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Chinese cyberspies recorded "very senior" US political figures' calls, according to White House security boss Anne Neuberger. Neuberger, America's deputy national security advisor for cyber and emerging technology, spoke at the Manama Dialogue regional security conference over the weekend. During the Bahrain event, she told …

  1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Have you got it yet? Secure communication and back doors are incompatible.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      As I said, that insight only seems to last about 7 years, and then a new idiot pops up.

    2. teknopaul

      Yeah, so the story is: illegal wiretapping of our own citizens we were doing, who happen to be top political figures, got stolen by someone else due to our own crap security?

      I guess we have to hope that they were not recording anything important.

  2. wolfetone Silver badge
    Coat

    Oh noe!

    Chyna have been doing to us what we've been doing to the world for years.

    THEY ARE SO AGAINST FREEDUM!

    1. Alan Brown Silver badge

      Re: Oh noe!

      "for years"

      For a couple of centuries. The entire USA industrial revolution was built on State-sponsored industrial espionage andf rampant intellectual property theft

      Anyone who believes it stopped after WW2 should think again

  3. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Coat

    It was probably Fart with his uncrackable phone

  4. IGotOut Silver badge

    So all those billions

    of Dollars spent on legally mandated rip and replace was well spent then.

    Conspiracy hat on.

    Maybe the Huawei kit was actually really secure and the spies couldn't get into it (it wasn't), so the CCCP lobbied the US to replace it with insecure Cisco kit instead.

    1. Alan Brown Silver badge

      Re: So all those billions

      No need for a conspiracy theory hat. It was clearly political payback for Cisco doing what it was told by the NSA et al

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: So all those billions

      Maybe the Huawei kit was actually really secure

      No 'maybe' about it. That was confirmed by agencies in multiple countries (including GCHQ), so the US eventually ended up having to bully nations into removing Huawei anyway - Huawei having the mere temerity to be years ahead of US companies in 5G could not be tolerated.

      That whole commercial capitalist competition thing they so go on about only applies if a US company can be up front. Otherwise it's blackmail and trade restrictions..

      1. druck Silver badge

        Re: So all those billions

        GCHQ actually found it was very poor quality and littered with security holes. They didn't find any back doors, but it didn't need any, anyone could get in by squeezing through the gaps in the walls.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: So all those billions

          GCHQ did comment on the quality of the code, but they did not state that the code was not secure or easy to breach.

          Stay with the facts.

          1. druck Silver badge

            Re: So all those billions

            Really? I suggest your English reading compensation is not sufficient for this level of trolling operation.

            The report contains such gems as:-

            "poor software engineering and cyber security processes lead to security and quality issues, including vulnerabilities"

            "the increasing number and severity of vulnerabilities discovered is of particular concern".

            "If an attacker has knowledge of these vulnerabilities and sufficient access to exploit them, they may be able to affect the operation of a UK network, in some cases causing it to cease operating correctly,"

            And there are many, many more.

  5. streaky
    Black Helicopters

    SS7

    It's been broken for decades.

    The US has known it has been broken for decades. The US government has held many hearings on it being broken for decades.

    The US likes that it has been broken for decades - else they'd have done something about it. As would many other countries.

    Hoisted by your own r'tard and whatnot.

    (Also something something China's grip on the ITU).

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: SS7

      SS7 is a world standard, updating it would be a massive undertaking. I imagine there are some efforts working towards that, but the need to maintain backwards compatibility would limit the ability to get rid of it entirely for a long long time.

      Anyway SS7 has nothing to do with this attack. It was because US law required telcos to have a way for law enforcement to tap calls and it is that system was compromised.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: SS7

        Maybe read some telecom licenses? The ability to provide legal intercept is a standard requirement of every telecoms license I've read (and I've read a few, not exactly the most fun part of my past life), it's a mandatory requirement.

        Where that comes off the rails (and why you get this recurring backdoor demand from idiots) is that this is pretty much made pointless by encryption. A voice call? Yup, that's an open door once intercept has been set up from inside the system (and a telecoms operator charges for that so it's not as random and frivolously abused as you'd think). Fax was also easy. Encrypted comms? Fat chance, unless the encryption provider is not that diligent or a setup by law enforcement.

        Not quite sure where I'd place SkyECC in this context.

  6. harrys Bronze badge

    Please please please forgive them, they are still young

    They still need to learn from the arch capitalists on how to become even "better" capitalists!

    Eavesdropping will help them fine tune the skills that will eventually allow them to surpass even their teachers :)

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "No word yet on who was snooped on. Any bets?"

    Surely not the Dems they talk direct to China anyway ;)

    1. Casca Silver badge

      Oh look. A right wing nut projecting as usual.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    As others said, why are they having sensitive calls in the open?

    Surely those that need to can be issued with secure phones? Then if they talk about sensitive matters to people without secure devices, the question is why are they. Aren't these people subject to the same laws and regulations as other government workers?

    1. arachnoid2
      Holmes

      But whose secure phones , you wouldnt expect world politicians to buy American Shirley?

  9. arachnoid2
    Holmes

    Spy movies

    Didnt they hear the crackle on the line as they picked up the receiver?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Spy movies

      Yeah, I love that trope. That vanished as soon as we started with multiplexing, but it's still used in some movies :).

      1. Will Godfrey Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Spy movies

        So you're saying it's not a bug. It's a feature.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Spy movies

          For Hollywood, yes, keeps the foley artists at work :)

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