back to article Five Eyes nations tell tech startups to take infosec seriously. Again

Cyber security agencies from the Five Eyes nations have delivered on a promise to offer tech startups more guidance on how to stay secure. The Five Eyes nations – Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the UK and US – are best known for their unusually close intelligence-sharing arrangements and joint commitments to defend each other …

  1. Guy de Loimbard Silver badge
    Facepalm

    As long as security is

    Playing second fiddle in the business it will often be overlooked.

    In my experience to date, Security is seen as a cost centre and is reluctantly funded in some organisations, in others, it's front and centre and is well funded and invested in as business leaders see the indirect benefits.

    To be fair, the guidance is a solid place to start, but the messaging is often not getting through.

    If you're going hell for leather in the tech space, security is not the first thing that is being considered.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Five Eyes

    The Physical eye, the Heavenly eye, the Wisdom eye, the Dharma eye, and the Buddha eye. Right?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Five Eyes

      No, it's an organism with five eyes, one head and half a brain.

      1. Mentat74
        Trollface

        Re: Five Eyes

        Does this organism's head happen to reside in it's rectum ?

  3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Again

    Given that Barnum's rule applies to startups more or less by definition then such advice will have to me offered again and again.

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: Again

      By Barnum's Rule, do you actually mean Hannum's Observation or the Forer Effect?

      Both seem to be integral to any modern startup, so ...

  4. Mister Jones

    ...So Seriously That GCHQ Can't Pay A Decent Wage......

    See: https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/29/gchq_needs_advanced_cybersecurity_professionals/

    Yup.....HMG can face both ways at once!!! Even with different folk in charge in SW1!!

    Why am I not surprised????

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: ...So Seriously That GCHQ Can't Pay A Decent Wage......

      So if they can't pay presumably they can't recruit people to spy on the startups.

  5. Bebu
    Big Brother

    The Subtle Art of Not Trying Too Hard?

    From what I have seen of most startups' dismal "products" I wouldn't be too averse to my adversaries drinking their fill from those poisoned chalices. Clownstrike not so long ago a startup and at the "quality" end of spectrum and in the infosec space - what hope for the rest of the circus?

    At best I suspect it would be lipstick on a pig. Even if a startup finagles ISO 27000 accreditation I would not read to much into that as it often doesn't translate to any practical l long term security improvement.

    To be honest most startups can barely be distinguished from old school cons - the "founders" from the outset being focused on the "exit" phase (where they a take their loot and toddle off to their next con startup.) I cannot imagine security being front and centre in their thinking or even on the horizon.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Needs penalties

    So it's all well and good to say "we need to write secure stuff"

    Yep, I certainly agree.

    However, as everyone above has commented, security costs expertise, time, and money, and nobody gives a shit anyway.

    So until people start getting fined or going to jail when they get hacked, or their products let other people get hacked, nothing is going to happen.

    And I mean meaningful fines., not $5,000 here or $10,000 there.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Needs penalties

      Security will be ignored until it's an existential risk not to.

      Imprisoning the CEO and board members would probably be sufficient, and has the excellent bonus of improving the bottom line.

  7. Denarius
    Coffee/keyboard

    Thank $DEITY I had put my coffee down out of reach or a new keyboard and screen wipe would be needed. For OZ, a placemat is a brilliant put down for this whole sorry cancerous growth of bureaucrats. With Oz getting a CDC, the next flu outbreak will probably have armed guards at all highway on ramps screaming "Papers, papers schnell"

    As for security in software, not a hope until companies acts are rewritten so CEOS, boards and directors feel financial pain for stupidity or illegailty, before the shareholders.

  8. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Something to consider is Catch 22 ... when invest, invest, invest is your mantra

    Successfully securing your sensitive IP against second and third party phishing/theft leaves government funding streams/grants/investments practically impossible to justify one being given access to, even whenever the secure assets are exactly what is needed for good government.

    And that particular peculiar difficulty arises because of the certain desire in officialdom to covet and personally selfishly profit inordinately from such as is privileged private intellectual property.

    Thus does the secure entrepreneurial private sector lead the clueless public sector down the perfumed garden path of an individual's choosing irrespective of any second or third party wishes.

    Do you recognise or deny that as the means by which your current prevailing virtual realities are sourced to be presented to you by media and publishing as the future to accept to live in?

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: Something to consider is Catch 22 ... when invest, invest, invest is your mantra

      Take care if you dare to win win against unknown unknown forces and sources au fait and comfortably at ease with almighty exercise in all of the above, for knowing how that is realised is far too dangerous to know and survive without also knowing how to ensure it is never practised by those unworthy.

      Capiche?.. Verstehen Sie? ... Begrijp je? ... Вы понимаете? ... 你明白吗? ...هل تفهم؟

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