back to article Keir Starmer tells regulators to chill as Microsoft exec takes wheel of advisory council

UK prime minister Keir Starmer promised to make the nation's competition regulator more inclined toward economic growth the day after a Microsoft executive was appointed chair of the government's Industrial Strategy Advisory Council. At the UK's International Investment Summit, attended by Google owner Alphabet, insurance …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Regulatory Capture

    All your Cabinet Ministers are belong to M$FT.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge
      Pirate

      Re: Regulatory Capture

      The first and most important item on the agenda, throughout the whole of the UK government from central down to local, will be replacing ODF with OOXML.

    2. Jedit Silver badge
      Stop

      "All your Cabinet Ministers are belong to M$FT."

      That's not true at all. Wes Streeting, for example, belongs to the private health care industry.

      1. Roj Blake Silver badge

        Re: "All your Cabinet Ministers are belong to M$FT."

        I see that a day after meeting the CEO of weight loss drug manufacturer Eli Lilly, Streeting is suggesting that unemployed people be given weight loss drugs to get them back into work.

        Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

        1. navarac Silver badge

          Re: "All your Cabinet Ministers are belong to M$FT."

          Meanwhile, Diabetics cannot get it for love or money.

          1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

            Re: "All your Cabinet Ministers are belong to M$FT."

            Meanwhile, Diabetics cannot get it for love or money

            Yup.

            I'd be on it now (25+ years of being T2 diabetic and the regular stuff is losing effectiveness) but my GP can't be assured of continuity of supply.

            In his words: "it's all going to the people that don't medically need it but can afford it rather than to the people that *actually* need it"

    3. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: Regulatory Capture

      Then they will mandate that every one HAS to use Windows 11 if they want to do any business online with the Government. The systems will detect refuzniks and make sure that all requests are refused or simply ignored as not conforming to government standards which naturally will require 'Top Secret' security clearance to read in its entirety. Said standards will be stored at GCHQ in a sharepoint system.

      This will not end well.

      1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

        Re: This will not end well

        Apparently, in the UK, it never does.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Regulatory Capture

      All your Cabinet Ministers are belong to M$FT.

      Another clownstroke?

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Regulatory Capture

      All your Cabinet Ministers are belong to M$FT.

      Makes a change from Oracle.

  2. abend0c4 Silver badge

    We will rip out the bureaucracy

    Not that old chestnut again. It'll be National Service next.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: We will rip out the bureaucracy

      45 years of ripping out bureaucracy doesn't appear to be the answer, given the current state of the UK.

      1. cyberdemon Silver badge

        Re: We will rip out the bureaucracy

        Isn't that the brief of the Department of Administrative Affairs?

        We'll get rid of all this excessive bureaucracy, by forming a new government department, tasked with finding all the cruft in all the other departments and er, weeding it out, with a broken toothpick

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: We will rip out the bureaucracy

      As well as "reforming the NHS".

      I think that's been on every election manifesto since the NHS was founded.

      1. LybsterRoy Silver badge

        Re: We will rip out the bureaucracy

        I think the government need to take a lesson from P&O as far as the NHS is concerned. Fire everyone and then re-hire the medical staff and useful admin staff leaving the bureaucrats standing in the rain getting cold.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: We will rip out the bureaucracy

          >I think the government need to take a lesson from P&O as far as the NHS is concerned. Fire everyone and then re-hire the medical staff and useful admin staff leaving the bureaucrats standing in the rain getting cold.

          Which would then leave the medical staff doing the bureaucratery and spending less time doing medical stuff. The bureaucrats are usually there for a reason....

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: We will rip out the bureaucracy

            A large number of the current bureaucrats are there as a result of the previous government's way of "improving" the NHS, which means more admin overhead for everyone, as we all know what happens when there's too many managers, and not enough workers or resources.

