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A former Air National Guard member who stole classified American military secrets, and showed them to his gaming buddies on Discord, has been sentenced to 15 years in prison. Jack Teixeira, 22, joined the service in September 2019, and until his arrest last year, he served with the 102nd Intelligence Wing as a cyber defense …

  1. Dinanziame Silver badge
    Facepalm

    15 years

    Wow, fuck around and find out

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: 15 years

      And he forgot to run for electoral office

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: 15 years

        Those 15 years will probably just fly by though ... Reality Winner's already out (after 5 years), Chelsea Manning is out too (after 7 of 35 years) and ran for office in MD, only Edward Snowden is still stuck, in (mother) Russia -- he'd probably be out by now if he'd stayed in the free world (hey, even Julian Assange was given a pass back to Oz!)!

        1. Christoph

          Re: 15 years

          He only needs to wait until January and his pardon.

          1. Not Yb Bronze badge

            Re: 15 years

            Why (I ask respectfully) the fsck would Trump pardon this idiot?

            1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

              Re: 15 years

              Exactly! Now, if only he'd restricted himself to storing the secrets in his bathroom.

      2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: 15 years

        In the same way as bragging used the classified documents for bragging, so allegedly did Trump with some of the documents he took.

        May be Trump will pardon him ask him to assist Musk and Ramaswamy to bring efficiency into document classifications by doing away with them.

        icon: if only

        1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

          Re: 15 years

          Just realised the muddled edit above...

          In the same way as bragging[Teixeira] used the classified documents for bragging...

      3. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

        Re: 15 years

        He can still do that from the inside, as Trump said he will, and I think there is prior precedent of that

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
          Coat

          Re: 15 years

          and I think there is prior precedent of that

          Zaphod Beeblebrox served two years of his term as Galactic President in prison for fraud - and even made Presidential broadcasts from the maximum-security wing of the Betelgeuse State Prison. As well as Eccentrica Gallumbits bedroom...

          [I'll get my coat. The one with a certain book in the pocket. Don't Panic!]

          1. collinsl Silver badge

            Re: 15 years

            On the continent of fourecks on Discworld they lock up all politicians as soon as they are elected as "it saves time later"

  2. Winkypop Silver badge
    Trollface

    First mistake

    He should have stored the documents in the ballroom of his Florida mansion.

    Rookie error.

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: First mistake

      in the ballroom

      Bathroom.

      Though you might be forgiven for thinking it was a ballroom since it had a tacky chandelier.

      Seeing photos of Mar a Lago and the inside of his office at Trump Tower (what was shown on The Apprentice was a set far, far nicer than the real thing) it is amazing how cheap he is. Sure he's got gold plated everything in his Trump tower residence (though maybe it is just gold paint for all we know) but aside from the chandelier and piles of boxes containing national defense information that looked like a bathroom at a junior high school.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: First mistake

        It's the room where you get your balls out, not where you have a bath

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: First mistake

          How do you have a bath without getting your balls out?

          1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

            Re: First mistake

            If you're the approximately 50% of the population that doesn't have any, perhaps?

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: First mistake

              If you're in that 50% I recommend staying out of any rooms at Mar-a-Largo

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: First mistake

        "Bathroom."

        That's the display department.

        Honestly, the bathroom wasn't in use so the function it was designed for doesn't mean anything. I have one bedroom in my house set up as an office and another as a small photo studio and call them by their current function. Take everything out and wheel in a wardrobe and they can be call a bedroom again. Fill them with books and they'd be a library (which is a lot of the house, just not in a single room).

        1. DS999 Silver badge

          Re: First mistake

          Any room with a toilet in it is a bathroom. I don't care if you turn it into a kitchen, if it has a toilet it is still a bathroom in my book!

          1. Paul Herber Silver badge

            Re: First mistake

            If the room contains a bath then it's a bathroom. If it contains a toilet then it is a toilet. If it contains a chair then you can call it a restroom. If there is a place for powder puffs then you may call it a powder room. If there is a tin can in the corner then it's a can. If John lives in the room then it's a john. If it's wet underfoot then it's the bog. 100 years ago it was called the privy (councilors not allowed). In bits of London it was the khazi. We are all washed down the lavatory. Or the loo. But don't go to the washroom, That's where the washing machine might be kept. I wash me hands of the lot of ye!

            1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
              Holmes

              Re: First mistake

              Seems to be a opportune moment to provide this link:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2b-wTJ8x3E&t=20s

            2. Brave Coward

              And so on

              And if it's snowing inside (some Starliner defect maybe?) and you need a sled to travel into, it's called a mushroom.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: And so on

                OK, now you're just taking the piss.

                1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

                  Re: And so on

                  "OK, now you're just taking the piste"

                  FTFY

            3. DS999 Silver badge

              Re: First mistake

              In America if it has a toilet it is a bathroom. You can argue all you want that's incorrect, but like the spelling of color we're going to do things our way whether they make sense or not to our former colonial overlords.

