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NASA's Parker Solar Probe is scheduled to make its closest approach yet to the Sun, approximately 3.8 million miles from the star's surface, on Christmas Eve. "No human-made object has ever passed this close to a star, so Parker will truly be returning data from uncharted territory," said Nick Pinkine, Parker Solar Probe …

  1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
    Pint

    Sun Probe Named Parker

    I can't be the only one who saw the headline & instantly thought of the Thunderbirds episode "Sun Probe".

    1. milliemoo83
      Pint

      Re: Sun Probe Named Parker

      Totally agree. That particular episode (for those that haven't seen it), involved a rocket called Sun Probe, whose mission was to take a sample from the sun itself and return it to Earth (with crew).

    2. TReko Silver badge

      Re: Sun Probe Named Parker

      Should have been named after Fred Hoyle, who figured out the nuclear reactions inside stars.

      Nothing will be, unfortunately, as he was a Yorkshireman who spoke his mind and had a low BullS__t tolerance.

  2. RegGuy1
    Thumb Up

    Nine solar radii -- just wow!

    That's just incredible -- literally unbelievable.

    3.8m miles is about 6m km. The sun's radius is 700,000km so that means it will be around nine solar radii from the surface of the sun. NINE!!

    Wow.

    1. the spectacularly refined chap Silver badge

      Re: Nine solar radii -- just wow!

      The Sun doesn't really have a surface or radius, it's just a big cloud of gas that gradually fizzles out rather than having a hard edge. The surface or edge you see when you look at the sun is essentially a trick of the light, it is simply where the density of the gas becomes high enough for it to turn opaque - there is no physical transition there. It's a bit of a stretch but you can make a coherent argument that Earth is actually inside the Sun.

      Even at that distance the probe is within the outer wisps of the solar atmosphere, that is what it is actually measuring. Kudos to the team for being able to model this since that atmospheric drag must surely be non-negligible. Although it's probably a help in this instance, at these kinds of distances the problem tends to be getting rid of orbital energy.

      1. Gene Cash Silver badge
        Headmaster

        Re: Nine solar radii -- just wow!

        Ack-tually, according to the Voyager data, you could say the entire solar system is within the Sun, until you get to the heliopause, and that the 2 Voyager probes are the only man-made objects outside the Sun.

    2. RegGuy1

      Re: Nine solar radii -- just wow!

      Haha. A downvote. It's such an incredible achievement and you downvote it. Where ever you go, there are always knobheads! Jeez.

      Merry Christmas.

      1. that one in the corner Silver badge
        Alien

        Re: Nine solar radii -- just wow!

        > Haha. A downvote

        Well, the Sun is just a luminary that is no more than 3,000 miles above the disc of the Earth, so that the greys can hide behind it whilst they are observing us. Obviously this is all just a false flag operation by NASA and Big Solar to keep the sheeple under control!

        Anyway, it was too expensive and Elon is going to do far more cheaply *and* he'll catch one of the flying saucers in his chopsticks to prove to us that space is all a fake and the so-called stars are just a giant backdrop that Kubrick painted in 1969.

        Another little yellow pill? Don't mind if I do.

        1. Sub 20 Pilot

          Re: Nine solar radii -- just wow!

          Sadly, there are a lot of people out there that believe this sort of shite.

          I am working with someone, luckily not closely or I would have walked off the job, who not only thinks the world is flat but is religious and claims all this bollocks about the sun being a few miles away within some dome, no proof needed, his god said so. Gravity, speed of light, eclipses, weather - no - his sky fairy states that this is nonsese so he believes it. In a just world he would be out of a job and unable to eat and breed - Darwinism as it was called but we keep him alive for no fucking reason other than to dumb down the gene pool.

          When you look at the brilliance of the engineers throughout NASA and the other space agencies you have to wonder why the fuck are we going backwards. Again, in a just world, all the anti vax morons would be the ones that die out rather than normal people dying through the increase in curable diseases beng allowed to strengthen.

          I somehow doubt things will improve in the next 4 years.

          1. Excused Boots Silver badge

            Re: Nine solar radii -- just wow!

            "Again, in a just world, all the anti vax morons would be the ones that die out rather than normal people dying through the increase in curable diseases beng allowed to strengthen.’

            Actually I think you just need to give it time, things don’t happen quickly, in general. Anti-vaxers, statistically and preferentially will, absolutely will, die off quicker. It may just take a couple of generations!

