back to article BBC weather glitch shows 13k mph winds in London, 404℃ in Nottingham

Those who rely on the BBC's online weather forecasts to plan their day would be forgiven if they woke up this morning and thought the world was ending, but those 13,508 mile-an-hour winds in London and 404℃ lows forecasted for Nottingham tomorrow are an obvious error. Visit the BBC's online or in-app weather forecasts as of …

  1. I am David Jones Silver badge
    Coat

    The BBC weather forecast was right, it was the planet that glitched.

    1. simonlb Silver badge

      The BBC weather forecast was right, it was the planet that glitched.

      Unless the planet is Trenco, where those wind speeds are but a light breeze.

      If you know, you know.

      1. Christoph

        Which is very odd, as there's nothing on the planet which could drive those winds to that speed.

      2. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

        @simonlb

        And during those lulls, you harvest the thionite.

  2. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
    Trollface

    IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

    Kamala is using her weather machine to attack the UK, just like she did in Florida. Soon jackbooted American FEMA thugs will show up to haul you all off to reeducation camps!

    Sadly, this appears to be what Republicans would happily believe.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

      The irony of all this is that the hurricane is "engineered" in that global warming will have contributed to it.

      1. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
        Holmes

        Re: IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

        Global Warming is a Democrat HOAX!

        (This, needless to say, is what a stupidly--and I use the word deliberately--large number of Republicans also believe.)

      2. mahan

        Re: IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

        While global warming is real and can influence hurricane patterns, attributing any specific hurricane directly to climate change is complex.

        People often mistakenly link individual weather events to climate change, like claiming a hot summer or cold winter proves or disproves global warming. Similarly, pointing to a certain hurricane being "contributed to" because of climate change's impact oversimplifies a complex issue.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

          Alright Mr Logic, pipe down

  3. Red Sceptic

    It was fun to send my friend in Florida a screenshot of the BBC weather app showing hurricane force winds in Covent Garden this morning (he’d already told me his family had all weathered their real hurricane just fine).

    RIP Michael Fish.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Was your American friend fascinated by the colours, while also not understanding imperial?

  4. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

    "Be assured"

    For those of us who remember Michael Fish telling us much the same I'm not sure we should be.

  5. adrianww
    WTF?

    Only 13k?

    That’s just a light breeze!

    According to the BBC weather app and website, wind speeds were hitting 19035 mph in my neck of the woods this morning. (SW Scotland)

    Ya big bunch of soft sassenach jessies…

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Only 13k?

      There were a handful of '404' degree temperatures forecast, too...

      1. David 132 Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: Only 13k?

        And yet that temperature was never actually found.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Only 13k?

      We're a bit more sheltered - only 536mph. But the odd thing is that now - 13:10 the figures all look reasonable but there's a banner headline across the top of the screen saying that the forecast is wrong.

  6. richardcox13

    That's not "Hurricane Force"

    "Be assured there won't be 14,408mph winds, hurricane force winds..."

    Hurricane force is ≥ 73 mph and while there is no upper limit on force 12; I think being > Mach 18 is into a while new realm where everything down to bedrock would be scoured off (and the bedrock would be eroded pretty quickly).

    Maybe someone messed up the data feed to it was read as being multiples of the speed of sound rather than, the correct, km/h and was a bit too clever is automatically converting.[1]

    [1] This is the site where you can turn it up to 11.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: That's not "Hurricane Force"

      Yes, but with "404℃ lows forecasted for Nottingham tomorrow" sound will travel at 1,150 mph there ... and so 14,408mph is just a Mach 14 wind gust really ... plenty of folks were born in a cross-fire hurricane like this, and then lived to be raised by a toothless, bearded hag just fine AFAIK!

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: That's not "Hurricane Force"

      "Maybe someone messed up the data feed to it was read as being multiples of the speed of sound rather than, the correct, km/h and was a bit too clever is automatically converting.[1]"

      Or, it was a US based weather service providing the data in "freedom" units and struggling to convert to proper[*] units the entire rest of the word users, especially this particular customer :-)

      * Admittedly, that doesn't explain the slight discrepancy in the wind speeds in mph. Or maybe it does? The US company tried to convert the km/h, and the BBC then converted back to mph?