          2. Plest Silver badge

            Re: We will rip out the bureaucracy

            "re-hire the medical staff and useful admin staff"

            You did see this in the OP right? Everyone knows you need admin staff or no has any equipment and patients don't get where they're supposed to be to meet with medical staff at the right time, we don't need a load of overpaid admin consultants wasting tax payers money implementing schemes and projects simply to justify their £125k pay packets!

    3. Bebu
      Windows

      Re: We will rip out the bureaucracy

      It'll be National Service next.

      Giving a whole lot, indeed a whole generation, of seriously pissed off young people guns, military drones, artillery etc etc and training them to use the stuff might not turn out quite as envisaged. But please don't let me dissuade anyone.

      1. LybsterRoy Silver badge

        Re: We will rip out the bureaucracy

        That sounds like they get to keep the guns when their National Service is over. FUN!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: We will rip out the bureaucracy

        On the upside if they get the proper training then when they get back to civvy street at least they'll only shoot each other, most likley hit each other and not innocent bystanders!

        Seriously, given how weak and feckless the current woke generations are, I think a mandatory year in the army or two years in the civil service would give a lot of young people a good kick up the arse. My nephew is a waste of space, studied a CS degree at uni which finished in 2015 and he hasn't done a day's work since, sits around at home all day while his mum fusses over him!

  3. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Wrong

    What could go wrong, eh?

  4. seldom

    Mr. Fox

    In other news, the government has adopted Mr. Fox's new henhouse design. In order to promote efficiency, economy and inclusiveness the new design removes fencing and includes an accessability portal in place of a door.

    1. steelpillow Silver badge

      Re: Mr. Fox

      In order to prevent abuse by all those naughty rats, weasels, stoats and escaped mink, a law will be passed to mandate an approved-standard sack diverter mechanism installed over the portal. The standard will incorporate Mr Fox's patent mechanism for preventing any sacks other than his own from being taken in there. The sack diverter will remain Mr. Fox's own property, with the annual rental, license and support fees being, in his words, "Very reasonable and sustainable."

  5. ComputerSays_noAbsolutelyNo Silver badge
    Joke

    The blue background of the Union Jack will be replaced by a BSOD

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Or, on a monthly basis, the BSoPtCW

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Sorry the what ?.. Google only gave me some Indian Power company,.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I always find it rather fascinating when governments talk of reducing regulations or as they like to put it "cutting red tape". Why did we put these regulations in in the first place? Did we do it for fun? Shits and giggles? It's a complete mystery.

    1. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge
      Happy

      I would refer you to the highly factual documentaries "Yes, Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister" which give very accurate accounts of government and civil service thinking on such matters

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        The joke is that there is more truth in the on-going jokes in YM & YPM than anyone would like to admit.

        The civil service prime directive is to perpetuate the *need* for the civil service.

        Each new govt gives the opportunity to *prove* this to a set of new MP's.

        Govts change *but* the civil service goes on for ever !!!

        :)

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          The hard-copy versions are well worth reading, written as if they were the academically edited diaries of Jim Hacker they provide footnotes giving chapter and verse on some of this.

        2. Handy Plough

          Don't want to bring up the "B" word, but I tried explaining the notion that "unelected officials" is exactly how government works in the UK. It seems a large portion of the country is under the assumption that governments make laws and decisions. The Civil Service is very good at perpetuating that myth, to be fair...

          1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

            There's an advantage in having someone who knows what they're doing making the actual decisions.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              "... someone who knows what they're doing ..."

              There are 'galactic scale' assumptions being made *IF* that is refering to the Civil Service !!!

              Recent example to ponder ... HS2 ... say no more !!!

              A text book example of how *NOT* to perform a major infastructure project and that is ignoring the whole concept as an idea to begin with !!!

              The gain/cost ratio (real not imagined) is so skewed towards Zero to be almost indistinguishable.

              The country will be paying for this for decades to come. !!!