              1. Paul Herber Silver badge

                Re: First mistake

                I'm not arguing anything, just playing with words.

                Yours truly

                Youf A. Misms

      3. collinsl Silver badge

        Re: First mistake

        > in the ballroom

        > Bathroom.

        Actually it was both - at one point they were alongside the stage, or on the stage, then some of them or all of them were in a bathroom, then they went downstairs to a storage closet.

        1. Winkypop Silver badge

          Re: First mistake

          Correct

          I chose “ballroom” because it was true, and most people don’t have one.

          Whereas a bathroom should be quite common.

    2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: First mistake

      He should have stored the documents in the ballroom of his Florida mansion.

      Or in boxes in his garage, guarded by a corvette and a crack head. Or on a private email server in her basement guarded by a leopard. It doesn't really set a good example when the little people, or 'ordinary Americans' get 15yrs for mishandling classified info, and TPTB don't get prosecuted.

      1. dangerous race
        Mushroom

        Re: First mistake

        Nice, Mr. Eel

        Joe's garage was more secure than Trumpy boy's club. Far fewer dodgy foreign spy's, etc. try to get a peak of that beautiful car. Also Joe didn't make a fuss of returning the documents when found.

        Let's hope Trump doesn't get far with his mental plans with his mental friends or all Americans are going to suffer. The poorly educated idiots that couldn't vote for a woman of colour over a convicted sex offender, fraudster, complete liar, etc., etc. could be about to find out the mistake they've made. Unfortunately many others around the world might suffer too. Only in America.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: First mistake

          Joe's garage was more secure than Trumpy boy's club. Far fewer dodgy foreign spy's, etc. try to get a peak of that beautiful car. Also Joe didn't make a fuss of returning the documents when found.

          Well, Joe's garage did have a crack head sharing it, who had a track record of transactional relationships with women and.. traders who were unlikely to pass vetting. Plus when the fuss over Trump started, his lawyers pointed out that holding classified documents that Joe wasn't entitled to possess were being kept in his garage, and a building shared with some Chinese, those documents were surrendered. But possession of classified documents, or storing them in insecure locations is usually a strict liability offence. Then there was the DoJ 'investigation' into that which decided Biden wasn't fit to stand trial, and Congress is still trying to obtain the recordings from that. Some of that evidence is a bit moot given the way the DNC flipped from Biden being as sharp as a tack to being a liability, and the rest becoming history.

          And of course as soon as Biden becomes an ex-President, he could still be prosecuted. More popcorn will be needed. Trump may decide to go easy on Biden after all the help Joe gave him in his campaign.

          Let's hope Trump doesn't get far with his mental plans with his mental friends or all Americans are going to suffer.

          Well, most of those 'mental plans' came from the Dems, deeply infected with TDS. If Trump doesn't do all the things the Dems and left-stream media said he will do, then it should become obvious to more Americans that the Demorats were simply making stuff up. Amusingly one of the first appointments the extremely misogynist Trump made was to make a woman the first ever Chief of Staff.

          1. dangerous race

            Re: First mistake

            lol

            Joe should send in Seal Team 6 to eliminate his rival while he's still President :-) Trump thinks he can do that with impunity according to his lawyer with the horrible, gravelly voice John Sauer. Authorise it Dark Brandon and lets see how Presidential immunity works.

            Trump is indeed deranged so it's not a surprise a condition is named after the first individual found with the disorder (or the doctor that first documented it).

            PS Trump is/was a coke freak, that video clip of him and Epstein checking out the talent clearly shows Trump was on something. Epstein, hmmm - what a nice fellow, no wonder he was attracted to Trump, another really nice person. Neither of them was a creepy person attracted to young girls despite the evidence they themselves provided us. Are you a excuser of paedophiles and their actions Mr.Eel?

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Re: First mistake

              Authorise it Dark Brandon and lets see how Presidential immunity works.

              TDS is a wonderful thing. The Supreme Court confimed that Presidents have qualfied immunity for official acts only. Murdering your political rivals wouldn't count.

              PS Trump is/was a coke freak, that video clip of him and Epstein checking out the talent clearly shows Trump was on something.

              Again with the TDS, this time demonstrating psychosis. I assume there is some evidence of Trump's drug use? He being a non-drinker etc. Oh, and funny how nobody could figure out who owned the bag of coke found in the Biden Whitehouse.

              Are you a excuser of paedophiles and their actions Mr.Eel?

              Oh my, the TDS really is strong in this one. So have you stopped beating your wife yet?

              But I think my posting history is evidence of my views wrt paedophiles. Yours is.. far less clear. So nice of you to introduce Epstein. The Biden DoJ went very quiet about who visited Epstein Island. Some are well known, eg Bill Clinton was a frequent flyer. The Republicans have threatened an investigation and releasing the names, and now of course there's P.Diddler and his parties, and guests. Anyone found to have been abusing kids should, of course be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

              1. dangerous race

                Re: First mistake

                TDS is a made up imaginary condition - imaginary like a lot of the stuff Trump talks about - Hannibal Lecter is an example. WTF is Trump on about!?

