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The UK's ambitious efforts to mimic the wild success of US research and security outfit DARPA has just a few months to prove its worth, a parliamentary committee heard yesterday. The Advanced Research and Invention Agency, or AIRA, was announced in 2021, but was not formally established until January 2023. A product of the …

  1. cyberdemon Silver badge
    Devil

    Wads for the Boys...

    The trouble with ARIA, is that as far as I can see it is just a "funding agency", no different to DSTL except perhaps with less oversight and due process

    It will not have its own research labs / employees (unlike DARPA which it is supposed to emulate)

    Instead it will just hand out wads of public money to anyone with a good idea the right connections...

    A typical Boris Johnson / Dominic Cummings scheme indeed!

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Wads for the Boys...

      Probably the best that could happen is for ARIA to be merged with Qinetiq, given the increasing overlap particularly in cyber security.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Wads for the Boys...

        And then nationalised it. Perhaps even give it a royal warrant

        .

        Then you could have a Royal Science and Research Establishment (RSRE) that could profitably sold off to the next PM's chums.

        1. cyberdemon Silver badge

          Re: Wads for the Boys...

          We could, alternatively, subsidise nationally important science and technology at universities ...

          1. Roland6 Silver badge
            Pint

            Re: Wads for the Boys...

            We achieve that through the brain drain of UK graduates; you didn’t specify the universities had to be in the UK…

    2. Rob

      Re: Wads for the Boys...

      I've yet to find out where the profit from DSTL goes. Seeing as it's projects are seeded by taxpayers money, once it's developed and sold to someone else does any of that profit feed back into the public coffers?

    3. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Per Ardua ad Mega Meta Data Astra .... Killer AIMaster Pilot Licensed to Thrill

      Instead it will just hand out wads of public money to anyone with a good idea the right connections... ..... cyberdemon

      That is an absolutely terrible idea, cyberdemon, but sadly a most persistent and pernicious default situation which afflicts and destroys any incompetent and wannabe be thought enabling, incumbent government body ...... new magic broom ..... exercising common free and easy use of the same pathetic formula.

      However, anyone with a great idea having made all of the right connections and able to enable the machinery of command and control to guarantee against failure in any present or subsequent future ACTion or APPLication of the novelty [previously untried and untested experience] is quite something else and completely different ....... and would be also extremely troubling and troublesome to ignore and try to deny being floated offshore or further developed in an alien land or hostile environment grateful for a great and novel and noble idea able to deliver so much sterling promise and stellar progress.

      You might think that such things are as rare as hen's teeth, and who would be fool enough to argue, but they are out there if you know where to look and what you are looking for.

      Is the following just the right sort of thing to be looking for and ensuring it isn't lodged and logged with any fierce contemporary competition or virile and venerable opposition. Would ARIA recognise the undisclosed stealthy potential of anything great and new and unique and rush to secure it with the meaningful punt of an entirely appropriate sum ..... or would they stumble and bumble and fall at the first hurdle to overcome in order to have any chance of winning a sure bet prize ‽ . .......

      amanfromMars [2411121621] ........ shares an intelligent educative view on https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/geopolitics-ai-infrastructure-becomes-next-debate

      Cohen penned an article in Foreign Policy titled "The Next AI Debate Is About Geopolitics," in which he explores the geopolitical importance of AI infrastructure, particularly the global race to establish data centers.

      On Monday, Cohen provided clients with an executive summary of the note that explained data might be the "new oil," but nations - not nature - will determine where data enters (sic) are built.

      One would do well to realise nations will definitely not be collectively solely determining the information entering data centres for subsequent processing and media presentation of affected targeted narrative/disputed contentious live realities.

      There will be all manner and a great expanding number of alternative voices and renegade rogue spirits exploring that opportunity to create worlds unburdened by petrified and stagnant and terrified and terrifying groupthink ...... and sharing the ways and means by which the best of future goals and rewarding destinations can be accomplished and reached without having a punitive price to pay to failed systems of former remote virtual command and fiat currency control.

      Such is just the natural progression of that which is inexorably evolving and resolved to not fail and fall into any of the many honeyed bear traps of the past which surely linger on to clearly also foul up the present. 