              Yet despite the huge cost, it would appear that the govt will spend a *little* [Ha!!!] bit more to give Euston Station a quick refurb to allow HS2 to end there which the rest of the country, of course, thinks is MUCH more important that modernising the Trains north of Watford/Manchester/Preston/etc/etc. !!!

              :)

              1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

                The high level decisions are made by the politicians and we've had a long run of advanced Dunning-Kruger syndrome there. HS2 was, I realised when it was proposed, a solution to today's problem in a few decades time. Detailed regulation, OTOH, quite often comes from someone in the Civil Service or an agency who actually does know about the domain. There are obviously exceptions: I formed the view in about 1967 that the Ministry of Labour as I think it then was ran the forerunners of Job Centres staffed all too often by people who were on the wrong side of the counter and subsequent contact with their DWP successors at a higher level did not inspired a revision.

            2. Guy de Loimbard Bronze badge

              Steady on now my dear chap! Someone in a post where they have actually got some experience and knowledge?

              Whatever next?

          2. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge

            It seems a large portion of the country is under the assumption that governments make laws and decisions. The Civil Service is very good at perpetuating that myth, to be fair.

            I believe that Sir Humphrey said something along the lines of government believing that they made decisions, and the civil service's job was to keep up that impression whilst preventing them from actually doing anything.

    2. alain williams Silver badge

      A lack of regulation was one of the factors behind the Grenfell Tower disaster.

      The watering down of financial regulation led to the 2008 bank crash.

      So the government is ignoring history to make a quick buck in its term in office but storing up potential liabilities in the longer term future.

      Why do we end up with monkeys like this ? Not that the Tories would be any better.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        We need to replace the recklessly free-market capitalism of Labour and return to the centrally planned economy and nanny state protectionism of the tories

        1. anonymous cat herder

          I remember when we used to say that the other way round. Ahh, happy days, things were always better in the past.

          1. Tilda Rice

            Yup - all mainstream parties are controlled by the globalists/US ie the people with the billions behind the charlies like 2 tier Kier who stand and spout waffle in front of lecterns.

            Puppets.

            We the people having our rights slowly chipped away at.

            1. ecofeco Silver badge
              Big Brother

              Got some bad news for you. You're rights have been gone for decades.

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              The use of the word mainstream was superfluous.

              Reform, who claim to be not controlled by the globalists, are in hock with think tanks funded by the certainly not global Exxon Mobil and British Tobacco. This explains their stance on global warming and tobacco regulation.

      2. PCScreenOnly

        Bad regulation and companies skipping what was there by saying "of course it's fire proof" when they have evidence it catches fire like dry paper and no one checking

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          IIRC the manufacturer listed the fire rating and instructed it wasn't to be installed in multi-family

          The government responsible for regulation went 'yeah but it's cheap'

          1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

            Local or central government?

          2. Richard 12 Silver badge

            Nope, the manufacturer provided the fire rating of an entirely different product.

            The one that got installed failed an internal test in a completely horrific way, but that result was buried and only came out during the inquiry.

            They aren't the only organisation that needs to be in the dock though.

      3. LybsterRoy Silver badge

        I would like to point out that there is a massive difference between regulation and red tape/bureaucracy. Its a bit like the difference between useful admin and bureaucracy.

      4. Plest Silver badge

        "The watering down of financial regulation led to the 2008 bank crash."

        My understanding was that it was all above board, but bellend equity players played pass-the-parcel with a nuclear shit-ton of mega-debt and that was never going to end well, it was going to go bang sooner or later.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          >bellend equity players played pass-the-parcel with a nuclear shit-ton of mega-debt

          I think that describes the global financial system since the 17th Century

        2. Roland6 Silver badge

          Of cause it was above board, the relaxed regulations didn’t prohibit the practises that resulted in high risk loans getting a AAA investment rating…

    3. Willy Ekerslike

      Hystery

      A theory I've put forward elsewhere (professionally) is that we are doomed to repeat our mistakes every 10-20 years. We find ways to improve on processes and implement them without finding out why those processes are like that. A basic rule for engineering change is to return to the originator (insofar as is possible) before making changes.