    3. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: That's not "Hurricane Force"

      Mach 18 is into a while new realm where everything down to bedrock would be scoured off (and the bedrock would be eroded pretty quickly).

      And heated and burned to plasma.

      1. ThatOne Silver badge

        Re: That's not "Hurricane Force"

        > And heated and burned to plasma.

        Especially this ^^: That's atmospheric entry class speeds, think ultra-fast meteorites zooming through the atmosphere, except it's the atmosphere which would be moving here!

  7. yetanotheraoc Silver badge

    Neptune is jealous

    Meanwhile, enquiring minds want to know why the BBC reports wind speeds in mph rather than kph.

    1. Giles C Silver badge

      Re: Neptune is jealous

      Probably because we use miles for distance everywhere in the uk. All the road signs are in miles, speed limits in miles per hour etc. we but petrol in litres but still use miles per imperial gallon (4.54 litres not the us version) for fuel consumption.

      And the met office weather data uses the same units.

      Before you say anything it works for us….

      1. matjaggard

        Re: Neptune is jealous

        Miles per gallon will be obsolete before it is changed. I do find it frustrating when I can't configure systems to give me distances over a mile in miles but shorter distances in meters.

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: Neptune is jealous

          Well it depends on the size of the meters. The pressure meter* on the carbon dating system in the old Belfast lab was at least 6 inches across, the pressure meter on my central heating system is only about 1 inch.

          *Weird thing - IIRC it went round about 3 times so it had an effective scale length of getting on for a metre.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Neptune is jealous

            Please stop bragging about the size of your meter to us here at the carbon dating agency. We just cannot believe that it expands to a metre when you turn it around 3 times! Is that a telescope in your pocket by any chance (or are you really this happy to see us!)? (ahem! sorry ...)

    2. richardcox13

      Re: Neptune is jealous

      You can select either...

    3. cyberdemon Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Re: Neptune is jealous

      Enquiring Minds want to know why it is not in metres per second.

      What is this 'hours' nonsense, doesn't seem like an SI unit to me..

      1. Tim99 Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Neptune is jealous

        But hours are in a Standard (ISO 8601), and can be useful as UTC with a local offset... >>===>

    4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Neptune is jealous

      Enquiring minds want to know when the get the "Who, me?".

  8. Anonymous John

    Just a storm in a teacup.

    See title.

    1. ravenviz Silver badge

      Re: Just a storm in a teacup.

      ...or a storm in Sidcup!

  9. AVR Bronze badge

    Interstellar travel

    You've got to wonder which exoplanet the BBC's based on these days. It's obviously a hot Jupiter, but which?

  10. Howard Sway Silver badge

    Sorry, this forecast is wrong due to a data error. Please ignore while we fix the problem

    That's what it says above the forecast on the BBC weather page. But the forecast is now right. So it was presented as right when it was wrong, and now they say it's wrong when it's right, which is of course wrong. Right?

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Sorry, this forecast is wrong due to a data error. Please ignore while we fix the problem

      That sounds wrong. Or right.

  11. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    Mach 17 wind speeds

    They're all fine. I'm upwind and didn't hear anything bad happen.

  12. BryanFRitt

    Units matter

    The image doesn't show what the units are. It's possible that those assumptions are wrong about what the units go with these numbers.

    [ For math fun, find the equation(s) to convert them to go with more common units, and post them here. :) ]

    1. Kevin Johnston

      Re: Units matter

      Using a 'back of an envelope' calculation I would suggest they thought the 'm' in mph was metres. This would give you 13k metres per hour for an 8 miles per hour windspeed

  13. An_Old_Dog Silver badge
    Joke

    Severe Weather Changes

    such as this will surely put 'paid' to those stubborn climate-change-deniers!

    1. I am the liquor
      Joke

      Re: Severe Weather Changes

      More likely the opposite - commie BBC said it was going to be 400°C, but it was only 15, same as yesterday! No such thing as gullible worming.

