back to article Asda hits the brakes on tech tweaks to avoid festive fiasco

The UK's third-largest retailer has accelerated plans for a system freeze during the busy Christmas period as it grapples with a long-running tech divorce from its previous owner. Since 2021, Asda's tech team has been engaged in a project to separate from US retail giant Walmart. Asda previously stated it was on track to …

  1. wolfetone Silver badge

    I don't go in to Asda often but I was there last week a few times - you get the impression they're struggling for stock. Whether that's a money issue or something related to their IT, you get the vibe that at a store level they're in trouble.

    1. Chloe Cresswell Silver badge

      That'll depend on area, my asda doesn't appear to have any issues, but the Sainsburys often has empty slots in the shelves, and entire chiller units moved from holding food to wine/beer.

    2. Marc 13

      There are certainly supply issues, ASDA took over the local COOP petrol station near me this summer. Closed for a week for the re-brand and then they cocked up the pay of the TUPEed employees, so most quit = they were offering £5 an hour over previous to try and recruit, but word had got out and no one wanted the jobs!

      Meanwhile they regularly ran out of fuel - its the busiest fuel stop for ~70 miles and on a major tourist route - but no fuel! (Despite no longer opening 24 hrs due to above staffing issues)

      Time for them to go away.

    3. Test Man

      I think there are supply issues with some stores due to a recent distribution system issue that's caught a few other big supermarkets too. So probably nothing to do with this at all.

      Certainly round my local store strawberries and other odd items have been in very short supply.

      1. munnoch Silver badge

        Maybe try buying produce when its in season...

        1. IGotOut Silver badge

          "Maybe try buying produce when its in season..."

          That's pretty much all year round for a lot of products these days.

          What? You think lettuces are grown in the ground?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Gammon

      As long as they get their normal Orange Gammon all is good.

    5. munnoch Silver badge

      Just visited mine and immediately reminded why last time I swore I wasn't coming back. Gaps in the shelves, lots of own branded stuff to the exclusion of all else in some categories. Never been particularly impressed with the quality of their fresh produce either, it just barely makes it to the best before date. If I want cheap and cheerful I'll go to Morrisons.

      I think the entire sector has become too big and too diversified. We don't need stores the size of an Olympic stadium with half of the space given over to cheap, disposable fashion and homeware.

    6. MachDiamond Silver badge

      "Whether that's a money issue or something related to their IT, you get the vibe that at a store level they're in trouble."

      I wonder if some comparisons with a "centrally managed economy" can be made.

      My local Dollar General seems to suffer from this. They are often out of the most basic food stuffs when there's ample shelf space to stock far more and some room in the back for really fast selling items. I could do grocery inventory there manually and do a better job of keeping the store stocked. More than once I've left with maybe a couple of bananas (loss leader). Nothing else I needed was stocked or in stock. The more this happens, the less I rely on the store for anything and shop elsewhere. I can't be alone in this.

    7. navarac Silver badge

      Same goes in Morisons lately. Shelves are never stocked, even at opening time.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Extended change freeze?

    Press pause on the change = instant furlough of the contractors involved = cash saving = make your quarter look better than it actually was ?

    Then in Q1 next year claim the market ahead is not so good, so let's close a few stores.

  3. Martin-R

    Dog bites man

    I think every B2C company I've worked with over the last 25 years has had a change freeze in the run up to a busy period - that's just business as usual. Bringing it forward and applying it "with immediate effect" is a little unusual but then for a retailer, TBH I'd expect it to be in place by now!

    1. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

      Re: Dog bites man

      I have a friend who worked in IT for a major grocery store chain, and they did a change freeze each year before Thanksgiving, and ended the freeze the beginning of the second week of January.

  4. 0laf Silver badge
    Unhappy

    hmmm

    I don't like Asda, and haven't since the Walmart take over. I can't quite put my finger on it but the shops always seem a bit well dirty, unkempt, and the arrangement of goods seems haphazard like a bargain store without the bargains.

    Didn't think I'd find myself saying I find Aldi and Lidl more upmarket than Asda.

    Morrisons also has a similar dingy, neglected vibe since its takeover.

    I guess it's enshittification of supermarket sites

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Re: hmmm

      I believe the academic name for the enshitification of a business is "Leveraged Buyout".

      (The killer line in that Feb 2021 report is "But interest rates are currently extremely low, which will made Asda's debt burden affordable." They didn't bank on Liz Truss, did they?)

      1. wolfetone Silver badge

        Re: hmmm

        "They didn't bank on Liz Truss, did they?"

        She didn't even bank on herself.

      2. John 62

        Re: hmmm

        All the private equity firms are just taking advantage of decades of low interest rates and QE which was bound to come to an end sometime and it happened to co-incide with Liz Truss starting as PM. Maybe the Truss/Kwarteng budget may not have helped, but the problem was coming anyway.

