back to article Boeing again delays the 777X – the plane that's supposed to turn things around

Aerospace outfit Boeing has again delayed its 777X jet – a product on which it has hung all its hopes to help it turn around years of trouble – and warned of job cuts and further losses in its defence and space businesses. The bad news came in a Friday message from CEO Kelly Ortberg that revealed the 777X won't reach customers …

  1. hittitezombie
    Facepalm

    The CEO is a genius!

    Everything is delayed because of problems in the aircraft? Fire 10 thousand people so that the remaining can achieve even less, working too many hours and finally striking because of low pay and how they are treated.

    This plan cannot fail, he's a Trump-like genius!!!

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: The CEO is a genius!

      He's supposed to have an engineering background but it looks like the MBAs got to him.

      1. collinsl Silver badge

        Re: The CEO is a genius!

        The MBAs ruined McDonnell Douglas and then ruined Boeing when they did a "reverse takeover" when Boeing bought MD. The rot is now so prevalent that no one person can fix it.

        1. Snake Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: MD

          They're delaying the rollout because they need to remove the Kapton wiring, that MD execs seem to love to use in their Christmas trees, from their airplanes.

    2. simonlb Silver badge

      Re: The CEO is a genius!

      Time to put engineers back in charge of all the various departments and have the bean counters forced to sit at the back of the room and STFU.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The CEO is a genius!

        Could reduce the number of bean counters instead. Surely they are the best people to see just how much that would save the company, no?

        I'm amazed they're not already packing.

        1. Sam not the Viking Silver badge

          Re: The CEO is a genius!

          That will never happen.

          It's always a bean counter who remains to turn the lights off.

          1. Snake Silver badge
            Devil

            Re: bean counter who remains

            Because they're like roaches, they stick in the cracks to avoid detection.

  2. Moldskred

    Call me unrefined, but I fail to see how firing 10% of the workforce will help with timely deliveries and a lack of attention to quality and safety.

    1. hittitezombie

      Just shows we're not CEO material.

    2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      He might as well say to Airbus

      Here you go. Have it all.

      Perhaps RyanAir will reconsider their move back to Boeing if their orders are pushed back to say... 2035 or beyond?

      Boeing has huge issues. one of those is re-absorbing 'Spirit Aviation' that builds all the 737 airframes. Quality control seems to have been made redundant by the bean counters.

      Never mind. If Trump wins in Nov, then he'll levy 200% (or more) tariffs on all Airbus models even those built in Alabama which he'll use a sharpie and put in Mexico.

      The US is doomed if he wins which seems likely at the moment.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: He might as well say to Airbus

        Never mind. If Trump wins in Nov, then he'll levy 200% (or more) tariffs on all Airbus models even those built in Alabama which he'll use a sharpie and put in Mexico.

        The US is doomed if he wins which seems likely at the moment.

        Paranoia, much? But my partner works for an Airbus supplier. They already have plans to set up manufacturing in the US, should the sanctions come to pass. So some work/jobs will move from the EU to the US, which is the intent behind MAGA. AFAIK most suppliers are doing the same thing because there's a big backlog of Airbus orders. With the delays from Boing, this may only help Airbus but mean the suppliers get even busier.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: He might as well say to Airbus

          Imagine requiring all flights between US destinations to be on US owned, built and crewed aircraft.

          It would cause huge financial hardship for UA destinations where everything has to be transported by air and lead to an increasingly unproductive US aircraft industry protected from competition

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: He might as well say to Airbus

            Imagine requiring all flights between US destinations to be on US owned, built and crewed aircraft.

            It'd be a lot like US cargo ships I guess. But not sure what your point is, other than perhaps having a vivid imagination?

            1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

              Re: He might as well say to Airbus

              Because the result of the Jones' act is not, as envisioned, that the US ship building industry bestrides the globe as a colossus.

              It's that they can't dredge harbours because there aren't enough US dredgers, they can't ship rock salt to the NE in winter or hurricane relief to the south in summer because there aren't enough permitted ships.

              And the costs of living in Hawaii (and Puerto-Rico) are vastly increased because everything in the local Walmart costs 20x as much to ship from California than it did to ship to Ca from China.