                If Joe told Seal Team 6 to take a person out with an official request - would that be an official act?

                Being a non-drinker is more likely to make you a user of other recreation substances - alcohol is a drug, a lot of people like it. Trump doesn't seem to, neither do I, except for the occasional Guinness (because it's good for you).

                Leave my wife out of it. She likes a good beating, especially when she's hog tied and gagged. What happens between two consenting adults is nobody's business other than theirs. Kiddy fiddlers need removing from civilised society, Epstein was encouraged and possibly helped to remove himself as the damage to Trump and other powerful people would have been immense. It's a shame we didn't get to hear him tell us about those people.

                I loved the pause when Trump was asked if he'd release the Epstein files after saying yes immediately to two other investigations.

                God I love this, MAGA morons are so easy to trigger and so obviously ignorant of the world around them. Go Jelly!

                PS Funny how the Republicans claims of election rigging didn't just go quiet, it stopped entirely when the figures indicated that Trump had miraculously won the vote! Nothing strange there at all!

                1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                  Re: First mistake

                  God I love this, MAGA morons are so easy to trigger and so obviously ignorant of the world around them. Go Jelly!

                  Go where? Sadly I missed out on the Harris campaign's wonga bonanaza. But TDS sufferers (ie Dems) are perma-triggered, taking offence at pretty much everything. You seem convinced there's some connection between Epstein and Trump, yet seem unable to produce any actual evidence. Not even a pizza receipt, or flight logs, as shown for Bill Clinton.

                  PS Funny how the Republicans claims of election rigging didn't just go quiet, it stopped entirely when the figures indicated that Trump had miraculously won the vote! Nothing strange there at all!

                  It's the Dems turn now, and some are already floating that one. When they're not blaming everyone but themselves and their hate-fuelled campaign for unleashing a 'Red Wave' on them. But there is still an interesting question just how Trump managed to flip over 10m voters from Biden.

                  1. MachDiamond Silver badge

                    Re: First mistake

                    But there is still an interesting question just how Trump managed to flip over 10m voters from Bide"

                    I recently saw a graph of the turnouts for registered Dems and Reps where there was a massive spike in participation by Democrats in the 2020 election. Not just a little, but an unbelievable increase. I'm hoping somebody will have the tallies for the 2024 election and can compare the turnout for each party contrasted with the last several Presidential elections. It's not proof of anything and Mr Trump is very controversial, but it does point at the need to see what else the data might show.

                    Over my lifetime, campaigns have just become worse. It makes is hard to vote FOR anybody as they all just snipe at each other and don't seem to have much to say on their own behalf. Too much of the time I'm just voting against candidates until I hit the end of the list and put a mark on the last one standing.

                  2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

                    Re: First mistake

                    "TDS sufferers"

                    Don't you mean PQJ??

                2. Roo
                  Windows

                  Re: First mistake

                  "Being a non-drinker is more likely to make you a user of other recreation substances - alcohol is a drug, a lot of people like it. Trump doesn't seem to, neither do I, except for the occasional Guinness (because it's good for you)."

                  Trump can't even keep a marriage vow for more than a couple of minutes, he can't even remember what his wife looks like, he talks trash all the time, rants like an angry drunk and lies about everything ... The chances are he is lying about being teetotal as well.

                  1. MachDiamond Silver badge

                    Re: First mistake

                    "except for the occasional Guinness (because it's good for you).""

                    Damn right it is. A wee dram of a good single malt does ye nay harm either, ya ken.

              2. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: First mistake

                Oh I'm very happy to see all the visitors to Epstein's island and various homes exposed and prosecuted.

                If only someone would declassify the files, a task which nobody, including Trump, seems very keen on doing.

                I wonder why that is?

                1. DS999 Silver badge

                  Re: First mistake

                  Biden ought to declassify them on his way out the door. Because we all know that if Trump did, they would be edited to remove his name first, and then the names of anyone else he wanted to protect (a service he would happily sell them for a few million dollars)

                  Then he'd add a few names like Liz Cheney since his ego is so fragile he can't handle anyone - especially those in his party - telling the truth about him.

                  1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                    Re: First mistake

                    Biden ought to declassify them on his way out the door.

                    He can't. The offence would have been committed when he took classified documents he wasn't entitled to and left them in boxes in an open garage. Again I guess it depends how much Joe helped Trump win this election, or if someone might be out to Gaetz him now.

                    Because we all know that if Trump did, they would be edited to remove his name first, and then the names of anyone else he wanted to protect (a service he would happily sell them for a few million dollars)

                    And just like that, we're back to the way the Demorats protected the names in Epstein's little black book.. Looks like this Thanksgiving, a lot of turkeys might be facing the slaughter.

                    1. DS999 Silver badge

                      Re: First mistake

                      He can't

                      What do you mean? Presidents have the power to declassify any government document they want while they are president, providing they follow the correct procedure (meaning you can't just think them into a declassified state like Trump claimed he did) If Biden wants to do this before he leaves office, there is nothing Trump or congress can do to stop him.