  14. biddibiddibiddibiddi Bronze badge

    You'd know if it was 404C in England because there wouldn't be any rain.

    1. Rob Daglish

      I live in Cumbria, where it’s either raining, or about to rain, and we tell what season we’re in by the temperature of the rain.

      I’m fairly convinced it could be 10,000C here and it would still find a way of having a convincing downpour, physics be damned….

      1. ThatOne Silver badge

        Nobody said that downpour has to be water...

    2. J.G.Harston Silver badge

      I might be persuaded to take one of my jumpers off.

  15. K555

    Not unusual

    Isn't this just a normal forecast for the Daily Express?

  16. Fred Dibnah

    Serves them right for dropping the Met Office as their weather data supplier* a few years ago.

    * The shipping forecast excluded.

  17. MachDiamond Silver badge

    I'll raise

    I have a screen shot of a weather website photo with the caption that "of course they get extreme at the top of the mountain, it's 68,000ft tall." No, it was not Mons Olympus.

  18. legless82

    I can't help wondering

    what the actual problem was.

    The numbers that resulted didn't seem to make sense even when running through some conversion, so I can't help but wonder if there's a really crude flat file involved in the data interface where either the column order changed or some separators got missed.

    1. David Hicklin Silver badge

      Re: I can't help wondering

      404 sounds like a not found error

  19. Winkypop Silver badge
    Headmaster

    Work experience day is a great idea

    But maybe don’t let them loose on a live system.

  20. HorseflySteve

    When NaN is ignored..

    I once had a meteoradar.uk tell me that it was currently -273.1°C in Nether Stowey, Somerset with 290993 mph wind from the SSW and 308202.9 mm of precipitation (presumably, the entire atmosphere falling as 'snow'), and predicting a daytime high of 537°C, overnight low of 60°C with 92% probability of icy precipitation up to 2316049 mm deep.

    I took screenshots :-)

  21. Conundrum1885

    404c

    That sounds like an average day on Venus.

    I can't even imagine a temperature that high here, everything would literally be on fire at that point.

    Considering that an average oven works at 220c.

  22. nautica Silver badge
    Happy

    "BBC weather glitch shows 13k mph winds in London, 404℃ in Nottingham"

    You have a problem with this?

    Inspector Jacques Clouseau would refer to this as a "...a mere bag of shells..."

  23. spold Silver badge

    They missed the simultaneous freezing GOF

    1. David 132 Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Older readers chuckle at the reference; younger readers have no idea what you’re talking about :)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        And the rest of us don't find it amusing.

  24. WageSlave5678

    Bring Back the Met Office

    when BBC shifted its Weather reporting from Met Office to Dutch HQ MeteoGroup it's not been as good.

    I discarded the BBC Weather services 3 years back in favour of the Met Office's own app now -

    their modeling is finer scale for the UK region, and Rain Radar gives you a *much* better picture of what is coming from upwind !

    I correlate that with WindGuru, who take several different academic public APIs, with greater weighting given to the more local sources, and it's pretty good.

    #TheJoysOfOutsourcing ...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Bring Back the Met Office

      I like the Norwegian weather forecast at YR.NO. e.g.

      https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/graph/2-2653941/United%20Kingdom/England/Cambridgeshire/Cambridge

      The presentation of the graphs is very clear and the forecast is not too bad either. You may notice that the rain is measured in mm while the wind speed is in m/s.

  25. Bebu
    Windows

    Meanwhile on the other side of the Pond...

    apparently the Trump camp have been claiming Biden, Kamala and meteorologists were responsible for Milton. According to one particularly defective partisan the Democrats can control the weather.

    I mean to say if they could do that wouldn't they send a hurricane towards Trump central? Hang on,.. ;)

    I stumbled over Marina Hyde's Guardian opinion piece in Hurricane Milton has left two worlds in its wake. Elon Musk lives in one of them. The other is called reality. Sort of makes one want to go off and joust with a few windmills - a saner activity than those much of the world is engaged in at this time.

  26. druck Silver badge

    Not the MO

    This is what you get when you ditch the British Met Office, and get your data feed from the lowest bidder (DTN).

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