          2. Andrew Scott Bronze badge

            Re: He might as well say to Airbus

            Jones act. already do that for ships.

        2. Tim13

          Re: He might as well say to Airbus

          The stable genius trarrif on washers cost the consumer 1.5b and created 1800 jobs = 800k per job.

          And dryers, where there was no tarrif increased price as well, bc consumers usally buy them together.

          https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/opinion/economy-trump-harris-america-president.html

          Ironic, that rich folks were less affected than the average Trump supporter.

      2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: He might as well say to Airbus

        "If Trump wins in Nov, then he'll levy 200% (or more) tariffs on all Airbus models"

        So how will Boeing cope with the retaliatory 200% levy in Europe?

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: He might as well say to Airbus

          Europe won't do that. They will see that it harms consumers and act like professionala

    3. MyffyW Silver badge

      I was similarly non-plussed. Clearly I lack the fine business acumen required to run a business that's too big to fail, right up to the point when it turns out failure actually is an option.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Welcome to fedgov, I see you have run a too-big-to-fail defense contractor into the ground

        Press 0 to receive direct government grant (we'll worry about the WTO later)

        Press 1 for a new infrastructure bill which will subsidise all companies that begin with B and sound like a cartoon noise

        Press 2 for a black-budget payment to develop some secret project that will never see the light of day

        Press 3 for a contract to renovate some fighters you made 50 years ago

        Press 4 for us to build you a new plant and new road system and a new port and exempt you from property and business taxes for 1000 years

        Press 5 for all of the above

    4. Gene Cash Silver badge

      The beatings will continue until morale improves.

    5. vtcodger Silver badge

      The problem ....

      Well there's not just one problem. There's a bunch. But two stand out.

      1. Boeing doesn't seem to have that much product on their cart that anyone wants to buy. And the thing people might want to buy is several years from starting production. (which will take quite a while to ramp up BTW). If they don't have and don't expect to have the orders, they don't need the people to produce the products they won't be making.

      2. The US economy is quietly resetting after a decade of easy money and easy credit. Boeing is far from the only company retrenching. Despite improbable promises from politicians, it's likely that some decline will continue, airline travel will fall off, and orders to aircraft makers in general for new aircraft will decline. Probable economic sloth in hardly a situation unique to Boeing or the US in general. China is, if anything, in worse shape.

      1. Like a badger Silver badge

        Re: The problem ....

        " Boeing doesn't seem to have that much product on their cart that anyone wants to buy."

        Not wishing to blow any trumpets for a company that's go so much wrong, but they've got an order backlog of over 6,000 aircraft, US airlines tend to favour Boeing, and the company has a circa 60% market share in wide-body aircraft. The mystery to me is how they can find 10k people to sack with a backlog of that size.

        1. vtcodger Silver badge

          Re: The problem ....

          "Boeing has 6000 orders ..."

          Yes, I should have checked that. OTOH, most of those 6000 orders are said to be for 737MAX. Most will be for delivery several/many years in the future and some of those orders will inevitably be cancelled, That happens even at the best of times. They are currently producing fewer than 500 737MAX a year with a goal of 600. It's going to take a while to make 3000+ aircraft at 500-600 a year.

          I doubt Boeing is laying off the actual production folk most of whom are probably union and currently out on strike. At least not for the product lines for which they have abundant orders. Nobody except Elon Musk -- whose thought processes seem opaque to us ordinary mortals -- does stuff like that.

          But it's a huge company and there's probably a significant amount of accumulated cruft in some of the departments.

          If there's one thing I learned in three decades in the aerospace industry, it is that occasional layoffs are a fact of life. As a coworker put it, "It's all day labor. If you want job security, go civil service."

          1. Robert Sneddon

            Re: The problem ....

            The 737MAX order book stretches into the 2030s for future deliveries thanks to buyers like South West Airlines that only operate 737-variant aircraft with an ageing fleet of over 750 planes in its current roster.

        2. Justthefacts Silver badge

          Re: The problem ....