        1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

          Re: hmmm

          In fairness, I could have gone, "But they didn't bank on Putin invading Ukraine!" But I felt genocide didn't have quite the same lightness of touch as a dig at the lettuce wrangler.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: hmmm

        Liz Truss, etc…

        I think that lettuce came from ASDA.

    2. amajadedcynicaloldfart Bronze badge

      Re: hmmm

      @Olaf

      Morrisons, like Asda, has got way more debt than they can realistically handle. All thanks to being bought out by those parasites known as Private Equity Investors. As in, "Hey, Let's buy this company, mortgage it up to the eyeballs, give that money to ourselves and then fuck off, enjoy life and let the company collapse. Not our problem...

      Oh, and then we must find another victim...

      1. ravenviz Silver badge

        Re: hmmm

        I always find Morissons a bit weird, their store layouts and ambience are not very welcoming, and their plant based range is very poor. I definitely prefer Aldi or Lidl for staff friendliness, Tesco for selection, and Sainsbury's somewhere in between. And I’m always a fan of a Co-op for their yellow sticker fridge!

    3. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: hmmm

      "Didn't think I'd find myself saying I find Aldi and Lidl more upmarket than Asda."

      That's scary since we have an Aldi (in the US) that I only visit for the ranch dressing. I walk through to see if there are any good deals, but I've really cut out the processed snacks. I'm not really spotting any good deals on things I buy elsewhere so I get a bottle or two of ranch and I'm on my way.

  5. Jamie Jones Silver badge

    ""We are now moving into a critical period, with Black Friday…"

    Well, there's your problem right there. The Walmart ghosts have you convinced that you're in the USA.

    I don't recall sitting down in sunny South Wales for Thanksgiving turkey and arguments with my MAGA family members.

    What next? The Independence day sale?

    10% off for Columbus day?

    On a more IT related note, these issues with the computer system restructuring were predicted by just about all the commenters on the last ASDA article!

    1. Dave@Home

      Re: ""We are now moving into a critical period, with Black Friday…"

      It may surprise you to know that UK banks also tend to have change freezes around Black Friday/Cyber Monday

      Not because they are eating turkey, but because they are very busy periods for customers and they really don't want anything to break.

      1. Jamie Jones Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: ""We are now moving into a critical period, with Black Friday…"

        If that's the case, you mean "UK banks also tend to have changed freezes around the forth Friday of November"

        If US banks are always busy on 5th November, they don't call in bonfire night!

  6. David Nash

    How is this news?

    A change freeze at busy periods is standard practice, isnt' it?

    1. sabroni Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Re: How is this news?

      Ah, but in this one they're not actually freezing the changes, they're having a special meeting of very important people every day to decide what to deploy.

      So basicaly this is news because "change freeze" no longer means "no changes", it just means potentially fewer changes than usual.

  7. Sparkus

    How is this news?

    One of the banks I consult for has their end-of-year freeze running from 01 Dec to 15 Jan every year.

    Retailers in general freeze the state of their systems, excepting critical system-outage kind of work, during similar time frames.

    This practice has been a known 'feature' of IT work for decades.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: How is this news?

      "One of the banks I consult for has their end-of-year freeze running from 01 Dec to 15 Jan every year."

      If you have to call in people during the last couple of weeks of the year for lots of overtime, the pay isn't going to make much of a difference. It messes with holiday plans and especially travel since it can be impossible to re-book flights, trains and if family is coming to stay, do you just leave them on their own in your house? Might be a bit awkward if your spouse isn't on the friendliest of terms with some of your family but you were on the rota to host that year.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Food supply chain

    Yep change freeze is a thing. Twiddling thumbs, using up remaining holiday, looking busy, dusting files, all miscreants that don't do documentation - currently documenting. All planned in until January

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Food supply chain

      Not just Food Supply Chain - central (UK) Government here and our bit of it has a freeze from mid-Dec to early Jan.

      This might partially be an inherited artifact from the days of our systems being run by an outsourcer that also handled Retail companies, so they froze all of their systems over the Festive Period, although obviously even with everything in house it's nice not to have to worry about changes going titsup when tucking into your Christmas pudding.

    2. 0laf Silver badge

      Re: Food supply chain

      Even councils do change freeze at Xmas. Support staff are harder to get hold of, lots of people taking banked leave etc, so major changes are parked. Lots of minor changes get rolled up now though.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Timeouts

    I just wish they'd fix the damned timeouts on their online grocery shopping system's shopping list feature.

    Their shopping list header record lookup times out around 95% of the time, while the actual list items load just fine.

    Is anyone even looking at the cloudflare logs fgs?

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