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Watch out, Earth: There's another strong geomagnetic storm headed our way from the Sun, following the G5-class one that hit back in May. The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Space Weather Prediction Center (SWPC) warned today that a coronal mass ejection (CME) detected on October 8 is moving fast - …

  1. jonfr

    More X flares have happened in last 48 hours

    There have been more X flares in last 48 hours, not quite as big as the first one so far. I think that humanity luck with solar flares have run out for now. Prepare for no internet for a while. Because while fibre does not care, their terminal do and they might be toast of things go really badly.

    Disconnect anything from the grid power of things go badly. To avoid fried electronics.

    1. david 12 Silver badge

      Re: More X flares have happened in last 48 hours

      Obviously, a soccer game going on up there.

    2. goodjudge

      Re: More X flares have happened in last 48 hours

      Flares, you say? Green ones? The chances of anything coming from the sun are a million to one, but still they come.

    3. ravenviz Silver badge

      Re: More X flares have happened in last 48 hours

      I remember in the “olden days” we used to unplug the TV aerial from the TV just in case of a lightning strike. I’m not sure why, the only possible reason I can think off was so as not to blow up the TV which was a significant investment at the time!

  2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Man made

    Seems like another potential money spinner.

    Just convince the public these flares are man made and then tax everyone*.

    Next step is to start billions worth of tenders for research how to stop man made solar flares.

    * except the rich.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Chief Vitalstatistix has commented "the sky will fall on his head tomorrow".

    I'm not worried about any of this because I have my trusty tin foil hat. Guaranteed to block solar radiation and the Lizard Illuminati mind control being transmitted via 5G.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Tin foil hat is 4G thing. For 5G it is enough to make a cross with the fingers directed at the transmitter. The beam forming antennas will then avoid you like vampires avoid garlic.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        OK, lets expand on this. Radio waves and even 5g/4g etc. are a wave that goes up and down but in a straight line. Therefore if the world was round I wouldn't be able to get a mobile signal as it would just transmit into space. The earth is flat and on top of a turtle with four elephants. It's turtles all the way down.

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

          Are the turtles wearing tinfoil hats though?

          We must be told!

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Yes they aren't and no they are.

      2. Bebu
        Coat

        LTE garlic...

        Tin foil hat is 4G thing. For 5G it is enough to make a cross with the fingers directed at the transmitter. The beam forming antennas will then avoid you like vampires avoid garlic.

        I would have thought a pentacle (pentagram) for 5G?

        A small crystal of Ivermectin might deflect these pernicious 5G emanations.

      3. ravenviz Silver badge

        I knew it, solar flares started Covid. It’s so obvious now I overthink it!

  4. heyrick Silver badge

    Fools

    Can't you see what's going on here? This is what is known as "sputtering". Pretty soon the sun will either make a pleasing kaboom, or it'll just fizzle out. Either way, not so great for us.

    The only way to fix this is just like with a paraffin lamp, it needs to be repressurised. However, in order to go and pump some air into the sun to get it back up to the correct burning pressure, it would be complex and costly. Therefore we need a new Sun Restoration tax, and everybody who pays into it gets a official Sun emoji badge to show that they have done their part.

    1. heyrick Silver badge

      Re: Fools

      Just don't look behind the curtain and wonder where all this "air" will come from, because short of grabbing Jupiter and lobbing it at the Sun...

      ...no, just obediently pay your Sun tax like a good little citizen.

    2. BinkyTheMagicPaperclip Silver badge

      We just need A Good Team

      Everyone who has seen that important Earth saving documentary The Core knows all that's required is a team of boffins, and the best of the brave to create and operate a craft to re-ignite the sun.

      It'll need technical and political oversight, so part of the crew should include Liz Truss, Boris Johnson, and Elon Musk.

      Sadly the ignition module will fail to correctly deploy first time and will need brave, button pushing assistance from Mr Musk. When reversing the polarity of the electron flow there will be an unfortunate blow back and Mr Musk will be incinerated. Sad times, hey what's for tea?

      Following the successful re-ignition there's tragedy as an errant solar flare scrambles all systems and all aboard ironically freeze to death as the sun sparkles in the distance.

      Statues to these brave adventurers will be deployed for all to enjoy at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean.

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    3. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: Fools

      Don't forget that we should make everyone wear sunglasses to show how serious it is.

    4. naive

      Re: Fools

      I think this is caused by climate change or maybe Putin did it. Jeez, my Iphone beeps to remind me I need to get in my Tesla to get another Corona jab from mr. Gates.