                      It is hilarious you are trying to compare Biden's accidental retention of a few documents which he immediately had the FBI go with carte blanche to search anywhere and retrieve when he found out about them to Trump deliberately stealing them, showing them around to people without security clearances, and obstructing justice on multiple occasions trying to lie that they had all been returned and when they caught trying to move them around to hide them from the FBI.

                      Even Bill Barr, his handpicked Attorney General, said it was an open and shut case. Yes he had his pet judge dismiss the case but since her ruling was against Supreme Court precedent it was bound to be overturned (she had already been slapped down twice, HARD, by the very conservative appeals court above her) But she knew that but she just wanted to help Trump in his quest to delay. She'll probably be rewarded with a seat on the Supreme Court for her trouble, making it even more corrupt than it already is.

                      It is quite possible most of Jack Smith's case will be made public. Trump will never stand trial (even if he leaves office peacefully in four years he'll be in such a state of mental decline that they'd never try to bring back that case) but hopefully the public will at least be able to see all the evidence like the security cam footage from Trump's swamp palace showing the boxes being moved, the testimony of employees involved in it, etc.

                      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                        Re: First mistake

                        What do you mean? Presidents have the power to declassify any government document they want while they are president, providing they follow the correct procedure (meaning you can't just think them into a declassified state like Trump claimed he did) If Biden wants to do this before he leaves office, there is nothing Trump or congress can do to stop him.

                        You're missing the point. Biden did not have the legal authority to retain classified documents or store them in his garage after he ceased to be VP. Attempting to declassify them now wouldn't retrospectively eliminate those crimes. And obviously attempting to declassify them to avoid prosecution would be mens rea, along with anyone who assisted him as obviously it's an attempt to evade justice.

                        It is hilarious you are trying to compare Biden's accidental retention of a few documents which he immediately had the FBI go with carte blanche to search anywhere and retrieve when he found out about them to Trump deliberately stealing the

                        Accidental? How do you 'accidentally' take boxes of protectively marked documents home with you? This airman did, and is now facing 15yrs in jail for accessing and mishandling classified material. But your 'defence' shows you don't understand how this stuff is supposed to work. The US and pretty much every country has rules that are supposed to be followed. From memory, I think the US were specified in their 'Orange Book' (the UK were in the 'MPS') stating that classified documents are to be kept in a secure location, stored in secure safes or filing cabinets and returned if no longer required, or no longer authorised. Not stored in cardboard boxes in an open garage. Plus Biden didn't immediately have the FBI go look, he had his lawyers go look first.

                        If nothing else, it shows 'leaders' can have a casual disregard for both basic, and legally required security procedures.

                        It is quite possible most of Jack Smith's case will be made public. Trump will never stand trial (even if he leaves office peacefully in four years he'll be in such a state of mental decline that they'd never try to bring back that case) but hopefully the public will at least be able to see all the evidence like the security cam footage from Trump's swamp palace showing the boxes being moved, the testimony of employees involved in it, etc.

                        I'm sure Smith's <mis>handling of this case will be made public given he seems to have been a very special prosecutor. It's also interesting you're preparing for the Biden defence, ie he wasn't fit to stand trial. Oh, and security cam footage. Maybe that would just show that Trump's security arrangements were a whole lot better than Biden's garage.

                        1. DS999 Silver badge

                          Re: First mistake

                          What does declassifying the Epstein client list have to do with the documents Biden was found to have (and unlikely Trump immediately returned, which is why he was not charged)

                          Just a typical MAGA moron, changing the subject from something uncomfortable. You know that Trump's name would feature prominently in that list - Epstein called Trump "my best friend". Even if that was partially hyperbole, it is clear that Trump had a far closer relationship to Epstein than he or any of his supporters (especially the Q idiots) would like to admit.

                          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                            Re: First mistake

                            What does declassifying the Epstein client list have to do with the documents Biden was found to have (and unlikely Trump immediately returned, which is why he was not charged)

                            Biden wasn't charged because he wasn't considered fit to stand trial. Biden was illegally in possession of classified documents for years, then 'immediately returned' them after he sicced the DoJ on Trump. This airman just got 15yrs for being in possession of classified material, yet neither Biden nor Clinton who committed the same offences escaped prosecution.

                            Even if that was partially hyperbole, it is clear that Trump had a far closer relationship to Epstein than he or any of his supporters (especially the Q idiots) would like to admit.

                            Clear to addled TDS sufferers maybe. But between Epstein's arrest and possible arkancide in 2019, the lawfare and attempts to smear Trump with.. anything, there has been no evidence of any illicit or illegal relationship between Epstein and Trump. Plus unlike say, Bill Clinton, Trump wouldn't need to be a regular visitor to Epstein Island because Trump owns his Mar-a-Lago Club.. And Epstein was a member, until he got kicked out for hassling women there.