    3. TVU

      Re: Nine solar radii -- just wow!

      It is indeed incredible and we will almost certainly get more new and interesting data about our planet's home star. While the Parker probe does have radiation hardened components, it will be interesting to see if any damage has ocurred from this close encounter.

  3. wiggers

    METRES not METERS.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Hmm, I was wondering if they were measuring it in old-fashioned spinning disc meters, or new-fangled smart meters that can cope with the feed from the solar.

    2. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
      Angel

      Why would El Reg use French?

      1. RegGuy1
        1. MrDamage

          But the real question is, why didn't they use linguine?

          1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
            Headmaster

            And while we're there: about 1,000°C (1,832°F) no... about 1,000°C is about 1,800°F. There's no point doing a conversion that's three orders of magnitude more precise than the original estimation...

            1. Stumpy

              ... and anyway, shouldn't the correct value be 98 Hiltons ?

    3. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

      Meter

      The Register changed over to American English a few years ago.

      https://grammarist.com/spelling/meter-metre/

      1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Headmaster

        Re: Meter

        Downvotes! Anyone who's got a problem with the American Spelling should checkout the following article - the background to the change is within the first few paragraphs.

        https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/22/chrome_extension_howto/

        You can also contact the editors via the [Corrections] at the top of this page to point any mistakes/issues with the article

  4. that one in the corner Silver badge
    Flame

    24 orbits of the Sun

    A mission that is planned to last 24 years on-station.

    Can't say they aren't being ambitious with this one!

    1. Mage Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: 24 orbits of the Sun

      An orbit is only one year at the distance Earth is.

      Mercury takes 88 days to orbit because it's closer.

      The Parker Probe on Winkipedia

      It will approach to within 9.86 solar radii (6.9 million km or 4.3 million miles)[7][8] from the center of the Sun, and by 2025 will travel, at its closest approach, as fast as 690,000 km/h (430,000 mph) or 191 km/s, which is 0.064% the speed of light.[7][9] It is the fastest object ever built on Earth.

      It's on a very elliptical orbit of about 88 to 89 days

      See

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Animation_of_Parker_Solar_Probe_trajectory.gif

      Green = Mercury

      Cyan = Venus

      Dark blue = Earth

      Violet = Parker probe.

      1. that one in the corner Silver badge

        Re: 24 orbits of the Sun

        Firstly - whooosh!

        Secondly - that must be new fangled simple talk for the young people: we always used to be told that a year on Mars is longer than a year on Earth, lasting so many Martian days[1] which is equivalent to soany days on Earth, and a year on Pluto is so very much longer than that...

        Because a year for any planet is measured against the "fixed stars" and the position of the local star with respect to them. No matter which planet, no matter which stellar system.

        [1] yes, I am aware that nowadays we use the word "sols" to mean local days on Mars[2], but as not even your reference provides an alternative word for a Martian year...

        [2] and I'm waiting for the confusion when we get a long-lived probe, preferably a rover, on a few other bodies and people get confused because now "sols" means something different then. Come to think of it, have you ever heard anyone talking about Lunar Sols? Although, with all the twaddle that "dark side" means "far side" just because of a popular music album. Rant. Mutter. Going back to chat with the local AstroSoc, they've all got their heads screwed on properly.

        1. Richard 12 Silver badge

          Re: 24 orbits of the Sun

          Matter of fact, it's all dark

  5. Steve Foster
    Joke

    Temps

    " The heat shield is designed to withstand temperatures as high as 1,377°C (2,511°F)."

    Quick, send some to McDonalds' for their "baristas"...

    1. ravenviz Silver badge
      Flame

      Re: Temps

      Best PSP stays away from molten Bramley apple pies after 8 minutes in the microwave.

      https://youtu.be/Hlau9xLqjjw?feature=shared

    2. milliemoo83

      Re: Temps

      KFC gravy would like a word...

  6. that one in the corner Silver badge
    Headmaster

    Cycles

    Aside from (attempting) to make nerdish jokes, it is useful - nay, important - to use the words "day" and "year", without any extra qualifiers, to refer to local conditions and not assume - most definitely not try to enforce - solely use as "Earth Day/Year".

    Days and years refer to cycles, natural phenomena that determine "what life is like" on a planet: day/night cycle, seasons - as well as observable objects, should the place be blessed with life. And it needn't be "intelligent" life: examples we do have show that organisms at every level can/do react to these cycles, so it is feasible that others will as well.