          “Backlog” is a mythical number for *both* manufacturers. The combined backlog is about 13 years worth of manufacturing capability, and nobody seriously expects them all to be delivered. They aren’t really orders, just a place in the queue. Commercial terms are all a secret, so nobody outside Airbus/Boeing knows the real numbers. But I did take a bit of a look at this a while ago, and the one thing they can’t hide is the other side of the order transaction. You can look at the annual report of any of the large airlines making these “orders” at the time they make them - an airline making a $20bn order for something deliverable over the next ten years should be reporting *something* on its balance sheet, right? A deposit? Nope. None of them. Not a single dollar is being listed as having come out of cash when these huge orders are placed. Nor do they list any liability for if they had to cancel. It’s Memorandum of Understanding stuff, not a contracted order as any normal person would consider it.

          Just to take one example, one of the larger orders for Boeing 737Max is from LION Air (251 aircraft). LION Air went bankrupt last year, and their existing planes were repossessed. It’s still on Boeing’s official backlog as an order. Airbus order book is just as meaningless.

          Both of them can ship many aircraft as they can make over the next couple of years, and get paid for them. In that sense they both have “strong order books”. Beyond that, the numbers are meaningless.

      2. hittitezombie

        Re: The problem ....

        Know-how lost by firing manufacturing workforce is not going to come back when you start rehiring.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: The problem ....

          Fire the wellpaid, benefit encumbranced union employee in Wa and hire cheap workers in the south/Mexico and import sub-assemblies

          Detroit is gone but the US still sells more cars than in the 70s

          1. Wang Cores

            Re: The problem ....

            Except that's how Boeing got to be where it is now? The South Carolina plant (non-unionized) was the source of the failing doors and poor workmanship while Everett was pushing out relative quality.

            Of course, this assumes the idea is to produce good products instead of increasing value for shareholders.

      3. Julz

        Hey

        Stop being reasonable and rational, We, want slogans and improbable rhetoric.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Hey

          Can we have flags and bald eagles?

          Every engineering program ca be rescued by painting bald eagles on the side

          Funny the American Bald Eagle is almost extinct in America (except Alaska) but here in Canada (at least in BC) we are crawling with the things.

          I propose that the Bald Eagle be adopted as the symbol of Canada instead of the Maple leaf and the US symbol become the Corn Syrup plant leaf

          1. Sherrie Ludwig

            Re: Hey

            Funny the American Bald Eagle is almost extinct in America (except Alaska) but here in Canada (at least in BC) we are crawling with the things.

            You are maybe twenty years behind the times with that remark. In the area of northern Illinois/southern Wisconsin they are more common than bluejays, by my (limited to driving rural roads) informal survey. I've seen them disputing possession of roadkill with the crows. One big bird against an organized mob. It's usually not a fair fight unless it's a pair of eagles.

  3. disillusioned fanboi
    Facepalm

    Terminated staff are only non-union, of course

    I saw somewhere that the staff being terminated for financial gain are all "non-represented", which I understand to mean non-union. No comment....

    1. Joe W Silver badge

      Re: Terminated staff are only non-union, of course

      Well, it basically shows that unless you have folk to argue with the employer on behalf of a larger group you are... "loved" (using the lookup table created by teh alte Ronald Saveloy the Apologetic, T.Pratchett, Interesting Times). Being represented helps, obviously. This is why we have unions (and quite strong ones in Germany, France and Scandinavia).

      1. Joe W Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: Terminated staff are only non-union, of course

        dang, too late for edits...

        I of course intended to write "the late Ronald Saveloy"... now, how many mistakes in in this post? Muphry's Law and all... ---> I would need a coffee, but there's no such icon.

      2. MyffyW Silver badge

        Re: Terminated staff are only non-union, of course

        To quote from my dear sister's sociology text book "Trade Unions are organisations formed by workers to maximise bargaining power". No wonder the captains of industry are so against them.

        1. imanidiot Silver badge

          Re: Terminated staff are only non-union, of course

          The problem in the US seems to be that all too often Unions seem to be run by people with mob bosses and "union regulations" seem more akin to protection rackets. I'm all for unions, but when I read some of the goings-on in the use I can't help but feel that sometimes their negotiating tactics seem to have been "lovely factory you got there, would be shame if something... happened to it. Wouldn't it?"