                    2. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

                      Re: First mistake

                      " Biden ought to declassify them on his way out the door.

                      He can't. The offence would have been committed when he took classified documents he wasn't entitled to and left them in boxes in an open garage. Agai"

                      The Epstein files you doofus.

                      Biden should declassify those before he leaves office.

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: First mistake

              You said "Joe should send in Seal Team 6 to eliminate his rival " now that is a true democrap saying stuff like that. pathetic.

              1. dangerous race

                Re: First mistake

                Brave AC - if you haven't worked it out, I'm not an American. I live in an advanced country where the rule of law is applied fairly evenly. My leanings are Conservative. Trump and his minions are not Conservatives, the US Dems are nearer our Conservatives, Trump's Republicans are further right than any US Republicans in US history. Let's see where you guys end up with this lot, if it works out, well good. If not, blame yourselves, not the Dems.

                Trump doesn't understand how tariffs work: hint - American consumers pay more for imported goods or pay the higher price of made in the USA goods, either way you pay more for stuff. Not so difficult to understand, though Trump can't, or does and lies to the American people.

                PS I've not down voted you or Mr Eel. I don't need to.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: First mistake

                  >Trump doesn't understand how tariffs work

                  Trump totally understands how tariffs work, you threaten countries with them if they don't open golf courses / hotels and you impose them on American companies that don't advertise on your social media platform.

                2. bombastic bob Silver badge
                  Facepalm

                  Re: First mistake

                  thread decay. Almost like Godwin's Law

                3. MachDiamond Silver badge

                  Re: First mistake

                  "Trump and his minions are not Conservatives, the US Dems are nearer our Conservatives,"

                  That's really frightening.

                  I think part of the problem with perceptions is that reporting is so heavily biased. If you aren't in the US, the stories are even more cherry picked to increase the click-bait aspects. The same works in reverse. I'm not a fan of Scotland breaking off from the UK, but I have to dig to find news stories and there isn't any discussion "down the pub" about the topic. The big problem where I am is the lack of a pub. There's a bar, but it's mainly a place where people go to tie one on rather than converse. A bunch of years ago there was a coffee house near to where I lived that I'd describe as a 'dry' pub and it attracted a really great group of people. Down the road was a fairly affluent area so there would also be a bunch of cute girls that had taken a summer Au-pair job for a well to do family. The international aspect really made the place worth going someplace where I couldn't get a pint of something tasty.

                4. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

                  Re: First mistake

                  I heard somewhere that trending Google searches just after the election included such gems as "what are tariffs", "how do tariffs work" and "can I take back or cancel my vote?" :-)

            3. bombastic bob Silver badge
              Trollface

              Re: First mistake

              you got someone living rent free in your head?

          2. MachDiamond Silver badge

            Re: First mistake

            "Well, Joe's garage did have a crack head sharing it, who had a track record of transactional relationships with women and.. traders who were unlikely to pass vetting. "

            I don't recall the Central Scrutinizer mentioning this.

            1. HandlesMessiah

              Re: First mistake

              Take my upvote, Frank.

          3. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: First mistake

            "Well, most of those 'mental plans' came from the Dems, deeply infected with TDS. If Trump doesn't do all the things the Dems and left-stream media said he will do, then it should become obvious to more Americans that the Demorats were simply making stuff up."

            Wow! The mental gymnastics in that are mind blowing. So Trump "stole" his ideas from the Dems and if he fails to live up to all those campaign promises, it's because the Dems invented them? Riiiight!!!!

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: First mistake

          > The poorly educated idiots that couldn't vote for a woman of colour over a convicted sex offender, fraudster, complete liar, etc.,

          If those were anyone's motivation, then they knew what they were doing- at least as far as those values and reasons for making that choice go.

          Other bad choices might be excused due to a lack of education, being a bigot and/or someone who identifies with someone like that isn't.

        3. bombastic bob Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: First mistake

          TDS detected. get over it.

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      3. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: First mistake

        "Or in boxes in his garage, guarded by a corvette and a crack head."

        By calling it a "bathroom", it gives on the impression that it's a space that anybody can have access to. Gonna be a minute and want something to read......

        Back in my mis-spent youth, a sound system company I worked for had several industrial units and we turned one or two of the loos into locked storage since while the speaker cabinets were impressive, somebody breaking in and rolling out with the main effects/processing rack would do a lot of financial damage. Somebody could still break in, but it would take time and the alarm would be howling the whole time. The best defense is sometimes just a delaying move. The idiot merchants that leave cash in the till find this out when somebody breaks the glass and takes the whole till or pries it open and can be gone in 3 minutes. If the morning drawer was in a safe bolted to the floor, there could be a chance that the filth can show up in time.

  3. An_Old_Dog Silver badge
    Coat

    Lurkers

    If I were a foreign agent, I would be, from the comfort of my office ("behind seven proxies") searching social media for "personalities" like Mr. Texeira's, and trying to troll them. "You work in 'Cyber'-what?! Sure you do. And, you're the queen of Spain, you're an astronaut, and you own a bar. If you've really got access, then post something cool; otherwise, STFU and go back to your mum's basement, ya poseur!"

