back to article Top-secret X-37B space plane ready for daring new orbital maneuver

After nearly a year in orbit, the US Space Force's secretive X-37B is prepped to perform some fancy new maneuvers to alter its orbit and dump its service module before carrying on with more mysterious work. Usually tight-lipped about the X-37B's orbital operations, the Space Force said yesterday that the seventh orbital test …

  1. STOP_FORTH Silver badge
    WTF?

    Timeline question

    If Space Force was operating in 2010 what was the organisation that President Trump created? Or did the X-37B precede the organisation?

    1. James Turner

      Re: Timeline question

      The X-37 programme goes back to 1999 when it started off with NASA. It then moved over to the military under the Air Force. Trump set up Space Force to consolidate the various space operations the different services have.

      1. Gene Cash Silver badge

        Re: Timeline question

        > It started off with NASA. It then moved over to the military under the Air Force

        Actually, NASA shitcanned the project for no good reason, just before it was actually to go into space, after a ton of development time, energy and money went into it, and the USAF dug it out of the trash.

        In a similar fashion, NASA shitcanned the FASTRAC engine, one of the former project engineers took it home, and Elon Musk hired him to "develop" the Falcon Merlin engine.

        No, I'm not salty about my tax dollars being wasted, why do you ask?

        Makes me wonder what other useful tech has gone into the bin at NASA.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Timeline question

          Such things are usually due to some Congress critters "reallocating" funding to better meet the pork barrel, rather than NASA itself.

          Still ridiculous, of course.

        2. Jonathon Green
          Coat

          Re: Timeline question

          Yeah, that will happen when a body spends money on developing technology and capability to support a specific set of mission and then the government pulls the budget for those missions half way through.

          Not a NASA problem…

        3. MyffyW Silver badge

          Re: Timeline question

          NERVA, NOVA, Aerospike engine on X-33, The X-33 itself I guess ... just a couple from memory.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Timeline question

      Yes, they were under the World Police before that.

    3. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Re: Timeline question

      It's the same thing that happens when people talk about the US Air Force in WW-II even though it didn't exist until after the war, and was the US Army Air Corp at the time.

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      2. awavey

        Re: Timeline question

        Pedantically speaking they were called the United States Army Air Forces or USAAF, sometimes just AAF, during Americas contribution to WW2.

        Whilst the air corps remained part of the army capability till they were disbanded post war, USAAF were the major aerial force for the US between 41 and 47 and were the direct predecessor to the USAF.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Development of X37B was commissioned in 1999, so on Bill Clinton's watch, and the separation of USAF space interests into a separate space organisation has been an ongoing things dragged out over the past five or six decades. Don't give the Orange Shouty Loon any credit.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Translation: it was built by Boing Boing Boing Boeing, so it should come as no surprise that it took so long to get to this stage.

      1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

        Likely they couldn't find washers and ran out of Loctite.

        1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          Loctite melts at very low temps making it unsuitable for space.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      "and the separation of USAF space interests into a separate space organisation has been an ongoing things dragged out over the past five or six decades."

      Is that what actually happened, or was it more of a consolidation of USAF, Army and Navy space related activities? Or do the Army and Navy still have their own programs? And where are the Space Marines in all this? :-)

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        And where are the Space Marines in all this? :-)

        Hiding from Games Workshop's lawyers.

        (on which point, I wonder if Mr Miyagi's lawyers will claim trade infringements for catching a falling booster using some chopsticks? That was rather spectacular to watch, and impressive SpaceX managed to catch it the first attempt.)

  3. Phil Koenig Bronze badge

    Secret orbit changes

    This must be one of the maneuvers that they are hoping allows the X-37B to change its orbit mid-flight, allowing it to evade foreign tracking for a while so it can go somewhere unanticipated to snoop.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/23/former-secaf-explains-how-secret-x-37-space-plane-throws-enemies.html

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Secret orbit changes

      "evade foreign tracking for a while"

      It would be a short while. It's up there in plain sight, you can't hide it in the bushes.

      1. Gordon 10 Silver badge
        Big Brother

        Re: Secret orbit changes

        Its more a case of the plane moving to stop the things its looking at down below evading tracking....

        Mobile launchers and Bases with things out in the open being prepped for stuff....

  4. heyrick Silver badge

    Hmm...

    Top Secret [...] After nearly a year in orbit [...] prepped to perform some fancy new maneuvers [...]

    Do they not understand what "Top Secret" means, or is this willy waving aimed at an adversary?

    1. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Re: Hmm...

      Well, it's not secret when you can watch it do it, which China, Russia, and hundreds of amateur space trackers do daily nightly.

      This was one of the things the Shuttle was supposed to explore, before it went "operational" and became too precious to risk on actual research. The Shuttle also never demonstrated the high cross-range that the USAF insisted on, which was a big driver in the final design, resulting in the big heavy delta wings.

