back to article NASA switches off Voyager 2 plasma instrument to stretch out juice

Engineers have turned off Voyager 2's plasma science instrument in an effort to eke out the veteran probe's dwindling power supply. The instrument has become less useful in recent years due to its orientation relative to the direction that plasma is flowing in interstellar space. It consists of four "cups," three of which …

  1. Joe W Silver badge
    Pint

    Good job!

    It's brilliant these things still work, mostly....

  2. Ace2 Silver badge
    Joke

    “…the device stopped working in 1980 and was turned off in 2007”

    So NASA’s like my kids, then. I swear they turn stuff on just so they can forget to turn it off.

    1. MyffyW Silver badge

      I thought the same ... I mean, leaving it on for a few hours to see if it comes to life might make sense. But 27-fracking-years looks like carelessness.

      1. Spazturtle Silver badge

        Due to using an RTG for power there is no harm is leaving it on unless you need to save power due to the RTG decaying.

        1980 was still early in the program and any software change carries risk, there was no point risking bricking the probe just to shut down an instrument.

  3. Lee D Silver badge

    Can these guys design my next electronic device purchase?

    1. MiguelC Silver badge

      It depends on how much you're willing to pay for it

  4. I am David Jones Silver badge

    Why didn’t they use modern electronics? They’re so much more efficient it would go on for ages!

    1. Philo T Farnsworth Silver badge

      Hey, I thought it was funny even if the downvoter didn't get it.

      H/T to the mostly anonymous scientists and engineers who built the Voyagers and have kept them running all these decades.

      I cheered at the launch and may my last breath will be a soft, croaking cheer for them all. Thanks for making a cynical old nerd proud of a small, dedicated slice of humanity amidst all of the dross and turmoil.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
        Pint

        There will be people working with Voyager data, including the latest current data, that weren't even born when they launched :-)

    2. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Why didn’t they use modern electronics?

      Have you seen the call out fee the engineers would charge for that job? And that's before parts and labour.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        And no off-street parking either.

        1. I am David Jones Silver badge

          Not even on-street parking.

          1. Lon24 Silver badge

            Irrelevant, no traffic wardens in this sector. Though should have remembered my non-metric spanners. Back to base ...

          2. The Dogs Meevonks Silver badge

            I'd say there's an almost infinite amount of parking on site. But the route there is quite tricky.

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
        Joke

        ...and with modern lead-free solder, those call-out will be frequent and guaranteed work.

    3. Headley_Grange Silver badge

      The Old Ones Are The Best

      Didn't miss the joke, but unless there's a very good justification long term space stuff tends to use tech/processes - particularly semiconductors - that are one or two generations old simply because of the availability of in-service reliability data. Bit like not instantly installing the first issue of a new OS but instead waiting for a couple of revs to get the bugs ironed out.

      1. Cruachan Silver badge

        Re: The Old Ones Are The Best

        I've dabbled with electronics a bit for guitar amps and pedals, valves (or tubes depending where you come from) these days are pretty much only used for audio or military/space purposes with only a few exceptions such as microwaves. Everything else has moved to solid state.

    4. Vader

      They did for the time and it's brilliant that both Voyagers are still ticking.

  5. Roger Kynaston
    Thumb Up

    As ever, seriously cool

    I wonder if money could be found to send a probe specifically to investigate space beyond the heliosphere. New Horizons reached Pluto much more quickly so I should think they could load up a ship with cool toys to check stuff out and even get there in 20 or so years.

    I also wonder if these things will outlast this 59 year old.

    1. DoctorNine

      Re: As ever, seriously cool

      There is an interstellar mission planned from Johns Hopkins in 2030 I think. You can look it up if you are interested.

  6. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    That's old age for you. Not much fun when things start creaking but better than not getting old.

    1. Anonymous Custard Silver badge
      Happy

      I resemble that remark...

      Although I guess it's when it goes a step further and bits start falling off that the concern really sets in.

  7. YetAnotherLocksmith

    Always uplifting

    Even if there's nothing else uplifting or inspiring going on, that these two space probes are still running is enough!

    I wonder what the initial budget was, and how far over it's gone? After 50+ years.