    It beats risking my physical ass in a foreign country.

    (Mine's the Burberry trench coat.)

    1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Coat

      "searching social media for "personalities" like Mr. Texeira's,"

      Hard to believe that this is not being done by at least some (all?) countries at least a little bit.

      You might call it a "Mouse hunt," given the very well known acronym intelligence agencies world wide use.

      Money

      Ideology

      Compromise

      Ego

      I'd suggest a certain amount of I and a large dose of E in his case.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: "searching social media for "personalities" like Mr. Texeira's,"

        You might call it a "Mouse hunt," given the very well known acronym intelligence agencies world wide use.

        The 'C' is Conscience, and the compromise comes from picking which element of the mouse to attack.

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

          Re: "searching social media for "personalities" like Mr. Texeira's,"

          The C is much more likely to be compromise. Seeing as that's something intelligence agencies do. In particular the KGB used prefer to blackmail agents than to pay them - because it was cheaper - and foreign currency was hard to come by.

          Conscience would be part of ideology.

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: "searching social media for "personalities" like Mr. Texeira's,"

            The C is much more likely to be compromise..

            ..Conscience would be part of ideology.

            No, they're very different characteristics. They may be related, ie someone who couldn't find the origins of the 'Slava' thing may have done that due to their ideology, ie they're supportive of the OUN and general 'Right Sector' ideologies as well.

            Someone with a conscience may find those ideologies abhorent, along with questioning their nations position wrt things like this-

            https://press.un.org/en/2024/gashc4428.doc.htm

            The Committee approved the draft resolution, “Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance” (document A/C.3/79/L.2), as amended, by a recorded vote of 116 in favour to 54 against, with 11 abstentions.

            The US and Ukraine of course voted against this resolution. Back in 2021 when the UN also voted on this resolution, only two nations voted against it.. The US and Ukraine. That voting pattern may trouble someone's conscience because they should abhor Nazi, neo-Nazism or xenophobic ideologies.

            Anyway, from a quick google, it seems 'C' can be Conscience, Coercion or Compromise depending on source. Compromise seems redundant given that's what you're doing, but I guess you could be compromising your target with a honey trap operation, much as Epstein did.

            1. collinsl Silver badge

              Re: "searching social media for "personalities" like Mr. Texeira's,"

              > Anyway, from a quick google, it seems 'C' can be Conscience, Coercion or Compromise depending on source. Compromise seems redundant given that's what you're doing, but I guess you could be compromising your target with a honey trap operation, much as Epstein did.

              Or you already have compromising material on the person (in the past this was commonly images of the individual in an intimate position with a person or people, often of the same gender when that was a crime in their home nation) which they wouldn't want to be released to the public or to their bosses in the intelligence services etc.

              Whilst these situations were often fabricated by the opposing intelligence services they could also be from past history which the services had obtained for their use when the target became a, well, target.

        2. Not Yb Bronze badge

          Re: "searching social media for "personalities" like Mr. Texeira's,"

          Compromise in this case doesn't mean "picking something neither side likes, but is acceptable enough to both". https://news.clearancejobs.com/2019/08/02/want-to-fight-insider-threats-just-look-for-the-mice/

          1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
            Unhappy

            For those interested in the background to the "Nazism" strawman...

            Le Monde lays it out here

            Turns out context context does matter.

            It is particularly rich given the source of the resolution, and the fact that Wagner Groups recruitment process exactly matched a specific SS Unit. here*

            And remember in the interests of good web hygiene, do not feed the trolls.

            *You might find their name amusing. Their deeds not so much.

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Re: For those interested in the background to the "Nazism" strawman...

              Le Monde lays it out here

              Turns out context context does matter.

              Indeed. So-

              As it has every year since 2012, on Friday, November 4, the Russian Federation submitted a draft resolution before the United Nations (UN) General Assembly

              A resolution that pre-dated Ukraine using its far-right nutjobs as muscle for the 2014 coup, and the SMO. And western media had been reporting about the rise of far-right and neo-nazi groups in Ukraine (and Russia, Scandanavia. And post-coup, proscribing Ukrainian groups like Azov, who proudly wore the insignia used by the 2nd SS Panzer Division (their wolfsangel), and a very specific version of the 'black sun' emblem commisioned for the SS's Wewelsburg castle mosaic. But they're not nazis, they're 'patriots'.

              And.. oh, Canada. Not so long ago, rather embarrassed by their MPs giving a standing ovation to a 'hero' that had fought agains Russia during WW2. Now Canada is being pressured to release the names of 900 possible nazi war criminals that fled to Canada and settled there-

              https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/canada-s-secret-list-of-alleged-nazi-war-criminals-transcript-1.7383137

              But last week, the Canadian government shut down an access to information request for it, saying that it could be harmful to Canadian interests and international relations. Jaime Kirzner-Roberts is the policy and advocacy director for the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center. They've been fighting to get these names released for decades.