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Terminated staff are only non-union, of course

            The long shoreman's union is a grass-roots organisation striving for the liberation of the proletariat to control the means of production.

            That the members make more than doctors and jobs are only open to the sons of members, and the union leaders have to be full-blooded Sicilian is just one of those little historical quirks

      3. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

        Re: Terminated staff are only non-union, of course

        This is why we have unions (and quite strong ones in Germany, France and Scandinavia).

        Given the state of the economy in the first two of those, I'm not sure that's anything to boast about.

        1. Charlie Clark Silver badge
          Stop

          Re: Terminated staff are only non-union, of course

          Unions in France are traditionally weak, which is why they largely strike for political purposes. Unions in Germany (and Scandinavia) are part of the co-management culture, which is one of the reasons why it loses fewer days to strikes and illness than other countries. We are currently going through a rebalancing of the capital versus labour equation but that's not really the problem The economic slowdown in Germany has many fathers but if there is one factor to be singled out it would be the car industry betting on high-margin SUVs for too long and studiously ignoring smaller cars.

  4. Groo The Wanderer

    I predict pay cheques there to go "Boeing boing boing" as they bounce any day now...

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Mushroom

    Forget space if you can't even keep a door secured on Earth

    See title.

    The fact this company still exists is a fucking joke. You can get away with maybe 1 totally preventable incident. But when it becomes 2, 3... more? Nah.

    1. julian_n

      Re: Forget space if you can't even keep a door secured on Earth

      I suspect it is kept alive by lucrative military contracts - so a few more wars should see Boeing return to rude health.

      1. hittitezombie

        Re: Forget space if you can't even keep a door secured on Earth

        Military pilots are used to aircrafts crashing so Boeing should do better there.

        1. isdnip

          Re: Forget space if you can't even keep a door secured on Earth

          McDonnell was purely military and it essentially took over Douglas, which had made some civilian craft. McD's accountant-first culture took over McD-D and then Boeing. But we passengers are not the same risk takers as Top Gun flyboys.

  6. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Holmes

    "The challenges we have faced in development"

    Yeah, like making sure the engines are properly placed, the doors don't fly off mid-flight, the pilots actually know what they can do and the plane can actually take off and do it.

    Big challenges for a company that has completely lost the plot.

    I'm guessing that this is not going to be the last reschedule . . .

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: "The challenges we have faced in development"

      >the engines are properly placed, the doors don't fly off mid-flight, the pilots actually know what they can do and the plane can actually take off and do it.

      Oh come on, be reasonable

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The Boeing End Game ...

    ... will be similar to the US automobile industry twenty years ago. Bankruptcy followed by a bailout and government receivership until it gets back on its feet. Then return it to the MBA finance bean counters, and repeat the cycle all over again.

  8. Jan 0

    Monopoly?

    Is Airbus about to become a monopoly, or are their any viable alternatives to Boeing on the horizon?

    Lockheed? Embrarer? Bombardier? What's the Chinese aviation industry up to? Is India developing anything?

    1. vtcodger Silver badge

      Re: Monopoly?

      What'a China up to? C919.

      Specs similar to A320/737MAX, Maybe 10-20% cheaper than competitors. Been in production for about two years. Maybe as many as a dozen actually being flown by paying customers. Takes a while for production to ramp up and for airlines to set up maintenance, supply, etc. Complicated processes and, unlike the computer industry, can't afford mistakes. Generally reviews are favorable. Lots of orders (as many as 1000?) all from within China. Customers outside China will presumably holding off for a few years to see if there are reliability, safety, or other problems.

    2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: Bombardier

      Airbus took over much of their civil airliner business. The A-200 series was designed by Bombardier.

      Lockheed is really only into military stuff

      The Chinese are building for the Chinese market as part of the government 'grand plan' for the economy. How viable the thing is outside of China is another matter.

      1. Like a badger Silver badge

        Re: Bombardier

        "How viable the thing is outside of China is another matter."

        Offer less discerning countries easy finance terms, and they'll happily take C919s. Belt and Bribe works well for infrastructure, they'll use the same approach to flog their aircraft to countries with sympathetic leadership.

