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The "progress" of AI PCs is being "overshadowed" by enterprises concerned about the state of the economy and US President-elect Trump's tariff threats for kit made in China, according to market watcher and number cruncher IDC. Shipments edged up 1.8 percent to 68.9 million units in calendar Q4, with Lenovo, up 4.8 percent, …

  1. Richard 12 Silver badge

    I mostly wish there was an NPU SDK.

    The physical hardware is probably useful, but if it remains stuck behind "AI" that may never happen - imagine if HLSL hadn't happened and we were still stuck with fixed-function pipelines.

  2. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

    I'm not complaining

    I never wanted an AI computer to begin with. Here's hoping linux never goes that way.

    1. codejunky Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: I'm not complaining

      Here here

      1. ChodeMonkey

        Re: I'm not complaining

        There there.

        1. Paul Herber Silver badge

          Re: I'm not complaining

          Now now.

          1. ecofeco Silver badge

            Re: I'm not complaining

            Tut tut.

    2. Mentat74

      Re: I'm not complaining

      I really don't see the point of paying extra for an NPU that I am pretty sure will never be used...

      1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

        Re: I'm not complaining

        It'll probably get used, but not in the way the makers envisaged. I.e.for something other than 'AI'.

    3. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Re: I'm not complaining

      But Linux was there already, and still is, and will be. The difference is only the propaganda budget to make it visible.

  3. Rich 2 Silver badge

    Here’s hoping

    Off prices are going to be so high that nobody odd buying the kit then hopefully it will prompt manufacturers to continue to make non-“AI” stuff

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  5. martinusher Silver badge

    There are other countries in the world....

    One of the big blind spots of the Trumps of this world is that they can't get their heads around the fact that there are a lot of other countries in the world. We're likely the biggest single market but we're not the only market, in fact we're only a relatively small part of the total global market. So depriving us of something isn't going to hurt 'them' anything like as much as it would hurt us.

    If you follow economic and political news closely you'd notice that the real reason for tariffs is revenue. There's a push to make the 2017 temporary tax cuts permanent (they'll expire this year) and a revenue source is needed to offset the cost of these tax cuts. (Most of us aren't really aware of those tax cuts because they overwhelmingly favored corporations and the well off.) Tariffs are effectively a form of Federal sales tax but its couched in terms like 'saving American jobs' and stuff like that to make it sound as if the advocates are doing us all a favor.

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: There are other countries in the world....

      He's even talked about getting rid of the income tax and going with just tariffs. I have no idea how high they'd have to be, and what that would do the economy but it would be bad. But that might be a good thing in the long. If Trump just makes things worse but not worse in a way people feel is measurably different than the post-covid inflation was they'll give him a pass when he inevitably starts lying "we had no idea how bad things really were, Biden was covering up a lot of stuff" to cover for the fact that he has no plan to do anything that would make things better for anyone not making multiple millions a year in income.

      But if he totally craters the economy in a way that no one can mistake has his fingerprints all over it, like dropping income taxes and going all tariff, people will finally take up about him and more importantly about MAGA republicans. By voting all his enablers out of office (wouldn't matter too much whether for democrats or republicans who won't bend the knee to him) he'd lose most of his power and they'd be able to fix things by overriding his veto.

      The thing I think would be worst for us is if he just makes things slowly worse over time, but not bad enough that people wake up and realize he's a con man out for himself and not for the "little guy" he's fooled into voting for him. When something has been rotting and slowly falling apart for years it is a lot harder to fix than it if just falls over all at once and the fix is obvious - to undo whatever changed to cause it to fall over.

      1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: There are other countries in the world....

        He's even talked about getting rid of the income tax

        It won't make much of a difference to him if income tax is abolished - he doesn't pay much already

    2. Steve K

      Re: There are other countries in the world....

      "There are other countries in the world...."

      He's working on that....

    3. Jaybus

      Re: There are other countries in the world....

      Yes, I'm sure it must be Trump's fault that they can't sell the onboard AI that nobody wants. I think corporate execs like Trump because he provides a readily available excuse each time their business decisions turn out to be disastrous.

  6. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "It seemingly is going to be impossible to avoid an AI PC by 2027"

    It would be quite easy. Don't buy anything, just use whatever you have for another year.

  7. Tron Silver badge

    quote: But on-device AI for PCs is inevitable

    Nope. Just opt out until the bubble bursts. And not just individuals. Corporates might want to consider that AI PCs with Recall present a greater risk to their business than running EOL machines.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Despite the orange man’s posturing…

    …the Chinese won’t lose.

  9. David Hicklin Silver badge

    Windows 10 extended life ?

    If all those nice shiny PC's for windows 11 suddenly become unaffordable....

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    On the positive side maybe this will crush the forced downgrading to W11 .

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Nobody is forcing anyone to go to Win 11. This is a self inflicted problem. By both businesses and individuals.

      There are alternatives. Many, many alternatives.

  11. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck

    Here's the thing. Under Drumpf, Americans are going to pay more for everything this greedy psycho slaps a tarrif on. In the meantime, America has become a major threat to global stability with these threats of military and economic action.

    Congratulations, Morons. You electedHitler.

  12. druck Silver badge

    The year of the Raspberry Pi

    The Raspberry Pi 5 is now available with up to 16GB of memory.

    * Manufactured in the UK, so lower tariffs.

    * No unwanted NPU (26 TOPS AI hat add-on if you really want it).

    * Runs Linux, so no insecure Windows clamouring for an upgrade.

    1. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: The year of the Raspberry Pi

      Its not really "Made in the UK". Maybe assembled in the UK but the parts its assembled from are imported and, as you may have noticed, we (the US) have claimed some kind of overall control over ARM processors because we 'own' the process that they're built by, licensed or whatever.

      What will really shake things free is a RPi like device that's a RISC-V. They actually exist at the moment but the RISC-V ecosystem isn't as well developed as the ARM. Yet. The appearance of a viable, US-proof, alternative ecosystem will likely crumble control over the ARM ecosystem. I can see how this will go together, it doesn't require any great insight or clairvoyance, just an understanding of typical industry development timescales, something that (unfortunately) our government officials and politicians seem to be clueless about.

      Remember what happened with encryption. We 'owned' it and proceeded to require everyone to dance to our tune (and that even got down to the level of WPA encryption -- you used to have to get an export license for WiFi access points until we stopped making them because everyone + dog was doing it cheaper). The result is obvious -- its an algorithm so it just migrated to "Anywhere but America". This is the writing on the wall -- for those who want to read it.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The year of the Raspberry Pi

      Speaking as the owner of several pis, ranging from the original B to the Pi 5, I'd buy a 3 to 5 year old laptop for general computing use instead and stick linux on it. (Better value for your money than a pi 5 with an nvme base and ssd, monitor, power supply etc.)

      My raspberry pis *do* get used, for home assistant (Pi 5), a 3d printer monitoring camera (original 1st generation pi) as a print server (1st gen pi again) a pi zero W running tvheadend with a TV hat and a couple running OSMC (pi 3 and pi 4)

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