              Yes, that could be embarrassing for Canada, but it happened.

              It is particularly rich given the source of the resolution, and the fact that Wagner Groups recruitment process exactly matched a specific SS Unit. here*

              Yep. Russia proposed a resolution condemning nazis, neo-nazis, and assorted extremists. The West voted against it because our 'leaders' hatred of Russia and unquestioning support for Ukraine trumps common sense. So now Russia can spin the countries that voted against the resolution as condoning the behaviours the resolution was condemning. They could have abstained, but nope. As for Dirlewanger, you missed this bit-

              In January 1942, to rebuild its strength, the unit was authorised to recruit Russian and Ukrainian volunteers.

              And the image shown in this link-

              https://asiatimes.com/2022/12/wwiis-nazi-ghosts-haunt-and-torment-ukraine/

              “Nowadays in Ukraine, the veterans of [the Ukrainian SS division] are viewed as patriots,” said Nash. Displays of insignia are “a sign of respect for these Ukrainian ‘patriots’ as it might be for the Waffen-SS in general, which still has the reputation of being one of the most effective military forces in history.”

              Showing a Ukrainian soldier sporting the crossed grenade Dirlewanger patch. And you overlook that Ukraine also released and recruited prisoners when the SMO started. Or just the power the Banderites have in Ukraine, along with the 'slava' thing that was used during Ukraine's massacres of Poles, Jews, Slavs and other desireables. And you ignore-

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharakternyky_Battalion

              At the beginning of July 2024 reports of the "Kharakternyky" Ukrainian convicts battalion started to appear.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shkval_Battalion

              In September 2024, the battalion told reporters that they are making legal requests in order to allow more murderers of various degrees to join their ranks.. Another Ukrainian officer claimed in a post on Telegram that the battalion had been thrown into assaults with no professional military training and no coordination with the other units which resulted in heavy losses.

              It really is rather depressing the way that history is repeating itself. But going further back-

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Executive

              The organisation was prepared to ignore almost any contemporary social convention in its fight against the Axis. It employed known homosexuals, people with criminal records (some of whom taught skills such as picking locks),

              Which included one of my relatives, who used to get in trouble for a spot of poaching. The government and SOE leadership recognised that good poachers had the skillset needed to do the sneaky stuff that the SOE got up to during the war. And he taught me a lot about hunting and fieldcraft, but sadly I couldn't persuade him to write about his SOE days before he passed, and he very rarely spoke about them. But luckily the SOE also wasn't lead by an utter psychopath like Dirlewanger.

              And remember in the interests of good web hygiene, do not feed the trolls.

              Yep, especially trolls that clearly have no idea what they're writing about. Russia bad! Banderites good!

  4. Don Bannister

    Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

    "After settling into his role, he began to look at material above his intelligence classification grade and then shared it via the chat app"

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

      "After settling into his role, he began to look at material above his intelligence classification grade and then shared it via the chat app"

      You'd think there would be a serious air-gap and any keywords/phrases showing up on SM would be flagged. I suspect that some intelligence is salted for just that reason.

      1. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

        Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

        There probably was/is an air gap. After looking at interesting things, from TFA, he wrote them down. Later he printed them - presumably all inside a secure network.

        Why the computer would show him things above his classification level is a significant question.

        1. collinsl Silver badge

          Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

          IIRC he also "smuggled" in (I.E. they were in his pocket) personal USB sticks to use to download the data to.

        2. collinsl Silver badge

          Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

          > Why the computer would show him things above his classification level is a significant question.

          I'm sure they're investigating it/have investigated it but from reports there seems to have been a lack of enforcement around information security - they appear to have taken the view that "the system is airgapped and we trust the people accessing it, therefore we're OK" which is very naïve and has bitten them right in the bum on numerous occasions.

        3. MachDiamond Silver badge

          Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

          "There probably was/is an air gap."

          The ability of somebody to enter and exit with a thumb drive bridges that gap.

          Maybe those people should work in a biohazard-like tank where they change into bunny suits on the way in and are scanned and de-conned on the way out where they can change back into civvies. I have to go through TSA level scanning when I go to the county headquarters to pay my property tax where upon I interact with them on the other side of bullet-resistant glass and coded access doors. I would think it would be more efficient to have a non-secure portal in the building where I can walk in and easily leave my money (and get a receipt). I suppose coveted ground floor space is reserved for special people so have to take the lift to where I can empty what's left of my bank account.

    2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      WTF?

      Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

      Indeed.

      A layman like myself might thing that was the point of having a "classification system"* in the first place.

      Clearly US security folk use a different English dictionary than mine.

      * And that a classified documents management system would enforce such restrictions.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

        In a country where you can declassify national secrets by just thinking "declassified" it's pretty obvious that the classification system is a joke

    3. Spazturtle Silver badge

      Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

      He was part of the IT team managing the crypto systems used to store the data, since he had access to the system and the crypto keys he would have been able to access all the data stored.