      What's actually secret is what's aboard it, and what those experiments are doing.

      Also, we're saying we accomplished this before the Chinese do with their very similar CSSHQ space plane. So yes, it is willy waving aimed at an adversary.

      1. IvyKing

        Re: Hmm...

        The proposed maneuver sounds like something out of the Dyna-Soar (X-20) project from the late 50's and early 60's. I think the intent is to be able reduce the amount of fuel needed to change an orbit.

        1. Phil Koenig Bronze badge

          Re: Hmm...

          Seems to me more likely it's a maneuver to cloak what it is actually doing for a short time until the trackers figure out what it just did with that orbit change.

          Because it's traveling lower than most orbiting objects and thus subject to atmospheric drag, this particular maneuver is something that probably could not be accomplished at higher altitudes without that atmosphere to generate drag:

          https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/23/former-secaf-explains-how-secret-x-37-space-plane-throws-enemies.html

    2. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Big Brother

      Re: Hmm...

      Probably announce it in advance so the "adversary" doesn't notice it and say "we've seen you change orbit. This is suspicious and probably about to launch an attack on us. I'm sending the nukes"

  5. Gene Cash Silver badge
    Headmaster

    Not aerobraking

    This isn't aerobraking, where the spacecraft body acts basically as a parachute to slow it down.

    This is "aeromaneuvering" where you dip into the thicker air, which gives you enough lift on the wings that you can use them as control surfaces again to change your course. You actually don't want to slow down too much.

    Yeah, I know I'm being pedantic, but this is the El Reg comment section. Plus I learned all this from Scott Manley and Kerbal Space Program.

  6. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    atmospheric drag and a tight periapsis

    And using language like that is presumably why they have to launch from California, and not Florida

    1. Anonymous Custard Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: atmospheric drag and a tight periapsis

      The first reading of "a tight periapsis" made me think that they might be nervously suffering from squeaky bum syndrome on this one?

  7. benderama

    Just makes you wonder what they can hide behind the fleets of starlinks radio-flood fleet(s), you know, the ones made redundant by the department of redundancy department.

  8. Jon 37

    Service module destruction

    Dropping the service module in a low Earth orbit, it will gradually slow down due to drag from the really thin atmosphere up there, then re-enter and burn up in the atmosphere. The international standards say it has to do that within a few years. But an adversary could inspect it during that time. Possibly even manoeuvre one of their satellites close for close up pictures. Or theoretically even grab it, perhaps have an astronaut pull out the interesting bit and return it to earth. That would be very difficult, but is not impossible, so national security people could worry about it.

    For the new mission, they can drop the service module in an orbit which goes much lower. That way, the service module won't survive very long, it will rapidly burn up, likely within a day or two and possibly within an hour.

    1. parrot

      Re: Service module destruction

      It would still be vulnerable to inspection by rogue temporal agents from the distant future.

    2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Unhappy

      "Or theoretically even grab it, "

      Yes that was one of the Shuttle scenarios.

      It was never clear if that was going to be after WWIII had started or before.

      Because capturing another countries space property can be viewed as a)An act of salvage b)An act of war

      Just because something is physically possible does not necessarily make it a good idea.

      1. Jon 37

        Re: "Or theoretically even grab it, "

        Decades ago, the US covertly salvaged a wrecked Russian submarine in deep water. That could have been seen as an act of war too. But it happened.

        Before spy satellites were good, the US routinely sent spy planes over Russia, Cuba and other enemy countries. That could have been seen as an act of war too. But it happened.

        The US is publicly discussing how to protect it's satellites against foreign satellites. And has plenty of classified satellites. The US likely has the capability to get one of it's satellites close to an enemy satellite, to inspect it. That's likely one of the things that their X-37B spaceplane can do, although I expect they have dedicated satellites for that too.

  9. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Coat

    Aerobraking is well enough known that NASA did not ask for a proof of concept before it tried it.

    Aerocapture when you're coming in from the Moon, or going into Martian orbit is much riskier.

    Aerobraking can take very thin slices off the delta V cake on each pass. The solar panels provide enough area and the forces are low enough they are in the design limits of the probe.

    But capture is a one-shot deal. All the excess speed needed to get there dumped in one (very) hot pass. No second chances. The payoff is a big reduction in braking fuel.

    So this is a milestone for the X37b programme, but in general it's fairly known territory.

  10. Dagg Silver badge

    Thunderbird One

    Anyone else see the resemblance?

    1. Anonymous Custard Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: Thunderbird One

      Maybe more Thunderbird 3 if you include the ring, but yes I can see what you mean...

    2. hammarbtyp

      Re: Thunderbird One

      Until I see the Wallace inspired pilot transport mechanism, I will hold my judgement

  11. Guy de Loimbard Silver badge
    Happy

    A what now??

    I know I can look it up, but my inner child just made me spit coffee everywhere when I read......

    a tight periapsis

    And I thought WTAF....

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