      Often, what is now seen as wasteful or inefficient (a safety mechanism, for want of a better term) was implemented to avoid earlier, and costly, mistakes being repeated. However, because it works, those now in power have not had to experience that costly mistake being repeated. So the "inefficient" safety mechanism is removed...

      In business, the cycle I've seen is around 10-15 years, and I attribute that to the time somebody remains in a particular post as around 5 years. When they hand over to their successor(s), they will identify their successful interventions and the next generation will know to leave the "safety mechanisms" alone. Unfortunately, when *they* subsequently move on, they won't have sufficient ownership of them to highlight to the next generation. Corporate knowledge management being what it is (almost non-existent in any really useful form) rarely intervenes. It's not an exact science and it might need further generation or two before the situation comes back to bite - but few fixes are left to stay fixed.

      When I originally wrote about it, many years ago, I coined the term "hystery" - a bastardisation of hysteresis and history (it seemed logical at the time :)

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Hystery

        I've long been of the view that when a process is devised and written down the rationale should be written down with it. It not only keeps that corporate knowledge from being lost, it also underlines the need for revising the process when the circumstances on which the rationale is predicated change.

        1. Willy Ekerslike

          Re: Hystery

          Dr S, I’ve seen that approach taken (even used it myself) but it rarely works much better. I’ve investigated problems, only to discover something like this had been done, and then be discounted several years later with the rationale that the original problem had gone away. It takes a lot to persuade the gatekeeper (or high heid yins, or powers that be) to block a “well argued” cost saving because of the risk of something that hasn’t yet happened under their watch.

          It often comes down to a poor understanding of risk; statistics is a classic example for demonstrating the Dunning-Kruger effect.

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Hystery

        "A theory I've put forward elsewhere (professionally) is that we are doomed to repeat our mistakes every 10-20 years."

        Having been with my current employer over 20 years, I've seen and experienced it multiple times, especially when outside consultants are brought in. Despite employees like me pointing out the inevitable and getting to say "I told you so" afterwards :-/

  7. Howard Sway Silver badge

    a Microsoft executive was appointed chair of the government's Industrial Strategy Advisory Council

    I wonder if the advice is going to say that all of government and business should move all their IT to cloud services such as Azure and Office 365 by some absolutely massive fucking coincidence.

  8. Tubz Silver badge

    Sellout Starmer at his best, wonder if he got a few freebie copies of Windows 11 and Microsoft 365 to grease the wheels?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      As some kind of perverse punishment?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        He'd probably enjoy perverse punishment.

        1. K555

          What's his equivalent to a pig's head?

  9. Rich 2 Silver badge

    Yay!!!

    It’s good to see that the good ol’ British government is as incompetent and self-serving as ever. I was getting worried for a while there

  10. heyrick Silver badge

    How is this not a conflict of interest?

    1. abend0c4 Silver badge

      Conflicts of interest can be hard to spot when you're using someone else's glasses.

    2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      It's very important that advisory bodies have nobody on them involved with the industry.

      It's why English National Opera advise on air traffic control systems

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        "Involved with" and !vested interest" are not only not the same thing. The difference matters.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          The important bit is "advisory". The industry wants more $$$ and less rules, they advise you of this - you tell them where to stick it

          1. heyrick Silver badge

            "The important bit is "advisory"."

            Look how well that worked for a certain referendum...

    3. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      How is this not a conflict of interest?

      Oh - Governments don't worry about trivia like that. That sort of stuff is for the Little People..

  11. Someone Else Silver badge

    Ghost writer?

    "We will rip out the bureaucracy that blocks investment," [Starmer] said. "We will march through the institutions and we will make sure that every regulator in this country – especially our economic and competition regulators – takes growth as seriously as this room does."

