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Microsoft's Patch Tuesday preview, KB5043145, arrived last week and is already causing some headaches thanks to serious stability issues. These previews are released early to give administrators time to test them before a full rollout on the next Patch Tuesday. In this case, October's Patch Tuesday, the last preview update for …

  1. seven of five Silver badge

    Impressive

    I find it always amazing how much Micros~1 manage to break with just a single patch - or a handfull of them. One click and carnage all over the place.

    1. Yorick Hunt Silver badge

      Re: Impressive

      Click? Pffft, clicks are a thing of the past!

      These days you will eat your patches whether you want to or not, no clicks necessary!

  2. mickaroo

    Backup Tuesday

    It sounds like copying a system image BEFORE patching might be a thing.

    I'll add that to my to-do list...

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Backup Tuesday

      And always give it at least a week (three maybe better) for the SNAFUs to be reported by the beta testers other users, though this can lead to the conundrum: update to a potentially unusable system to avoid a zero-day exploit?

      Liability in such cases really needs clarifying but, guess what, it won't be.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Backup Tuesday

        You also assume they'll have fixed it in three weeks. Hope springs eternal.

        1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          Re: Backup Tuesday

          No, I don't assume it. Let's call it the updaters dilemma: you know you've got to install the security fixes at some point, but how do you know that the update won't brick your system?

          A minimum of a week is reasonable, but only if you have some resource that taps into the feedback provided by the millions of unwitting guinea pigs and let you know whether it's another howler, or mostly harmless.

        2. GreyWolf

          Re: Backup Tuesday

          Microsoft#s average time to fix severe bugs is 93 days (public stats).

      2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

        Re: Liability???? WTF???

        Sorry to disappoint you but MS is NEVER EVER Liable for anything.

        Otherwise, Move along there. Nothing new to report. The MS update system is broken and has been for over a decade but they don't care. No one can sue the living daylights out of them and survive.

    2. James O'Shea Silver badge

      Re: Backup Tuesday

      I usually have Acronis run a full volume image before allowing a Patch Tuesday patch. I suspect that I will be doing that, and backing up important stuff onto other media as well. Just in case. Time to buy another external drive.

      1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: Backup Tuesday

        Likewise, I usually run Acronis several times a week (I got the brain dead version with a Crucial HDD), that allows me to do "Live backups".

    3. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Re: Backup Tuesday

      Eh, even on Linux I do a full backup before my monthly update.

      I've had things crap on my libc6, which is a ball of fun and joy for everyone involved. But hey, twice since 2003 is not a bad record.

  3. Homo.Sapien.Floridanus Silver badge

    At the Weyland Yutani IT Department

    Newt: It’s the second Tuesday, we better take snapshots and check backups.

    Ripley: what’s the big deal about second Tuesdays?

    Newt: That’s mostly when they come, mostly.

    1. MyffyW Silver badge

      Re: At the Weyland Yutani IT Department

      It's a Windows update. It'll breed. Your computer will die.

      meanwhile in a more optimistic universe sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

      1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

        Re: At the Weyland Yutani IT Department

        or

        dnf -y update

        1. Yankee Doodle Doofus

          Re: At the Weyland Yutani IT Department

          or

          sudo pacman -Syu

      2. GreyWolf

        Re: At the Weyland Yutani IT Department

        I have a Debian that does updates in parallel. On an 8-banger CPU, that means catching up on updates takes less than 60 seconds.

    2. Lee D Silver badge

      Re: At the Weyland Yutani IT Department

      I would love to just take off and nuke the whole thing from orbit.

      They can bill me.

    3. KayJ

      Re: At the Weyland Yutani IT Department

      We can't have any patching in there. I want you to, uh, collect backups from everybody.

  4. Awk_ward

    There's never a penalty for Microsoft.

    Here's your OS and we'll bork it for you when you need it.

    Every single paid for License key for software Windows should come with a compulsory 2 license package. One for the machine you're using, and a back up machine if it goes Kaput on an update.

    Windows also needs to allow people to manage their own updates, when the updates are worse than the Malware - you know you're on the wrong OS.

    As much as I hate to say it, I'm slowly turning to Mac.

    1. keithzg
      FAIL

      Re: There's never a penalty for Microsoft.

      A friend of mine just messaged me an hour ago lamenting that he let his desktop Mac install an OS update and now it's repeatedly locking up for minutes at a time, so . . .

      1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

        Don't forget : Borkzilla has (had) Apple shares.

        Cupertino has been infected . . .

      2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

        Re: There's never a penalty for Microsoft.

