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The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has released a draft of the environmental assessment for SpaceX's proposal to increase the frequency of launches and landings at the company's Boca Chica facility. The revised draft environmental assessment (EA) [PDF] considers allowing the Starlink parent to perform 25 orbital …

  1. spireite
    Trollface

    Head of FAA

    January - Trump announces installment of Musk as Head of FAA.

    1. Kurgan

      Re: Head of FAA

      And of EPA and FCC and whatever agency may have some saying on his business.

      1. Martin Gregorie

        Musk's progres

        The progress of Musk and SpaceX is starting to look remarkably like some of Robert Heinlein's earlier stories, particularly the Harriman stories in "The Man who Sold The Moon" (1953) and related books. Harriman got so ritch that his shareholders prevented him from going to the moon, his main reason for building spaceships, for fear that if he died in space they'd all loose money: It will be be interesting to see if anything like that happens to Musk. There are already some interesting resemblances: don't forget that one of Musk's aims has alwayds bee the get himself to Mars.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Musk's progres

          Mars would be the best place for him. He can die miserably like the rest of the 'colonists'

        2. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

          Re: Musk's progres

          I've pretty certain that Musk has said that he doesn't think he will making the journey to Mars.

    2. Burgha2

      Re: Head of FAA

      Head of DOGE has it disbanded

    3. Burgha2

      Re: Head of FAA

      Head of DOGE might just disband the FCC

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Musk seems to be going crazier and crazier...

    I went off him during the Thailand cave rescue. Now I'm thinking that people who are driving still drive Teslas in 6 months' time can do one.

    Puts all the worst-of-the-worst stories about Steve Jobs in perspective.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Musk seems to be going crazier and crazier...

      any twat still driving a tesla, is now officially a nazi supporter and indy jones should give em a good thumping !

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Musk seems to be going crazier and crazier...

        Hi nazi supporter downvoter.

        Hope indy visits

  3. MachDiamond Silver badge

    A launch every 2 weeks

    So much for the surrounding sensitive ecological reserves and the last of the sea turtles in the gulf. Last chance to study what's left of the native ocelots.

    1. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      Re: A launch every 2 weeks

      Lets try the yearly numbers of sea turtle nests on Boca Chica beach and Texas in general:

      2025 ? ? IFT4* IFT5* IFT6*

      2024 8 340 IFT2* IFT3

      2023 9 256 IFT1

      2022 18 284

      2021 5 194 SN6* SN7* SN8* SN9 SN10 SN11 SN15

      2020 6 262 Starhopper1* Starhopper2*

      2019 6 190 2x Starhopper Tethered hops

      2018 2 62

      2017 23 353

      2016 9 185 Start of major construction

      2015 0 159

      2014 2 118

      * Flights after the end of the nesting season have been moved to the following year.

      I do not see any obvious correlations. If the numbers were easily accessible for earlier years then there might be some evidence that building launch sites increases turtle nest numbers. SpaceX have put in considerable work clearing rubbish from the site. The result of the environmental assessment was mitigated FONSI. Some of the mitigations carried out by SpaceX relate to sea turtles.

      It is almost as if years of work from skilled professionals at the US FWS lead to better predictions (Finding Of No Significant Impact) than random commenters on the internet.

      1. Steve Foster
        Facepalm

        Re: A launch every 2 weeks

        How dare you Sir. This is the Elreg comments forum, Facts have no place here.

        «smirk»

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: A launch every 2 weeks

        "Lets try the yearly numbers of sea turtle nests on Boca Chica beach and Texas in general:"

        Nests are one thing, but it's been demonstrated in several studies that when the baby turtles hatch they are attracted to bright lights. Normally, that should be moonlight bouncing off the water which guides them into the sea. With a 24/7 operation light up like Diwali, .....

        SpaceX was supposed to have modified their lighting, but they haven't and it doesn't appear they are going to. The FONSI is a joke and a launch every 2 weeks will make it even more so. A launch every 3 days, as Gwynne has talked about, would make the whole area untenable. There's no chance of using facilities at Cape Canaveral until SpaceX can demonstrate a much higher level of safety. Even then, there may be a issue with the proposed cadence.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: A launch every 2 weeks

          According to these guys, who ought to know, 2022 was the biggest hating they have recorded and they were founded in 1977. They don't even mention Space but do mention "Most babies hatch during the last week of June and the first week of July.", so a fairly short window when the lights might be an issue. Also in the story is "thousands of small sea turtles returning to the ocean at sunrise.", so moonlight is probably not a guiding light issue for thes species of turtle.

          I very much hope SpaceX is taking this into account, but I don't think it's as onerous an obligation as you think it is. And moving to Kennedy isn't without it's issues as that too is a nature reserve.

          1. MachDiamond Silver badge

            Re: A launch every 2 weeks

            "Also in the story is "thousands of small sea turtles returning to the ocean at sunrise.""

            Outstanding. Most predatory birds sleep at night so sunrise is very helpful for them if there is a tasty food supply scuttling about at that time.

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  5. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

    I like Gwynne Shotwell. She does an amazing job of keeping Elon in check and does the day to day running of SpaceX. She has also said that she deals with most of the regulatory issues. However she believes in handing too much power to companies and self regulation, that worked out well for Boeing. Her view is that there should be a general overview that says nobody should get hurt and not worry about details such as design or flight paths. She doesn't seem to care much about the environment or non-harmful disruption such as road closures.

    1. radical.ignorant@gmail.com

      I might have agree with her if there are consequences- company pays at least 15%of annual income per person killed and people responsible go to jail. Including their superiors all the way up to CEO.

      1. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

        So all you are worried about is people dying ? Never mind environmental damage or inconvenience ?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      shes a liar like her boss

    3. MachDiamond Silver badge

      "I like Gwynne Shotwell. She does an amazing job of keeping Elon in check and does the day to day running of SpaceX."

      I'd think the extent of herding Elon is keeping him away from the Falcon program as it has the potential to make money. Whether they do with all of the Starlink launches going on is anybody's guess.

  6. Hannah Vernon

    Public Funds Enriching South African Billionaires

    Glad to see late stage capitalism is still hard at work.

  7. Hurn

    Need a definition for either "vehicle" or "program"

    "SpaceX anticipates no more than 20 explosive events at the surface of the water for each vehicle for the life of the program."

    Erm.. how can each vehicle explode 20 times?

    Perhaps the quote is really referring to "vehicle class"? But, that begs the question "What program?" as, would assume a separate program for each class?

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