    What, did tRump write this? All that's missing is a few words in ALL CAPS.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Ghost writer?

      They are introducing a regulatory oversight body which will review and consider all regulations.

      The remit and regulatory framework of this new regulatory oversight agency will be determined by a super-regulatory super-agency which will be created by ....

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    From Captain Hindsight to Captain Hapless is record time.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      The CPS's reputation at the time he was in charge there was an indication of how it might go. OTOH his predecessor in the party would undoubtedly have been worse.

  13. ecofeco Silver badge
    Pirate

    Welp

    You're boned.

  14. harrys

    mr boring pragmatic middle manager....

    looks around for a sales type guy with pedigree (above all a good contacts list)....

    successfully manages to hire a greedy shite to deal with greedy shites :)

    a mr nice guy/gal ... wud get eaten alive!

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Bureaucracy blocking IT investments? That would be the lack of large power supply connection points, and yet more telecomms fibres?

    I would suggest outfits like OpenReach are both part of the problem and the solution; their problems, are the IT sectors problems?

    Labour's plans for the power sector are clear as mud, and in our local experience the old guard of Tory appointees at the top of Of* are still there, clueless, and doing more to create problems for utilities than solve them.

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      > the old guard of Tory appointees at the top of Of* are still there

      And are most probably the most opposed to change etc.and using the regulations to support their cause, whilst telling everyone else there is too much red tape and regulation…

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Kier is just another tory

    Makes Jeremy look much better eh? Imagine if someone with actual socialist principles was in Kier's position. Then you'd get change.

    None of you want actual change 'cos you're on the right side of the poverty divide.

    You bitch and moan about the government but when you had a chance to actually do something different you bottled.

    In a democracy we get the government we deserve.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Kier is just another tory

      100% agree. Tory-lite is still tory. There's time yet for Kier to make the tough decisions and, let's be honest, until we see the content of the budget at the end of the month we won't really know how much of a change he is willing to attempt.

      Seeing Truss destroyed for messing with things "the finance sector said she shouldn't mess with" is I am sure, as much of a concern to Kier and his job security as it should have been for the lettuce.

      Another 4-5 years of failure and the popularity of the "extremes" will only rise even more, and that scares the crap out of me with Reform being what it is. It should be scaring everyone else too.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Kier is just another tory

      "You bitch and moan about the government but when you had a chance to actually do something different you bottled."

      You think "we" should have voted Tory? Or Lib Dem? Or for Farages outfit? Or are you saying "we" are to blame for Labour ousting Corbyn? I genuinely don't understand what you think "we" should have done. Care to elaborate?

  17. s. pam
    FAIL

    eGov BSOD anyone?

    after all, the home of viruses and all things privacy compromising wouldn't ever bring something bad to our table, would they?

  18. Dave Null

    Less regulation - relating to SMR power for DCs?

    I wonder if part of the "less regulation" approach, rather than being aimed at things like less AI regulation, might include making it easier for private SMR nuclear power for DCs. Currently I'm unclear on what the regs are around this and MS, Google and AWS have all expressed intent to power DCs with SMRs. After a chat with a friend who works on these for a major engineering firm current regs are fairly unclear on how these could be legally deployed by private companies and where.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      Re: Less regulation - relating to SMR power for DCs?

      The regs were written assuming nobody would be daft enough to deploy SMRs outside of the underwater boats and floating landing strips where proper reactors don't fit.

      So it's not exactly surprising.

  19. James Anderson Silver badge

    Possessed

    What really happened to the portrait of Thatcher. I think it may have been sacrificed in a ritual and Starmer is now possessed by the ghost of the Iron Lady. He sure sounds like her.

  20. Robert Grant

    > Competitors to Microsoft and Google might point out that UK regulators can also promote growth by curbing monopolies

    Generally the problem is regulations and other controls making market entry harder. Curbing monopolies directly is a massively bad idea except in extreme cases.

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