      2. Groo The Wanderer

        Re: Bombardier

        Bombardier is in worse financial shape than Boeing - they're repeatedly being nailed out by the Federal and Quebec governments. If it weren't for the taxpayer footing their bills, they'd have been bankrupt over a decade ago.

      3. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Bombardier

        >Airbus took over much of their civil airliner business. The A-200 series was designed by Bombardier.

        Boeing got the US to put a 300% tarrif on the C series and so Bombardier had to sell to Airbus for $1, who build it in the USA as the A200

        This means that what would have been a competitor to the 737 built in small numbers by a tiny Canadian maker - is now one of Airbus's most promising future platforms.

        Well done Boeing, managing the A-10 cannon of shooting yourself in the foot

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Monopoly?

      "Is Airbus about to become a monopoly, or are their any viable alternatives to Boeing on the horizon?"

      Of course not, there's no way the US government would allow Boeing to disappear. Most airlines won't want Airbus as a sole supplier, so may mix orders.

      Embraer already make decent regional jets and are reportedly looking at building a 737/A320 competitor. But there's no competition in wide body jets other than Boeing and Airbus (I think we can ignore the outdated IL96).

      1. bazza Silver badge

        Re: Monopoly?

        The US government may not have much choice in the matter.

        Trust in Regulators

        There's other problems for Boeing, other than late delivery. The relationship between the FAA and the rest of the world's regulators took a serious knock over the 737 MAX crashes. Whilst the FAA has evidently been working hard to repair that international relationship, Boeing then proceeded to not fix their problems, and then let a door fall off an Alaskan Airlines MAX. Since then, the FAA has been heavily involved in how Boeing is run. The certification flights for the 777X are the kind of thing that are supposed to commence, when everything else has been thoroughly gone over.

        However, the thrust links broke, risking engines departing the airframe. Technically, that counts as a "near miss", because these aircraft have flown to and done demo flights at air shows all over the world, all while the engines were not as thoroughly attached to the airframe as they should have been. That's basic stuff, something that should have been worked out and pummelled on the ground, something that should have been done before ever a prototype flew. And this has also happened on the FAA's watch.

        FAA Could Lose Its Teeth

        And now, Elon Musk is talking about getting the Supreme Court to reign in the FAA and prevent them from fining companies. If he achieves that, the FAA is in effect no long a regulator; they cannot "force" any company to do any thing, as there are no actual sanction they can apply. For example, if the FAA withdrew Boeing's manufacturing certificate, Boeing could say "we're carrying on anyway", and the FAA would have no means of making that choice painful for Boeing to pursue.

        Dilemma for Overseas Regulators

        So the question overseas regulators are still having to ask themselves is, is the combination of the FAA and Boeing capable of delivering safe aircraft? The answer is most definitely not an unequivocal "yes". That then puts the regulators like EASA, CAA, CAAC, in an awkward and difficult position.

        To allow Boeings to continue flying over their territories, the regulator staff themselves are taking a personal risk. The buck really does stop with them, and them alone. If they're accepting FAA certifications when there's clear evidence that Boeings are not up to standard, there's the prospect of a negligence case being brought against them. One way forward is that (for example) the EASA were to insist that Boeing certify their aircraft through the EASA. That would kill Boeing, because suddenly the certification costs of their aircraft would be doubled.

        Impact on Boeing's Order Book

        So the scene is set for Boeing to lose its international market, if the company / FAA continue to let slip-ups through to flying aircraft. If that were to happen, the majority of Boeing's order book evaporates. And there's no way the US gov could keep the civil part of BCA operating whilst being able to fulfil only US domestic orders.

        There's nothing the US gov can do about that. If the EASA says "the game's up" to the FAA, the US gov cannot order, oblige, instruct, coerce or influence the EASA to change their mind. The EASA is a EU commission body, and there is no real diplomatic means to apply pressure to the EASA.

        Political Failings

        This is all the result of the US politicians of both parties over the decades having denuded the FAA of the necessary resources to be able to keep control of a company run by MBAs who have no inkling that the regulatory compliance is a market expander, not a cost to be minimised. It wouldn't have been a problem had the motivations of the company management been benign, naturally compliant. But, it wasn't.