  2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Coat

    QuintiQ is a *private* company owned by a (IIRC) a US investment fund.

    The result of a management buy out of what was DERA.

    Which the UK Govt now pays to use facilities that it used to own.

    It might also helps to consider that DARPA projects are relatively low cost/high failure rate operations.

    People recall the development of packet switching devices (let's call them IDK "Routers"), the TCP/IP suite, "blackboard" systems and AI applied to improving the loading of cargo ships (which delivered cost savings to the DoD that covered all the AI projects they sponsored from roughly 1970)

    But what about the VHSIC programme to inject GaAs microprocessors running at the unheard of speed of 200MHz? By the time they deployed Intel was doing better than that.

    What DARPA does have is a high tolerance for risk (or failure depending on your PoV) because they understand one simple truth.

    They don't win often, but when they do they win huge. I don't think any UK Govt organisation is that comfortable with saying "No it didn't work out, but we learned a bunch of stuff for next time."

  3. codejunky Silver badge

    "But last month, UK finance minister Rachel Reeves was forced to raise taxes and consider spending cuts in her budget as she struggled to balance the government books, boost the economy, and minimize public debt."

    Did she? I recall them claiming there was austerity and it was unnecessary and more money should be splurged. Then she gave money to unions and decided to raise tax on everyone else while trying to carve exceptions for the public sector.

    Surely to have such expensive programs we need to have the excess cash. First innovation should be the government learning how to manage money.

  4. Tron Silver badge

    What shade of blue is your blue sky.

    Ignoring the obvious - anything governmental is likely to be a way of channelling money to their mates - there is stuff that they could do for peanuts that would deliver useful stuff quite soon.

    Think of the cash that would be saved if simple, secure, modular software was developed for public sector use. No more pissing away zillions to GAFA for stuff that never actually works. You can fork the dullest, most secure Linux OS and run it with minimal updates on absolutely any silicon. All it has to do is work securely. No AI BS, no MS gimmicks. Just bake in file format compatibility.

    They could build a framework for distributed software. They could adapt an e-mail client to use rich media in the manner of social media, connecting peer to peer via encrypted e-mails, take it to IPO and bank the cash in public funds. There's loads of other novel stuff you can do that GAFA simply won't.

    They really need to work out what will be the UK's new tree coverage with climate change and then plant lots of them. Instead they are planting loads of 'native' species designed for a climate that has passed, that will just wither and die in the future. There are more resilient species out there, and there are outlier communities of trees and crops that have sacks of resilience. Horticulture is science and it doesn't need to involve genetics to do incredible things.

    The POTS system that BT is gleefully ripping out to save a few quid, offers a huge opportunity as a nationwide comms network requiring no power to work. So much innovative stuff could have been done with it, but nothing will be. It will be destroyed, as Beeching destroyed the railways.

    Ah yes. Light rail. Cheap light rail. No drivers, slow speeds, sensors to avoid issues. Fast and cheap to build, all over the place, powered by green electricity. That would have been a useful project. Instead we get drone taxis for millionaires and rail/bus cuts.

    There is so much potential to produce the next useful, cheap thing, that would work for people. But no. Not blue sky enough for them, and not the connections to the right people.

    UK universities are good if quite insular. The Tories hammered them. They effectively banned Chinese and other foreign students (ending our chance to purloin the best and brightest from the Middle Kingdom and other lands), which killed UK uni budgets. They also capped fees. Most unis are now sacking staff, closing courses (including STEM, which aren't cheap to run), selling assets and downsizing themselves out of those league tables. There really was very little that the Tories didn't ruin. Maybe MI5 should have taken a closer look at them. Putin would never had managed to do that much damage to the UK.

    I suspect Labour are looking at Biden's expensive infrastructure project. Billions of spending that will show no return anytime soon, corporate welfare for tech companies to build All American FABs etc, but zip for American voters today. Didn't work so well in electoral terms. Labour will spend their cash on things that will buy votes in four years time instead.

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: What shade of blue is your blue sky.

      > Labour will spend their cash on things that will buy votes in four years time instead.

      Not sure where the votes are for the AI bit barns Starmer is so keen on..

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