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If you've been tempted to download the Bing Wallpaper app to spice up your Windows 11 desktop backgrounds, you may want to think twice. The Bing Wallpaper app - itself not a new product - was recently added to the Microsoft Store for simpler download and installation. Going on a gut feeling to investigate it when the app …

  1. heyrick Silver badge
    Unhappy

    The way of the world these days

    Grab everything you can, it might be valuable. If caught, deny specifics. And point to, oh look over there, shiny...

  2. Andy Mac
    Big Brother

    Shocked shocked etc.

    1. cyberdemon Silver badge
      Devil

      > a heap of concerning capabilities that make it a piece of Microsoft-developed "malware."

      Given what is going on with Recall etc, this description applies to Windows itself, and indeed pretty much every modern piece of shite that comes out of Microsoft's corporate arse these days.

      But even I am a little bit shocked at this, especially Microsoft's not-quite-denial that basically amounts to an admission to decrypting and stealing Firefox cookies (if you are using Edge, then they already have you by the bollocks, so no point stealing those..)

      Cookie stealing is not something to be taken lightly. It doesn't just unmask you for surveillance, it could also let someone take control of any web account that you are logged in to. If Microsoft are passing this data on, e.g. via their government / law enforcement portal, then it could be seriously abused

  3. Andy Non Silver badge
    Devil

    Just how long can Microsoft

    keep shitting on its users before they start to be sufficiently offended by the stink to look into alternatives?

    1. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Re: Just how long can Microsoft

      From experience? Forever.

      I don't think anyone outside my circle at work would have the slightest idea what any of this article means, and they wouldn't care.

      Yet, they'll sit there and rant about how vaccines have Bill Gate's mind control chips. And keep using Windows.

      I'm like "dude, if you only knew..."

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Just how long can Microsoft

        "From experience? Forever."

        Definitely. Microsoft now know they can just keep abusing their customers without any visible limits and they'll keep doing so. Even if regulators were to start taking a serious interest the regulatory process is such that they can't keep up. Microsoft should have been broken up years ago but it seems too late now.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Just how long can Microsoft

          "From experience? Forever."

          Its the big corporate users that are the problem, they are so hard baked into the M$ world and are only getting in deeper with office 365 364 363 362 (or whatever it is now), Azure cloud and outlook online that they simply can't afford to retrain literally millions (worldwide) of end users on a new OS, not to mention the cost of retooling production and back end systems where kit only runs on windows.

          Consumers on the other hand can walk if they are bothered, but we are only small change and M$ only care as long as there are enough beta testers consumers available to them.

        2. Someone Else Silver badge

          @Doctor Syntax: Re: Just how long can Microsoft

          And now, considering the impending change in regime here in the Colonies, things will not get better.

          ...in any sense of the word "better"...

    2. Mark Fenton

      Re: Just how long can Microsoft

      I would have abandoned Windows long ago - where it not for the lack of Outlook (and rest of office suite) on linux. Which, I suspect, is why they killed off the linux desktop apps.

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Re: Just how long can Microsoft

        Can't you stick Windows in a VM?

      2. druck Silver badge

        Re: Just how long can Microsoft

        Christ, you actually want to use Outlook?

        1. collinsl Silver badge

          Re: Just how long can Microsoft

          You have to for some jobs.

    3. Alumoi Silver badge

      Re: Just how long can Microsoft

      Unitl the heat death of the universe I think it's the time period you're looking for.

    4. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      Re: Just how long can Microsoft

      Judging from some of my colleages wide-eyed fanboying of anything Windows/Microsoft related - a long time.

  4. ComicalEngineer Bronze badge

    Who uses Bing anyway?

    On the few occasions I've actually tried it, the search results it gave me we garbage.

    As for a wallpaper app... the sort of thing aimed at 12 year olds who can't abide an uncluttered workspace.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Who uses Bing anyway?

      people who - at times, or often or even regularly, use copilot for various odds and sods.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I think the point of the article is that you install a verified Microsoft app to do something, and it does a lot of other stuff it should not be doing, and to your detriment too.

      As the article states, this is malware from Microsoft, and Microsoft are turds.

  5. dangerous race

    What products from M$ aren't some form of malware or spyware?

    1. K555

      Has anyone reverse engineered minesweeper?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

    WHAT?!

    1. KittenHuffer Silver badge

      Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

      I was expecting </sarcasm> to appear at the end of that sentence, and was more shocked that it wasn't there than I was shocked by the subject of the article!

    2. Yankee Doodle Doofus Bronze badge

      Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

      If I had to pick a favorite tech giant, I guess I would need to have a definition of "tech giant" to work with. If restricted to the 3 different companies who supply the operating systems on the vast majority of consumer devices, namely Alphabet (Andriod, ChromeOS), Apple (iOS, macOS), and Microsoft (Windows), I guess I might pick Microsoft? I still hate them, just possibly not quite as much as the other two. News like this does not help at all, though.

      1. Blazde Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

        The relevant question is not which tech giant is your favourite per se, but which would you least mind having all your data.

        Apple will charge me much more to have all my data.

        Some Microsoft software is really nice but they have a poor track record keeping even their own data secure.

        Google have a pretty solid security record and almost certainly have more of my data already than I do, so them. I guess.

      2. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

        > I guess I might pick Microsoft?

        Not a chance.

        Google: Maybe we should drop this whole "don't be evil" thing.. It's really holding us back. I think we should be full-on evil from now on..

        Microsoft: Hold my beer...

        They were Evil before it was cool. Now they realise that all the tech companies are going evil, and they know how to corner that market..

