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Broadcom has told investors its integration of VMware is all but done, ahead of schedule, and that it has turned the virtualization giant into an even more prolific money machine than it hoped would be possible. Speaking on the giant conglomerate's Q4 2024 earnings call today, Broadcom CEO Hock Tan told investors VMware's …

  1. harrys Bronze badge

    well done Mr Tan, congrats

  2. Mentat74
    Facepalm

    And how long...

    Do they expect to keep this up before people leave for another platform ?

    It's all about short-term profits...

    1. Andy The Hat Silver badge

      Re: And how long...

      It'll be just fine. Users will see the "70% margin" on their product, obviously decide that it's great value and buy more ...

    2. JT_3K
      Facepalm

      Re: And how long...

      I mean it's not like it's difficult to swap your hypervisor cross-org. If people didn't like these price increases they'd have bought something else. They certainly wouldn't be plotting a 12-18mth horizon in which they leveraged themselves off the platforms that had been chugging along for years by using these price increases to light a fire under a board and make it a priority activity in the short term meaning this action might collectively tank VMWare income from late 2025 and see it collapse wholesale from late 2026? No, definitely not. This is a sound business decision I'm sure.

      1. katrinab Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: And how long...

        It is certainly easier than for example moving between Oracle and SAP, but it still isn't an overnight job.

        You would need a new host computer, install the new hypervisor on that, sort out your backup routine and software on it, migrate the vms one by one, and each individual vm might be an overnight job, once you've tested the migration on a less critical vm that you can easily roll back.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: And how long...

        Yes, well, like the article says, the VMWare revenues will not be reported separately from now on.

        So any future deterioration of profits of the company as a whole can be blamed on global economy headwinds, or tariffs, or whatever. Nobody needs mention VMWare again if there are bad news. But this quarter it's looking great!

  3. katrinab Silver badge
    Alert

    Sales revenue up 7%, the cost to an individual customer up a *lot* more than that.

    So, they have lost a lot of customers, and probably most of the remaining ones plan to migrate before the next contract renewal.

  4. Geoff Campbell Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Mmmmmm.

    "VMware renewal costs are in, boss. They've gone up by 200%."

    "OK, renew it for this year, we have little choice, then start a migration project to get us off VMware by next year."

    "Already on it..."

    Short-term accounting will kill anything it touches, but especially IT products.

    GJC

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Mmmmmm.

      Add to your list: "Cancel that unnecessary migration project to save money" and you're in the realms of reality.

      Broadcom, like Oracle, know what they are doing. It's not like KVM hasn't existed since 2007...

  5. Ali Dodd

    margin up by 70%

    but support ability has been slashed, almost impossible to get hold of support now (published phone numbers not even working!) and they take weeks to respond to issues. If I had the choice I'd be dumping them asap.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: margin up by 70%

      They're counting on you not having that choice.

      We'll see how things are in a year as more companies approach licence renewal or migration.

  6. spireite

    Pending attrition......

    Completely overlooking the fact that customers are currently pinned in because they can't get off the driverless bus towards a cliff in the short term.

    Rest assured those same customers are probably all bringing migration away to the top of the to-do list.

    When that time comes to pass, Broadcom will see VMWare revenue drop off the proverbial cliff with the bus, but the passengers will be safely off it.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    As an ex-Broadccom employee...

    And knowing quite a number of others who effectively have PTSD from working there, I'd heartily recommend having nothing to do with them, either as a purchaser or as a place to work.

    You will likely NEVER come across an ex-Broadcom employee who isn't happier now they have left. Some of the stories I hear are frankly unbelievable and possibly even criminal.

  8. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "growth for VMware would be achieved in a tighter time frame than the three years initially forecast – and that further improvements are achievable."

    That sounds like a man planning his retirement in the next three years.

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Def8nitely, as that does look like a poisoned chalice he has poured…

    2. NickHolland

      IF they get their return on investment plus "cost of money" in those three years, he did the job he was paid to do.

      IF IT managers learn to not hang their company's infrastructure around one product/brand, he did a job that needed to be done.

      I'm not praising Broadcom (and I've had a dislike for VMware long before Broadcom), I'm just marveling about how companies -- in business to make money and maximize profit -- don't comprehend that their vendors are in business for the EXACT SAME PURPOSE. Just as a change in management at your employer can change a workplace from great to unpleasant (or unpleasant to great, presumably, though I'm lacking hard data here), a change in management at a vendor can have the same effect. Some people show more blind devotion to their vendors than they do to their spouses.

  9. Vulture@C64

    So a further reduction in costs, getting rid of $1.2 billion in a quarter. Well, that's confirmation from Broadcom that the higher paid devs have been let go or walked out. Maybe most of them ? With cuts like this there is no way VMware will be a viable product in 3+ years time, who is developing and researching it, building it for the future. Nobody.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Of course its better, the 1 year renewals we used to do have been changed to a minimum of 3 years (at least the licence I needed had). I've had no choice to pay it for now, but I guarantee I'll have moved from VMware by the time it needs renewing again.

  11. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

    Its all good until all those enterprises with perpetual license that expire in 2026/2027 don't renew.

  12. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Alert

    Kodak Moment (70%)

    Kodak

    “Gross margins on film ran close to 70%... And then, in 1981, along came digital.”

    https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/the-rise-and-fall-of-kodaks-moment

    VMWare

    ... and margins have gone from below 30 percent to 70 percent.

    And then, customers started to bail

  13. Grunchy Silver badge

    I liked VMWare awhile ago, they had the free version you could download and muck around with. The problem was that it ran as a Windows app, and Windows is a flaky shaky corporate environment that Microsoft owns and tends to give an almighty shake every once in awhile whenever they feel they need more money.

    I moved to Ubuntu and run virt-manager instead, which is based on qemu.

    I don’t miss VMWare.

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