back to article EU stings Meta for nearly a billion bucks over competition-trampling Facebook Marketplace

The European Union has fined Facebook parent Meta €797.72 million ($843 million) for antitrust violations connected to its online classified service Facebook Marketplace.  The European Commission levied the punishment after years of investigations into the tying of Marketplace to Facebook accounts and unfair trading conditions …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Trollface

    "This case entirely distorts" . .

    . . our God-given right to make as much money as we can without concern for any consequences. As a Trump-led US company, we demand that our right to milk every cent from anyone and everyone with or without consent be respected.

    1. Khaptain Silver badge

      Re: "This case entirely distorts" . .

      America would not exist as it does without that very same principal regardless of who is on charge.

    2. ForthIsNotDead
      FAIL

      Re: "This case entirely distorts" . .

      >As a Trump-led US company...

      Downvoted for the superfluous and unnecessary Trump reference. What the hell has he got to do with Facebook? They hate the guy. Trump is leading Facebook, is he? Has anyone told Trump?

      1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: "This case entirely distorts" . .

        If Meta hates Trump so much, why is it that every time I report a post containing far-right hate speech, which obviously comes from Trump supporters, it "doesn't go against our community standards" and they don't remove the post. An example, if anyone thinks I'm being some sort of "lefty snowflake", was one in one public group I was a member of (I have since left that group because the moderators have disappeared) involving someone in a MAGA hat pushing LGBTQ+ people off a roof. It didn't get removed.

        Zuckerberg is no better than Musk, or Trump, he just has the common sense to not open his mouth, and remove all doubt.

        Edit - I'll add, that if the meme in question had involved pushing MAGAs off a roof, that would have been equally unacceptable. Oddly enough, though, I've not seen any memes of that sort directing violence towards the far-right. Perhaps Meta immediately moderates these away, or perhaps the hate speech is all coming from the group that is pretty much defined by its production of hate speech.

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        2. Khaptain Silver badge

          Re: "This case entirely distorts" . .

          Please reread your own post and remind us again how you are not some kind of radical leftist..

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: "This case entirely distorts" . .

            As someone who is squarely in the "middle", he definitely comes across as left, but nothing in his post indicates any form of radicalism. Or are you one of those black or white typers with no concept of a spectrum? Or is anti-violence as per his postscript an indicator of radicalism in your view?

            1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

              Re: "This case entirely distorts" . .

              I'd probably describe my political position as slightly left of centre, but the Overton Window has moved so far to the right over the last few decades, that sensible centre-left policies look like communism to these people. I'm not even a member of a union (although I probably should be, and so should you).

              If you think about the actual "radical leftism" this country has had in the last century, it would pretty much describe the formation of the NHS and social security. Many of the rights and privileges we enjoy as citizens come from the actions of the radical left, but thankfully well before our time. Things like weekends, the right to a safe working environment, maternity leave and pay, that sort of thing.

              Quite frankly, I think we should all be a bit more thankful for the things the radical left have done for us, and appreciate that politics is a constant struggle against the creep towards the right, which, if unopposed, will end up with a tiny number of people owning everything, and everyone else being indentured to them and living in poverty. You know, like the liberal economics of the nineteenth century.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: "This case entirely distorts" . .

            Hey Khaptain, you child grooming piece of shit, I called you out time and again for posting POSITIVELY ABOUT THE FASCIST RIOTS in the UK and here you are being a piece of shit again

            You fucking Nazi

        3. ForthIsNotDead

          Re: "This case entirely distorts" . .

          > If Meta hates Trump so much, why is it that every time I report a post containing far-right hate speech, which obviously comes from Trump supporters, it "doesn't go against our community standards" and they don't remove the post

          Oh gee, I dunno. Could it be because it's only far-right hate speech in _your_ mind, because you don't happen to agree with it?

          1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

            Re: "This case entirely distorts" . .

            So you think the example I gave was perfectly fine? A cartoon about pushing people you don't like off a roof isn't hate speech?

            No, I don't happen to agree with hateful people. Karl Popper's paradox of tolerance explains why nobody should put up with that sort of shit.

            So, yes, you're right, you "dunno".

  2. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

    The European Commission's decision claims that Meta imposes Facebook Marketplace on people who use Facebook in an illegal 'tie,'" Mark Zuckerberg's Meta relied. "But that argument ignores the fact that Facebook users can choose whether or not to engage with Marketplace, and many don't.

    They're really missing the point here.

    First, adverts for Marketplace are strongly pushed to Facebook users. Second, you can only use Marketplace if you have a Facebook account.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Not so much missing as the usual PR trick of ignoring it in order to address a point that isn't there.

  3. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

    Meta tied … Facebook Marketplace to its personal social network Facebook

    Isn't that sort of obvious from the name?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Relax Mark

    Daddy Trump will sort those Europeans out.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Relax Mark

      He's only been paid to protect 'X', what has the Zuck done for him recently?

  5. ForthIsNotDead

    I read the article...

    ...then I realised that I don't really care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Does anyone actually use FB any more?

    1. tmTM

      Re: I read the article...

      Old people and anyone who likes to argue with robots in the comments section of posts

      1. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

        Re: I read the article...

        I'm old and I've never had an account. Saying "no thanks" to social claptrap is my default and so far it's worked out well for me. I only engage on things like comment sections with an anonymous user handle, like this place.

        1. Stephen Wilkinson

          Re: I read the article...

          Aren't you Albert Spangler?

  6. ShortLegs

    This has nothing to do with whether FB Martketplace is anti-competitive or not. Its everything to do with the EU trying to screw money out of a company.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Wait, what?

    Not relevent, but:

    "hypothetical harms to competitors absent any real evidence."

    Is this some new meaning of the word 'absent' that I wasn't previously aware of? Is this how the young 'uns speak these days? Some formal legal use?

    Why not just 'without any real evidence'?

    gerroffmylawn etc.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Wait, what?

      It's a usage that's been around for a good while. Is there anything else you were previously unaware of we can help you with?

  8. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Mark Z does not like this

    "You're not supposed to like it, Mr. Z. You're supposed to pay."

  9. Tron Silver badge

    The EU protection racket rolls on.

    Endless fines on GAFA for anything they can think of, to make up for their economic failures. Ordinary people will never see a penny of this.

    Eventually the services we use will stop being free, as governments will have killed the mechanisms that allow this. Once it is all paid for, governments can track every transaction and every user, and block the service by blocking the payments.

  10. Paul 87

    It's a lot like trying to argue that it doesn't *matter* you were doing 90 mph in a 30mph zone, because no one got hurt. Doesn't matter, you still broke the law!

    1. Neoc

      You beat me to it.

      However, it appears to be a Legal loophole in the USA that companies love to use.

      "We had your PII which you never agreed for us to have, and because of our negligence they were stolen. But until a crook actually uses them and causes you harm we have done nothing wrong."

      Hey, m*ron, by the time the harm is done it's TOO LATE for the poor sod whose life has been turned upside down. Companies need to be hit were it hurts them (the finances) until it becomes cheaper to obey the law than pay Lawyers to avoid prosecution.

      I may have an opinion on the subject. :p

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