    5. David Hicklin Bronze badge

      Re: Fools

      And we won't know it has happened for about 8 minutes...

      1. ravenviz Silver badge

        Re: Fools

        Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

  5. DS999 Silver badge

    Hey sun DON'T knock it off

    This is making some great aurora displays for those of us who live a couple thousand miles south of where they are typically visible! Keep it coming sun, just no repeats of the Carrington Event, we don't need to find out what that would do to our modern technology!

  6. Terry 6 Silver badge

    Whoa

    I just had my Covid vaccine update- these solar flares won't stop my microchip from working will they?

  7. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    I still haven't seen a single aurora. Every time this happens we have cloud cover. Every sodding time.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      You need to have borreliosis to see aurora borreliosis.

    2. Neil Barnes Silver badge

      You know that's how it works, in Germany as well as the UK. If it makes you feel bettee, my mother lives on Skye, and in thirty years' visiting her in mid-winter, I've seen the aurora only two or three times. Some gorgeous skies, but a great shortage of aurorae.

      Meteor showers, comets, Carrington Events... always behind the clouds. Though by some perverse coincidence, there's a clear night forecast for Friday night into Saturday, and I'll be at a flying field with horizon views and low background light. Maybe I get to see something (or maybe there'll be a noisy and brightly lit concert at one end, as seems to happen all summer.)

    3. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      I still haven't seen a single aurora. Every time this happens we have cloud cover. Every sodding time.

      Be grateful. There's a documentary available online about this - I think it's called 'The Day of the Triffids'.

      If you see green lights in the sky, well it's too late really, but if you hear about them I suggest you don't look.

      1. Bebu
        Windows

        Well Fed Triffids

        'The Day of the Triffids'.

        If you see green lights in the sky, well it's too late really, but if you hear about them I suggest you don't look.

        With most of human population glued to their devices I don't think they will see the green lights nor the Triffid stalking them - either way the Triffids aren't likely to go hungry.

    4. Spoobistle
      WTF?

      Foggy

      I have a theory that above my house the atmosphere is actually a giant cloud chamber, so solar particles, meteorites, comets etc automatically bring on the clouds and rain.

      I haven't yet figured out how it knows when I'm putting out washing though.

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

        Re: Foggy

        I haven't yet figured out how it knows when I'm putting out washing though.

        Oh that's easy. It's the gamma rays your washing machine emits when you turn it on.

      2. Spoobistle
        Alien

        Re: Foggy

        Well I've now got incontrovertible evidence that whoever controls the atmosphere reads Reg comment posts. Went out last night about 00:30 to see amazing purple and pale green glows across the sky. Clearly my complaints above caused embarrassment in the celestial realms...

        Obvs icon.

  8. Randesigner

    Latitudes

    "...aurora borealis at lower altitudes than expected,"

    I think that should be latitudes not altitudes.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Latitudes

      Right on! And inquiring minds would also like to know if it was (12:10) Brandon Vigaro, or (12:17) Vigolo, that was asking those questions to Public Affairs Erica Groch of (1:06) Noah's National Weather Service (focused on space floods?) in the SWPC's Wednesday, Oct 9th, Severe Geomagnetic Storm Media Briefing (and auto-transcript; eh-eh-eh!).

      Just kidding though! It's great to see how the answers to those questions ended up in TFA (illuminating wrt the journalistic process, and the geomagnetic storm) -- very well done (IMHO)!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Latitudes

        Oh, and hopefully this geomagnetic apocalypse doesn't mess too much with AMD's Oct. 10 Advancing AI 2024 where Turin and others will be detailed!

        1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
          Terminator

          Re: Latitudes

          Later, the survivors were able to trace the first glimmerings of actively hostile sentience to unexpected voltage fluctuations in systems affected by a particularly large solar storm...

          1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge
            Mushroom

            Re: Latitudes

            Carrington Event 2: Electric Boogaloo!

  9. Joe W Silver badge

    What time do you mean

    like, exactly, when you write "early tomorrow morning"? Which date? Which time UTC?

    1. STOP_FORTH Silver badge

      Re: What time do you mean

      If only Reg journos used UNIX, then they'd understand these things.

      1. Joe W Silver badge

        Re: What time do you mean

        I'd take that information in any time zone, provided it is clearly communicated. Preferrably with (UTC +2) or somesuch (this one would be CEST, which is not "Central Eastern Standard Time" if such a thing exists, which is why "common names" should not be used.)

