might be a blissful world to live in, but sadly...
>> Not knowing these things, one can presume you have never had the chance to...
> Nice try. You might not remember the very recent US Secretary of Defense just...
Ah, sorry, wasn't aware that I was conversing with the US Secretary of Defense, or at least one of his immediate subordinates. Good of you to take the time between White House meetings to post on El Reg.
@that one in the corner
"You might not have had the chance to notice it yet, but there is *always* something happen"
Good, you noticed. And who is to be responsible for the EU during that time? And yet she is hospitalised with a serious condition. She didnt nip to the dentist for a teeth whitening, she was hospitalised with pneumonia.
"Ah, sorry, wasn't aware that I was conversing with the US Secretary of Defense, or at least one of his immediate subordinates. Good of you to take the time between White House meetings to post on El Reg."
And your absurdity betrays your lack of reasonable answer. Aka dont be a dick
The thing with pneumonia though is it's an ongoing illness, you have no idea how long it will hang around for before you shift it.
My missus was admitted with pneumonia and it took 11 days to get her out because it's a bastard to get rid of...they generally monitor your oxygen levels and put you on a high concentration of oxygen that they dial down over time and if you can't get above a certain saturation point while moving around, they won't let you go. It's test, check, reduce the gas, test, check, reduce the gas...
There is a good chance they weren't hiding it, it's just difficult thing to provide press releases on given the nature of it. You can't really put a firm time line on recovery from it nor is it easy to gauge the severity of it...some people can end up with pneumonia and shake it off in a few days and write it off as a chest cold, others need weeks to recover and antibiotics via a drip etc. There are also different types of pneumonia...some are caused by bacteria that can be knocked on the head easily with antibiotics, some bugs cannot like mycoplasma...the latter is particularly difficult to shift...especially when combined with a second infection of some kind.
Given my experience with pneumonia, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here.
@AC
"The thing with pneumonia though is it's an ongoing illness, you have no idea how long it will hang around for before you shift it."
Its bloody awful, glad your missus recovered ok. It has taken one of my family (elderly) and is a serious condition.
"There is a good chance they weren't hiding it, it's just difficult thing to provide press releases on given the nature of it."
Given its seriousness I would have expected that something would have been said about the President being hospitalised.
It is nasty, you go downhill quickly with it. My advice is if you have a chest infection and you get put on antibiotics, if it doesn't improve at all within a couple of days, check your oxygen levels on an oximeter (you can get them cheap at the chemist) and if your oxygen is low, get into SDEC / A&E as soon as you can...the later you are in detecting it, the harder it is to get rid of it and the more serious your condition will be.
You know you've got low blood oxygen levels if you have a headache that painkillers can't touch.
"Given its seriousness I would have expected that something would have been said about the President being hospitalised"
I don't think the severity matters, what matters is that it's pretty difficult to know how long recovery will take...and with that in mind, you don't want your hospital swarming with media for an indefinite amount of time.
The EU president IS largely irrelevant. There's basically nothing that can't be done if she's not around. While Biden is SAID to be largely irrelevant, he does actually hold certain functions that (at least nominally) require his sign off. If von der Leyen was theoretically fatally hit by a bus tomorrow, the EU would continue functioning as if nothing happened until a replacement could be isntalled. On top of that, culturally, stuff like medical issues just isn't a topic that gets this sort of large attention this side of the pond.
And it's not as if a US congres member didn't just disappear and turn up in a dementia ward after six months... https://nypost.com/2024/12/22/us-news/missing-texas-rep-kay-granger-found-in-memory-care-unit-report/
Either a list of different countries will appear, or more probably a ban on all countries (with maybe an exception for those who pay). Once upon a time people predicted that all future wars and disputes would all be about oil, now it appears that they will be about who can run crappy AI chatbots.
How can USA ban models, can they prove no foreign data or work was involved and if they try, simply ask for all that data to be deleted to comply with a EU ruling and if they don't, scrap data sharing agreements and put all your models in Switzerland for all to use. I'm a fan of home grown first, but the USA are starting to become assholes at everything using that chant as an excuse !
I think the EU should be thanking President Biden for potentially saving them so much money !!!
AI and its spawn is the scam to beat ALL scams.
Save the money you would have spent and use it for something useful ... even burning it for heat would be a better use !!!
Unfortunately, the UK has swallowed the Koolaid, it would seem, and we are going to jump on the AI Bandwagon when the rest of the world is just begining to suspect all is not well in the world of AI !!!
HS2 is going to look like a well planned and managed project that demonstrates 'value for money' in comparison to the AI nonsense we are chasing !!!
I truly despair, can ANY Govt in the UK EVER deliver something ***useful***, on time and to cost ???
The UK is in terminal decline and this is NOT about Labour vs Tory Govts as they are proving to be just a bad as each other !!!???
[NO ... this is NOT a 'Reform' recruitment pitch, just to be clear !!!)
We have had multiple generations of useless politicians, of all colours (Political and otherwise ... to avoid the obvious 'jokes'), promising a lot and delivering little.
The old adage that 'what we need is a good war' would not even work as we have underfunded our Armed Forces for so long that we could not fight off a bad cold !!!
Is there any more room under that 'rock' ????
I need to sleep through the next 30-50 years, in the hope that extreme need may push forward someone with the intelligence & will to drag the UK up by its bootstraps without us going through the obvious far-right 'meander' that is calling so loudly (much like the rest of Europe) !!!
In case anyone has forgotten, we have been through a major far-right 'phase' before in Europe and it did not go well and the journey/recovery was very painful !!!
:)
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