back to article Intel losses hit $16.6B in Q3 and Wall Street is … loving it?

Intel posted a $16.6 billion loss in the third quarter – the largest in the silicon veteran's history – as it booked more than $18 billion in restructuring and impairment related charges. While the loss was obviously not what Intel wanted, revenues for the quarter came in at the upper end of forecasts at $13.3 billion – up …

  1. Ace2 Silver badge

    Ever the optimist? No matter what happens he gets paid gazillions. I would be an optimist in that scenario, too.

    1. David Hicklin Bronze badge

      > Ever the optimist?

      Well if it was not for these charges they would have made a profit (?)

  2. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    Holy cow, that's a lot of money!

    1. UnknownUnknown

      I have no idea what ‘

      ‘The largest of the losses were instead driven by the decision to write off $9.9 billion worth of deferred tax assets accumulated over the past three years of losses, CFO David Zinsner explained.’

      Means ….Sounds like a load of incompetency and misconduct rolled up into a huge shit breakfast sandwich.

      1. RPF

        Yep, but the CFO keeps his job, while 15,000 get laid off. Standard corporate amorality.

      2. Mishak Silver badge

        Bean-counting

        AKA "creative accounting" - used to make the balance sheet look better.

      3. JWLong Silver badge

        Intel losses hit $16.6B in Q3 and Wall Street is … loving it?

        What I want to know is why you run a company into the ground and you get to write off your mismanagment against your taxes?

        Maybe it's time to go to a straight 10% across the board coporate tax and lose all these loopholes to tax writeoffs. You fuck up your company and you get to pay for it. The real tax payers are getting sick and tired of this shit.

  3. Hawkuletz
    Pint

    Typo? Beer-o-clock too close?

    "While the loss was obviously now what Intel wanted, revenues for the quarter came in at the upper end of forecasts at $13.3 billion – up four percent from last quarter, though still down six percent from last year."

    Was it now? Well, all good then!

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Meanwhile...

    this week El Fruity announced the M4 powered Mac's that according to early benchmarks are beasts even when crunching AI models.

    How much longer can Intel (and AMD ride the X86 bandwagon)

    It would be interesting to see what the performance is like if it was runnning native code and not X86 emulations in microcode.

    1. CGBS

      Re: Meanwhile...

      The fact of the matter is, was and will always be, no matter how good Apple hardware may or may not be at any given point in time, you are totally dependent on the Apple walled garden when you use their gear for anything. And to be blunt, when it comes to workstations and server, Macs can't compete with Threadripper, Epycs and Xeons. With CXL coming online, the memory situation will be getting even more lopsided and DPUs like Pensando will make the gulf even more extreme in terms of what you can bring to bear in terms of resources for Intel/AMD and Mac hardware. You can just plug in a few new GPUs in your Mac Pro, right? Unless of course Apple has a sudden and unexpected change of heart and allows anything to be plugged into those PCIe slots, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

      1. Mage Silver badge
        Windows

        Re: Meanwhile...

        Apple dropped "Computer" from the name and ditched the Apple Server years ago. They make the bulk of their money from Apps/iTunes, phones and tablets, not Macs and iMacs, though they have a big profit margin on the iMac and Mac too.

  5. CGBS

    As the Bible Tells US

    "And lo, though thou driveth a thing into the ground, with abandon and fury, ever thee shalt thy CEO worship and bonuses pay" -Bible 3:16 NKJV As quoted on Pat's Twitter.

  6. Numen

    If you're going to have a loss, clean out the cupboards

    A lot of companies are sitting on losses that they can defer almost indefinitely. But if you're going to have a loss anyway, you may as well get rid of that stuff all at once. That way you have one bad period, but all the skeletons in the closet are gone and won't haunt you in the future.

    As I was told as a beginning musician, If you make a mistake, make it loud and people will think it belongs. Similar concept; and then I can say I'll do better next time.

    1. CGBS

      Re: If you're going to have a loss, clean out the cupboards

      Unless you mean Pat himself, what would you suggest they get rid of? He has already lopped off many, if not most, of the non-core departments and the largest problems are the ones related to their main products as it is.

      1. O'Reg Inalsin

        Re: If you're going to have a loss, clean out the cupboards

        The biggest one is foundry, and It appears that foundry has been downsized, maybe even gutted, but not really spun-off. Neither keeping it at the previous level of investment nor gutting it is economically viable. There are good reasons for the US economy as whole to not gut it and keep it investing in R&D as a kind of insurance. That would be Uncle Sam's responsibility, but we all know its not very efficient - however that is all there is. So I would suggest actual separation of the foundry business.

  7. richard furze

    I have no idea what any of this means. This isn't real money, it's all made up by accountants , financial directors and economists.

    1. Marty McFly Silver badge
      Trollface

      Okay, I'll bite. Since accountants, financial directors, and economists have been eliminated from this thought exercise.... What pray tell do you define as "real money"?

    2. Ace2 Silver badge

      A deferred tax asset (I think!) is when you pay taxes up front on something (like, say, stock options) that turn out to be worth less when you sell them. Your actual tax owed is less than what you already paid.

      They don’t give you your money back. Instead you get to carry that on your books to cancel out part of the future tax you owe, over multiple years.

      Eventually, if you haven’t owed any tax because you’ve been losing money consistently, you lose the ability to claim it back. Hence the write-down.

      I am happy to be corrected if this is wrong.

  8. Greg 38

    chipzilla no more

    I think it's time for the Reg to crown TSMC with the Chipzilla moniker

    1. cyberdemon Silver badge
      Go

      Re: chipzilla no more

      Chipsaurus?

      Chiplodocus?

  9. Kev99 Silver badge

    Real cash money loss? Or just the result of FASB accounting shenanigans that have little to do with reality?

  10. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

    "Wall Street" is the biggest collection of con-men and gamblers on the planet, not one of which has a real job, but makes their money by draining the pocketbooks of the people who do the actual work.

  11. Missing Semicolon Silver badge

    Basically, if you don't invest in the future for a decade

    .. you get to do it all in one go.

  12. MacDBB

    "Jam tomorrow" ... the markets love this kind of stuff.

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