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The global laptop market is forecast to grow by 4.9 percent during 2025, but commercial upgrade cycles and the looming Windows 10 end of life are driving this rather than demand for AI-capable PCs. Taiwan-based market watcher TrendForce says it expects laptop shipment figures to show a moderate recovery for the end of 2024, …

  1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    How long has this upturn that still hasn't happened been forecast? Private owners aren't going to care. For enterprise users it's cheaper to take extended support until the replacement cycle rolls round. Small business? Cash-strapped so they'll at least be tempted to wing it.

    1. williamyf

      Agree 100% with you.

      And with the existance of 0patch, is even easier to try to wing it.

      Having said that, sadly, many small businesses (and some individuals in independent/contractor roles) do not know full well what their obligations are under HIPPA, PCI, GDPR, CCPR and other similar laws.

      If they try to "wing it", they may get into a wordl of hurt, like failing an audit, losing their certifications, or having to pay massive fines out of pocket ("cyber-threat" insurance will not cover it if the SW was not up to snuff) if there is an incident/breach...

      So, perilious times ahead for SMB and independents...

      1. UnknownUnknown

        Busting GDPR, HIPPA - a wrist slap if that. Even lighter fines under Trump likely. UK little different - see British Airway’s laughable fine.

      2. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Devil

        how about using Linux or *BSD instead, and avoid the potential "breech" fallout? That assumes that OTHER necessary protective measures are being employed when it comes to data intefrity and security.

        I bet RHEL is cheaper and would run on the older hardware. And Rocky Linux if you do not need paid support.

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          You know that, I know that and what's more we both know how to use them. Enterprise aren't going to make the investment - extended support from Microsoft is cheaper*. The private owner - well if they come to the likes of us and Jake they'll quietly get migrated to something nice & stable that does what hey need a bit differently than before and more consistently in the future but they aren't otherwise aware, of their own knowledge, that that's possible. Small business, cash-strapped, short of time, will be tempted to wing it.

          * Yes, short-term but short term seems to win every time.

        2. Number 39

          I have just moved my main PC to Linux Mint Debian Edition, (With the old no longer updating Windows 11 install migrated to a VM in virtual box (far easier than I expected).

          It's a Xeon HP Z210, and it ran 11 really nicely until they decided to enforce their ridiculous hardware requirements to update, however by that point it had served its purpose (familiarised myself with 11, then they dropped android compatibility, enforced the hardware demands and added replay).

          LMDE is quite pleasant and much snappier. Bit sad El Reg looks so poor on elinks, though.

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Linux

      Will scout for used laptops on sites like e-bay

      Once windows 10 laptops go EOL on the OS *and* can NOT run 11, I should be able to get a bargain price for something that works JUST FINE with Linux and/oe FreeBSD on it!

      I might even find something interesting to use as a spare server or NAS, same idea.

      RECYCLE those Non-11 CAPABLE BOXEN, please!!!

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Errrrrr - nope.

    Linus Mint beckons, probably with Xfce, though I'm happy to be guided on a better path for an elderly PC.

    1. williamyf

      Mint or Zorin Core are good choices and are rocking a somewhat capable older PC.

      CrunchbangPP, AntiX or the "reborn" DamSmallLinux if your hardware is truly ancient (Core2Duo or older) or severley underpowered.

      good luck in your linux adventures...

      Writen from my late 2014 macbook air, with a bunch of linux VMs, including TAILS and Kali

      1. blu3b3rry

        MX Linux XFCE runs rather nicely on a laptop with Core 2 Duo T9550 / 8GB RAM.

        Zorin Lite or Mint XFCE are definitely ones to try also for something that "just works" with 99% GUI and little terminal input.

        CrunchbangPP made a first generation Celeron 847 NUC responsive - although I'm tempted to give Tiny Core Linux a whirl on it and see how lightweight we can go.

    2. LBJsPNS

      MX with LXQT. Runs like butter on a 2011 ASUS X220 netbook.

    3. phuzz Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Mint works as well as anything else, but the limiting factor on old hardware is going to be the increasing size and demands of websites.

      Doesn't matter what OS or browser you use, some sites will bring an old machine to it's knees. (And often that's a bank or something that you don't really have an option not to use).

    4. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Linux

      Linux Mint

      Yep! Maybe with wine you don't NEED windows at all.

  3. marky_boi

    I will be jumping ship Apple, yes there is a tax for the hardware but I have finally had enough. I'd rather the walled garden that just works at least you wont be subject to M$ whims .

    Checked out that all my apps have an Apple equiv. now I am waiting for the time to buy some Mac minis

    1. williamyf

      Weird, I'm going in the other direction. I can somewhat afford the HW tax, and stuff "just works". But the direction of their PC hardware is not to my liking (expandability and repairability wise).

      I'll take my current (intel Macs) stable as far as it will go, and then (and only then, not now, then) will decide what to do.

      Who knows what the future will bring...

  4. Mentat74
    Facepalm

    Looks like people are buying laptops without all that A.I. bullcrap...

    Before it becomes impossible to buy one without it...

    1. nematoad Silver badge

      Re: Looks like people are buying laptops without all that A.I. bullcrap...

      "Businesses want to move to AI PCs but not pay a premium as there are no compelling business cases,"

      Then why bother?

      1. phuzz Silver badge

        Re: Looks like people are buying laptops without all that A.I. bullcrap...

        The second part of that sentence I agree with, but I wonder where they get the idea that "Businesses want to move to AI PCs".

        Certainly my job would avoid an 'AI PC' in the same way they'd not buy a machine with a gaming GPU; it's just not necessary, so it's just added cost and power use.

        1. bombastic bob Silver badge
          Devil

          Re: Looks like people are buying laptops without all that A.I. bullcrap...

          I wonder where they get the idea that "Businesses want to move to AI PCs".

          Big WIntel Marketing droids. They SAID so, it MUST be true!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Looks like people are buying laptops without all that A.I. bullcrap...

        > Then why bother?

        Its the "me too" attitude that it seems everyone else is doing it, so from the CEO downwards "we must also jump on the bandwagon ", just like self driving cars, cloud, etc etc

        If course us minions at the coalface know differently but we are never listened to, so its "new! newer!! big shiny...what can we use it for, please everyone, find a use for AI ...please !!"

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: Looks like people are buying laptops without all that A.I. bullcrap...

          A touch of the Bilko Empty Store episode. "OK, you bought it. What are you going to do with it."

  5. BGatez

    We don't need no stinkin' AI

    F a bunch of MS and AI. Really loathe both and if I eventually get a new laptop will do my best to block one and eradicate the other.

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