      1. LogicGate Silver badge

        Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

        Yes, but what was this information doing in Otis Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts in the first place?

        Information that is deemed secret should only be distributed on a Need to Know basis. Why must an Air national Guard base know sensitive information about losses in Ukraine? Do they decide on US foreign policy?

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

          Information that is deemed secret should only be distributed on a Need to Know basis. Why must an Air national Guard base know sensitive information about losses in Ukraine? Do they decide on US foreign policy?

          From memory, the Ukraine stuff was from a regular briefing doc giving a sitrep regarding Ukraine. Some new sites published parts of it, and one that stuck in my mind was it included a weather report and forecast. That's relevant to USAF if they're flying drones, or updating plans to intervene. But per wiki, Otis does this-

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_Intelligence_Squadron

          So would have access to sensitive stuff. But then why this airman had access to data classified above their clearance level is a good question, along with why accesses didn't raise alarm bells. Especially after assorted other intelligence leaks. It seems odd that decades after things like document security and access permissions became a thing in software, stories like this keep happening. I would have thought that if the airman was only cleared to Secret, they'd either not be able to open a Top Secret file, or just see garbage because it's encrypted to a level they don't have access to.

      2. ChrisC Silver badge

        Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

        This begs the follow-on question - assuming there's a good reason why people on that team might need access to all the things required to decrypt material for which they don't have clearance to read themselves, then why does it sound as if there wasn't then any monitoring of their actions such that any unusual behaviour (e.g. decrypting a file that they hadn't been tasked to work on for someone else) would have been immediately flagged up for investigation?

    4. Bebu sa Ware
      Holmes

      Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

      You would have thought so given the Bell LaPadua model is so beloved of would be spooks in the ITSec game.

      "A subject at a given security level may not read an object at a higher security level."

      But then military intelligence always was a contradiction in terms, or more generously an oxymoron but this chap clearly a moron of the unadulterated variety.

      I was thinking if the information were stored on a Multics system by default he would not have access to segments in more privileged rings. You have to wonder how they got some of this stuff right yonks ago yet today our systems are a security nightmare.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: Surely that shouldn't be possible ?

        I was thinking if the information were stored on a Multics system by default he would not have access to segments in more privileged rings. You have to wonder how they got some of this stuff right yonks ago yet today our systems are a security nightmare.

        Back in the dim & distant past there was OSI, and the X. model. So-

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.500

        Which had a nice trust model, ie if your X.509 certificate had the appropriate permissions to access the resource, you could. But that required networks and servers to support X.500, which vendors like MS didn't, so DAP became LDAP and all the insecurity we came to know and love today. Some users did persist instead of dumping X.500 on the 'too hard/too complex' pile, and I haven't seen any reports of those being compromised. And then there was good'ol IBM and RACF, who pioneered a whole lot of 'cloud computing' and security, but somehow managed to miss the boat with 'secure networking' clients who get compromised on an almost weekly basis.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Eugenics, mass murder, total lack of respect for national security, document classification and boasting to feed his own ego, he's going to find it hard to get that fake tan topped up in prison.

    And so will Texeira.

  6. Lazlo Woodbine Silver badge

    If he's 22 now, back in 2019 he was 17.

    Personally, I wouldn't trust a 17-year-old with my house keys, never mind state secrets...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I was 14 when I first signed the Official Secrets Act to perform some work.

      It is about sensibility and good morals, not about age.

      Anon. Because the above could be an official secret. I know that a persons security clearance level is an official secret, but then I see it all over CV's.

      "I have SC clearance" = CV thrown out

      "I have a record of having achieved the criteria required for SC clearance" = CV read in full

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        They clearly shouldn't have let you sign the Official Secrets Act.

        1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

          Meh. Security theatre.

          Everyone is bound by it, whether they've signed it or not, and ignorance of the law is no excuse.

        2. collinsl Silver badge

          There's no such thing as "signing the official secrets act" - you sign to say you acknowledge that you are already bound by the law, so that in any subsequent court actions you can't say you were ignorant of the fact that you were covered by it.

          Everyone is covered by it anyway, regardless of whether or not you've signed the form, this is just to ensure that people really know that it applies to them personally and what they are legally required to do and not do around it.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    'culling the weak minded'

    He's lucky not to have threats against a Presidential candidate added to his charges.

    1. Paul Herber Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: 'culling the weak minded'

      Someone has to say it ...

      They'd be trumped up charges.

  8. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    "He's lucky not to have threats against a Presidential candidate added to his charges."

    True.

    The Rapist-in-chief, like all "Strong men" cannot in fact bear the idea of anyone belittling him in any way, shape or form.

    Naturally I'm sure he'd be the first to say his words do not apply to the great-and-glorius-king-president, who he probably voted for, if he wasn't in jail of course.

  9. david 12 Silver badge

    Well, that's fixed it.

    15 years in jail, plus 3 years supervised release.

    That's fixed the security problem. Nothing to see here.

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