    When just discussing casually, saying that in this location the year is longer than the day allows you to get across the idea that all seasons will be experienced in one day/night cycle. Far more easily than trying to calculate back into equivalent Terrestrial terms and then figuring out what the numbers mean.

    If you do wish to use Earth units without bothering to specify, then hours/minutes/seconds are usefully abstract units for measuring durations.

    Or just do the extra typing and state what your referents are: a day on Mars takes the same time as one Earth Day, plus 37 minutes.

    1. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Re: Cycles

      I still want one of the JPL Mars team watches that measures in Martian days.

      "Your watch is off, sir..."

      "No, actually, this is the correct time... on Mars."

      1. Bill Gray

        Re: Cycles

        Dunno where such would be available off-the-shelf. You can, however, get software to show Mars time without much difficulty. There is associated documentation on how to convert UTC to/from Mars time (alternative explanation of the algorithm also provided here, and my implementation in C here.) I could imagine the algorithm could be implemented on an open-source smartwatch without too much trouble.

      2. PRR Silver badge

        Re: Cycles

        > I still want one of the JPL Mars team watches that measures in Martian days.

        When I was a boy, we was told that a standard Earth clock (or watch) could probably be tweaked to Martian days, the difference is so small.

        And popular-price mechanical timepieces were that imprecise those days. Usually the balance spring was plenty long, a dingus like a guitarist's capo shortened the working length to speed for Earth. Let it all the way out and it may be near Mars rate. Or hack: solder-blobs will slow the wheel. Pendulum clocks, cut/splice the pendulum longer and whack a slot in the bottom of the case to clear.

        Accutron (tuning fork) and then Quartz gave us timepieces that could not be mis-regulated, or not much.

        Get a fine old Bulova and a smart watch-tech, Mars-rate should be easy.

        Image:

        https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tWQAAOSwfZBnI4Qy/s-l1600.webp

  7. GNU Enjoyer
    Angel

    Metric units courtesy of GNU units

    You have: 3.8 million miles

    You want: million km

    * 6.1155072

    You have: 430000 mi/hr

    You want: kph

    * 692017.92

    1. DJO Silver badge

      Re: Metric units courtesy of GNU units

      No - A unit conversion should not have more significant figures than the original value.*

      So

      3,800,000 miles is equivalent to 6,100,000 km

      430,000 mph is equivalent to 690,000 km/h

      Note the use of "equivalent" as opposed to "equals"

      * Yes, a zero can be a significant figure but it's not in this case.

      1. GNU Enjoyer
        Facepalm

        Re: Metric units courtesy of GNU units

        >A unit conversion should not have more significant figures than the original value.

        Such claim is clearly wrong, considering converting 1 mile (there is no decimal places in round numbers) to km - as 1 mile is defined to be *exactly* 1609.344 m (or 1.609344 km), but according to such claim, it should be written that 1 mile is equivalent to 1 km?

        There was some accuracy lost as the original unit was converted from a SI unit to a US customary unit (defined based off SI units) and rounded, but it would be an error to round again, as that would cause yet more accuracy loss.

        1. DJO Silver badge

          Re: Metric units courtesy of GNU units

          I reiterate: "a zero can be a significant figure"

          So "Exactly" a mile is 1.609344 km but that refers to a mile measured to a tiny fraction of an inch which is very rarely the case. In general usage, about a mile is about 1.6 km.

          It is all about using the correct degree of accuracy that the situation needs and provides. In this case the spacecraft is obviously not going at exactly 430,000mph but approximately 430,000 mph so the conversion should have the same degree of approximation.

          Adding significant figures where there are none to add is implied accuracy and is really misleading.

          1. Blue Pumpkin

            Re: Metric units courtesy of GNU units

            Ahh accuracy, precision and margin of error…. All well misunderstood terms.

            At one time it was drilled into you in the very first weeks of university maths for science and engineering. I hope it still is

  8. Brave Coward

    Carefull with that axe, Eugene.

    So the late Mr. Parker would probably be very pleased to know that the shiny little toy named after him is ready to plunge in the Howlin (solar) Wind, thanks to the Heat Treatment it benefited, and while Squeezing out Sparks in Another (scientific) Grey Area and trying to answer Burning Questions, its Steady (electronic) Nerves will hopefully prevent it from being Struck by Lighting, for the Stupefaction of us mere mortals.

    And all these prodigious achievements thanks to Venus courteously providing the Up Escalator free of charges.

    Gra - a - hem.

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