        Of couse I would prefer a string like 20241021Z0920, which even TSQL should interprete correctly....

    2. Korev Silver badge
      Pirate

      Re: What time do you mean

      His Majesty's Greenwich Mean Time or we'll send the gunboats in...

      1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
        Unhappy

        Re: What time do you mean

        Despite the weather, we're still on His Majesty's British Summer Time at the moment.

        Coordinated Universal Time would be best in my opinion, but I'll take GMT at a push.

  10. JugheadJones

    watch your ECC memory

    going back a bit in time when Sun SPARC chips were around we would often find ECC memory correction errors in the logs, opening a case with Sun would yield the result that cosmic ray radiation from solar flares causing the issue. Working mostly in financials, this could, potentially, cause big problems. I'm guessing ECC is better proctected these days and less of an issue.

    1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

      Re: watch your ECC memory

      Umm. I didn't see the joke icon, but I'm still hoping that you're not serious about that comment.

      ECC is the means to identify and correct memory errors caused by external influences. A single bit error in an ECC protected byte or word will be reported and corrected. It should not be an issue, and if it really is a bit-flip caused by a cosmic ray, is nothing to be alarmed by, the ECC has done it's job. If you get a two-bit flip, then it will be detected, but not necessarily corrected, but the system may take some action.

      Some memory has a single parity bit and will detect single bit errors, but can't correct them, and may completely miss an even number of bit-flips in the protected byte or word.

      Now if you continuously get errors flagged in an ECC DIMM, that probably means either that the system is on Mercury, next to a strong gamma ray source or has an alpha particle source inside the case, or that the DIMM is going bad.

      Non ECC and/or parity memory is still subject to bit-flips caused by radiation, you just don't necessarily know that they've happened unless it produces noticeable data errors, or a program or the system as a whole crashes because the error occurred in a particularly important area of memory. But if that happens, you don't necessarily know that it was a memory error rather than a code error.

      So don't look at ECC memory being vulnerable to these things, rejoice that it is doing what it is designed to do, protecting the integrety of your system.

      1. JugheadJones

        Re: watch your ECC memory

        I think you're right, I was confused since it was so long ago, it was eCache on the CPU which was usually L1,L2 and L3 caches which was impacted. I think , also based on your note, the ECC comes in and corrects it

        1. STOP_FORTH Silver badge
          Joke

          Re: watch your ECC memory

          What can you expect from a company called Sun?

          1. Korev Silver badge
            Coat

            Re: watch your ECC memory

            Someone's a bright Sparc...

            1. STOP_FORTH Silver badge

              Re: watch your ECC memory

              First machine I ever saw that would boot straight off a CD was a Sparcsomething. (Station?)

              I don't know why I was impressed, but I was. This was in about 1995.

              Then Knoppix appeared and suddenly everyone was doing it.

              Edit ortokrekt didn't like Sparcsomething.

              1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

                Re: watch your ECC memory

                It was mainly down to the way that CDROM drives were connected to the system. If anybody remembers, the earliest PC CDROM drives were connected through a sound card on a PC. This often meant that the necessary drivers were not available early enough in the boot sequence to bootstrap the OS from a CDROM.

                It took a while for drives to be put directly on IDE/EIDE interfaces, which is what started to allow PCs to boot directly from them. (It also needed the CDROM Yellow Book to be standardised and adopted, but that was actually much earlier). And when ATAPI drives were introduced it became easier still to boot a PC from a CDROM.

                SCSI connected CDROM drives as you saw on UNIX system like Sun SPARC, IBM RS/6000 and I presume HP PA and DEC Alpha systems had these quite early, so from about 1992, or possibly even earlier, were able to boot from CDROM drives.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: watch your ECC memory

                  "SCSI connected CDROM drives as you saw on UNIX system like Sun SPARC, IBM RS/6000 and I presume HP PA and DEC Alpha systems had these quite early, so from about 1992, or possibly even earlier, were able to boot from CDROM drives."

                  My first Linux box back in approx early 1993 (maybe even late 1992) had a SCSI CDROM drive (plus Hard Disk) connected using an Adaptec 1542B SCSI-2 controller card. I'm sure I was booting off that CDROM drive in order to install SLS and Slackware Linux distros.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Wouaouh!

    It's here NOW and it's messing up with me hair! Brrrrr ....

    "the aurora (Northern Lights) could be visible as far south as Alabama and northern California tonight"!

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