      3. Someone Else Silver badge

        Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

        You might consider "None of the Above"....

    3. nematoad Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

      Well, when I was gainfully employed MS were one of my favourite technology firms.

      Not for their products but because they gave me a well paid job sorting out all the chaos they left in their wake.

      Personally I wouldn't touch any MS stuff with a bargepole and now I am retired you couldn't even pay me to.

      1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

        Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

        MS were one of my favourite technology firms.

        MS isn't a technology company anymore. It's a marketing company with a few programmers on the staff.

        1. K555

          Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

          Any ideas where the programmers work now? Are they still just confined to the sysinternals tools? ;)

          1. Dan 55 Silver badge

            Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

            Allotments.

        2. cyberdemon Silver badge
          Big Brother

          Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

          It's not even a marketing company. It's a surveillance and cyberintelligence company. Think if Palantir were to buy up Pegasus and Cellebrite, but 10 times bigger.

        3. Someone Else Silver badge

          Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

          MS isn't never was a technology company anymore. It's a marketing company with a few programmers (of dubious pedigree and quality) on the staff.

          There, FTFY.

    4. David Hicklin Silver badge

      Re: heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants

      They were OK up to windows 7* but have gone badly downhill from there

      * many will argue it was windows 2000, considering the debacle of Vista I won't disagree with them

  7. Khaptain Silver badge

    Same as the weather apps

    I have always understood that the free weather apps on your phone were exactly for this same reason, data harvesting.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Same as the weather apps

      Even the default weather apps do this.

  8. LBJsPNS Silver badge

    I'm still uncertain as to why anyone would allow a MS product on their premises.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Alternative

    I like wallpaper apps, as I rarely see my desktop but when I do a nice photograph of some mountains or some impossibly pretty Mediterranean fishing village makes a nice change from stark code editors. I did try the Bing app once but the nagging to use Bing search and attempts to change browser settings made me uncomfortable. Anyone looking for an alternative could do worse than John's Background Switcher (with which I am not affiliated). It's free and it's happy to load images from loads of image websites or online storage or local storage. Does what it needs to and no more, unlike almost every other app these days.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Alternative

      ... I just use a cron job and a directory full of various scenery photos I have taken on my hols. :-)

      1. Someone Else Silver badge

        Re: Alternative

        How do yo know that that cron job isn't leaking all manner of details about what it is doing back to The Mother(fucker)ship?

    2. tiggity Silver badge

      Re: Alternative

      I use a wallpaper app on my work PC as that (compulsorily) runs Windows - one I wrote myself. It sets APOD as my background daily by default on start-up, but if I don't like that image, I can give it a "kick" and depending on settings I choose it will grab content of mine from Flickr, UnSplash or other image stores, or if I really fancy a bit of variety it will grab content from ANOther from one of those.

      No spyware / security issues & works flawlessly (it also does other bits & bobs such as optional image resize or tile if image smaller than screen, adding descriptive text to the image etc.)

      One day I should get around to publishing it in a public repo, but that will be a long time from now*.

      * Code was thrown together quickly as a test of using various image APIs** & though it works with no issues, the code needs a tidy up before it goes in a public repo with me as the author (as its essentially still original created at high speed proof of concept code)

      ** POC of a flexible way of calling multiple image stores from same frontend (common API, various arguments, including the image store to use and behind the scenes translates that to appropriate API calls for that image store, injecting creds as necessary as POC was for a "generic" image grabber ) but using same selection criteria as much as possible (e.g. my content, other content, keyword searches, date searches, popularity etc) - APOD did not really fit into that, but I just like my daily astro images!

  10. Mentat74
    Big Brother

    Every app....

    Is spyware...

    We used to run things called 'programs'.... standalone pieces of software that work without ever connecting to the internet.

    Nowadays programs are riddled with spyware, malware, ads and telemetry and get called 'apps' for some reason.

  11. alain williams Silver badge

    How many laws does this fall foul of ?

    • Computer misuse act

    • GDPR

    to name but two.

    But no action will be taken by governments to stop this.

  12. chivo243 Silver badge

    Wallpaper?

    Ever since the Telebubbies days, I almost always switch the wallpaper\background to a solid color. Data scooping via wallpaper app, pfft - blood suckers.

    Now I have to check the Windows using family members for ticks.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Wallpaper?

      The desktop has a lot of stuff on it - frequently used folders directories, frequently used files and infrequently used stuff that I'll get round to tidying when I can get a round tuit. They tend to get lost with anything but a plain background. Function comes first.

  13. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

    Black

    One of the things I do with any device I have to use for an extended period of time is to change the background to plain black

    The blackness of my belt[wallpaper] is like the inside of a coffin on a moonless night.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118708/quotes/

  14. b1k3rdude

    The 2 issue's I spotted right away were "Bing" and needing an "app" for wallpaper - that should have been a hard pass on both for anyone/everyone right from the get go..

    Regarduing this comment - "It's heartbreaking to see one of my favorite tech giants deliberately create software that undermines user privacy and autonomy." Im assuming the sarcasm is dialed upto a 11...

  15. EricB123 Silver badge

    YouTube Too

    A channel on YouTube called Marques Brownlee offers a SUBSCRIPTION wallpaper app that seemed a bit snoopy as well. At least MS's was free.

  16. navarac Silver badge

    Corporate

    Before I retired, the wallpaper on our Company PCs was an authorised Company logo. Nothing else allowed. As someone else mentioned, who the fuck needs an App to sort your wallpaper anyway?

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