        The warning signs have been there for at least 2 decades, but the politicians didn't listen to advice.

        If the US government wants a guarantee that the USA will remain in the airliner designing / manufacturing business, it either needed to have taken control of Boeing about 15, 20 years ago, or it could today ask Airbus to become a global monopoly with a large presence in the USA.

        Industry Will Not Wait for Government

        Even here the US government has comparatively little influence. The types of company that supply both Boeing and Airbus are already talking to Airbus, and it's no secret that some airlines would order even more Airbuses if there were even the remotest chance of Airbus being able to build them. They're doing this because, at the moment, Boeing aren't ordering anything (whilst the strike is on), and the suppliers are desperate to sell product. Airbus could be driven into being a monopoly by the rest of the market.

        In these circumstance, the US gov would have to hope that some of Airbus ended up remaining in Mobile, Alabama.

    4. Spazturtle Silver badge

      Re: Monopoly?

      It's already a monopoly, both Boeing and Comac outsource a lot of things to Airbus. Airbus makes multiple parts of the 737 including parts of the wing and tail, Airbus actually make more parts for the 737 than Boeing does at this point due to how much is outsourced. The Comac C919 is basically a clone of the A320 and many of the parts are even interchangeable, Airbus is also one of the major contractors making parts for it.

      Airbus had a bad downturn years back and were not getting orders, but rather than cut staff and close some factories they decided to turn those production lines that were empty into outsourcing shops. And since they were full of experienced staff and high tech equipment they were able to do things that other contractors could not.

  9. teknopaul

    Entirely predicted

    It's almost as if monopoly based croneyism isn't working.

    The profit motive doesn't work if you have golden parachutes. Economically speaning, capitalism argues, you need the stick and the carrot at the top. It's not just unfair, but it zdoesn't work_ if there is no stick at the top.

    Booing is a classic example of capitalism done wrong. It's doomed to fail. It already has. People being dead is fail.

    Ifs it boing I ain't going, check the timetables and take the bus

    1. collinsl Silver badge

      Re: Entirely predicted

      Buses are hundreds of times less safe than any airliner.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Entirely predicted

        True, but I don't have to turn up at the bus stop 2 hours before my journey

        If only there was a way of going from city center to city center, at several hundred mph with the safety of an airline and without having to be fondled by an armed mall cop

      2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        Re: Entirely predicted

        Guess what not catching a plane or bus is even safer.

    2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Re: Entirely predicted

      paul: Economically speaning, capitalism argues, you need the stick and the carrot at the top.

      cow: Its good too see America media and hollywood have brainwashed you so well..

      paul: It's not just unfair, but it zdoesn't work_ if there is no stick at the top.

      cow: says who ?

      Oh tahts right ceos...

  10. teknopaul

    Fun fact

    The best hope capitalism has of some competition in the airplane market instead of the current duopoly: is the communist state run Chinese alternative!

    Those that pretend to believe in capitalism should try it

    1. Julz

      Re: Fun fact

      As stated above; it's a clone of an Airbus 320, so what sort of competition is that?

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Fun fact

        It's not a clone of the A320 it's just built to target the same size segment. In the same way the A320 isn't a clone of the 737

    2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Re: Fun fact

      paul : is the communist state run Chinese alternative

      cow: here we go extremism from the ceo loving patsy...

  11. DS999 Silver badge

    Better that it be late

    Than have any safety issues like MCAS or the missing door bolts.

    They can't afford ANY screwups or it will be the end of the company. Being late is bad, but survivable. Delivering another 737 MAX is not.

  12. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    The media always talk about Evil Russia and Evil China, but the true enemy of America are the CEO class.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Makes you wonder who owns American media

      1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        Makes you wonder about freedom of speech...

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Alternative Markets

    I was thinking boing could flog some of their dodgier aircraft to Ukraine who could repurpose them as jumbo sized drones/cruise missiles or even glide bombs. Not as though the efficacy of passenger aircraft as weapons doesn't have precedents.

    Although perhaps not exactly the greatest look for a passenger aircraft company.

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