  8. Alan(UK)

    AMSAT-OSCAR-7

    Launched 15 November 1974 it will be 50 years old next month. Still operational as of today: https://www.amsat.org/status/ but for more than 20 years it was presumed dead: https://www.eham.net/article/3736

  9. AbeSapian

    The Biggest Impediment to Interstellar Travel

    The Voyager space craft for all their longevity and the terrific science they provided, also demonstrate the biggest impediment to interstellar travel - electrical power. Machines could be created to store and revive frozen genetic material to grow a colony on arrival to a new planet. But without the electrical power to operate the machines, the ship would arrive a a frozen block of ice with no means to animate the colonists or guide the ship.

    The Voyager craft used radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs) to generate electricity. These have lasted for 50 years but are running out of power - and the space craft have only just left the heliosphere. The RTGs are powered by fission. Packing additional fuel for the journey won't work because the stored fuel will decay just as fast as the fuel generating power.

    Fusion isn't the answer either since it also requires a supply of fuel that would last the entire journey. Far too much to be able to carry. And solar cells won't work in interstellar space, too far from any sufficient light source.

    Absent some form of warp or wormhole drive, humanity is stuck in our own solar system for a long time to come.

    1. en.es
      Go

      Re: The Biggest Impediment to Interstellar Travel

      I wonder how big of a collector you would need at the front of the (by now very fast moving) vessel to funnel enough interstellar matter into your fusion reactor to keep going.... To be fair the main issue at the moment is taking all of this propulsion material out earths gravity well. It is not inconceivable that mining the moon or asteroids would allow very different configurations of interstellar ship than we are used to seeing in Sci Fi or IRL Once all that mass is moving, it's moving....

      1. Giles C Silver badge

        Re: The Biggest Impediment to Interstellar Travel

        True, but when you find something interesting you need to be able to slow down to make observations or it will be gone in a few minutes / hours / seconds

    2. Bilby

      Re: The Biggest Impediment to Interstellar Travel

      The RTGs aren't powered by fission, they are powered by radioactive decay.

      If you want a really long lived power source (and one for which additional fuel can not only be carried, but even manufactured from a more stable feedstock), fast fission would suit very well.

      Sure, a fission reactor would likely require more mass than an RTG for a given initial power output, but not as much more as one might imagine if terrestrial reactors are your comparitor - a fission plant in deep space requires no radiation shielding. And such a power plant can operate at full power almost indefinitely - limited only by the amount of fuel carried. Uranium 238 has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, and if that's too short, Thorium 232 has a half-life more than twice as long.

      Your instruments (and passengers and crew, if present) will need cosmic radiation shielding regardless of your power source, and the extra radiation from an onboard fission plant can be rendered trivial by distancing power plant from payload, to take advantage of the inverse-square law.

      Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick included this as a design element in the USS Discovery One, the ship controlled by HAL 9000, in 2001: A Space Oddessy.

      1. the spectacularly refined chap Silver badge

        Re: The Biggest Impediment to Interstellar Travel

        The RTGs aren't powered by fission, they are powered by radioactive decay.

        It's still fission regardless of whether it's triggered by neutron bombardment or spontaneous decay.

    3. Crypto Monad

      Re: The Biggest Impediment to Interstellar Travel

      > the biggest impediment to interstellar travel - electrical power

      I would beg to say that the biggest impediment to interstellar travel is the vast distances involved.

      Creating an electrical power source that lasts 50,000 years is pretty trivial compared to some of the other technology you've mentioned (e.g. creating humans from scratch using stored genetic material)

    4. Blogitus Maximus
      Coffee/keyboard

      Re: The Biggest Impediment to Interstellar Travel

      Would a solar sail, once up to speed lose speed between stars? I suppose flipping the sail around at the appropriate time would help decelerate at the other end.

      I had to look it up, and it seems Nasa think it might work :) https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/nasa-solar-sail-interstellar-travel

      I firmly believe we'll need to send robots with significantly advanced AI ahead of us to prepare for the intergenerational ships that could carry humans that far. Interesting times...eventually.

      e=mc2 because science is awesome.

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