        Come, this is a tech forum. You should know that we need version numbers or update numbers before we believe a word. Sorts like certain immigrants eating cats and dogs. Great press but easily debunked.

        There are enough Mac users here that some of us (yes, me included) should have encountered this problem before now.

        Please don't tell us that your friend was installing a beta release.

        1. ThatOne Silver badge
          Devil

          Re: There's never a penalty for Microsoft.

          What? You don't believe immigrants eat Macs?

          Big Macs even.

      3. Ace2 Silver badge

        Re: There's never a penalty for Microsoft.

        Does your friend by chance have “security” software installed? That is a known vector for massive misbehavior after upgrades. It should be removed before the upgrade, or at the very least updated to the latest version that’s advertised as compatible with the target macOS.

    2. BobChip
      Linux

      There's always Linux..

      Works for me, and has done for almost 20 years. It is not always perfect, but it is consistently infinitely less imperfect than $MS. It's the reason I changed in the first place.

    3. James Anderson

      Re: There's never a penalty for Microsoft.

      To be fair Apple knows the exact spec of every machine running MacOS. MS is supporting hardware from a hundred or so manufacturers using some permutation of 20 processor chips and god knows how many graphics chips.

      It’s pretty much impossible for them to test for all the thousands of different hardware configurations out there.

      1. ThatOne Silver badge
        WTF?

        Re: There's never a penalty for Microsoft.

        So they don't test any of them. Logical.

  5. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Blessing

    Sounds like the end of support for Windows 10 will be a blessing in disguise for those who stay on it.

    1. Alumoi Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Blessing

      Care to bet the last update will bork all Win10 systems?

      1. ThatOne Silver badge

        Re: Blessing

        Makes me think of the writing on that old clock face: "They all hurt, the last kills"

        It was talking about hours, but it works for Windows updates too.

  6. James O'Shea Silver badge

    _You_ might be sure

    that Microsoft is working on fixes for the problems. I have my doubts. I also feel that even if they are working on fixes, they won't have the fixes ready in time for Patch Tuesday, and they will emit the patches anyway, ready or not. They're Microsoft. It's what they do.

    I shall be spending the weekend setting up images for my home and office WinBoxes. And I will probably wait to install patches until at least Friday. Just to see how bad things really are. This is being typed on a Win10 box which will not, repeat, NOT be going to Win11.

    Now, where did I put that Acronis key...

  7. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Flame

    "These previews are released early to" . .

    . . ensure that users can beta test it and report on the issues.

    Because Redmond doesn't test anymore. Why should it ? It's reputation doesn't seem to suffer no matter how many times it fucks up.

    And my God does it fuck up.

    1. ITMA Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: "These previews are released early to" . .

      Personally I think Nadella is trying to ape Elliot Carver, the Bond villian from Tomorrow Never Dies:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm4Rll9axkQ

      A challenge for the Registeriate - produce an A.I. video of Satya Nadella sitting in a big leather chair, stroking a white Persian cat saying "No Mr Bond, I expect you to DIE!!!!"

      1. Zoopy

        Re: "These previews are released early to" . .

        > stroking a white Persian cat saying "No Mr Bond, I expect you to DIE!!!!"

        Respectfully, that line came from Goldfinger, not Blofeld / Dr. Evil.

        1. ITMA Silver badge
          Devil

          Re: "These previews are released early to" . .

          Correct - but none of the actual Blofeld lines sound anything like as good..... :)

  8. Teejay

    A general trend

    Considering how absolutely borked the final release of Mac OS Sequoia is, I see a trend at both Microsoft and Apple.

    The reasons I suspect are:

    - misunderstood Agile as a means to simply save costs

    - focus on non-core issues like AI

    - DEI ad nauseam leading to less competent programmers

    - and outsourcing.

    1. Zazu56

      Re: A general trend

      I'm on an M2 MacBook Air and upgraded to Sequoia a couple of weeks ago.

      So far nothing to report.

      Upgrade went flawlessly and not a glitch since.

    2. Ace2 Silver badge

      Re: A general trend

      DEI results in lower software quality? Go dunk your head in a portajohn.

    3. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: A general trend

      DEI is not a thing in India which if I'm not mistaken, is where most dev for MS is outsourced to these days.

      As for FRAGILE.... Apart from being a great album by 'Yes', as a dev methodology it sucks big time especially if messed up with SCRUM and an unwillingness to deal with technical debt.

      I'm so glad that I got out of the dev game w.r.t Microsoft.

      1. Zazu56

        Re: A general trend

        Upvote for Yes. Great band

        1. captain veg Silver badge

          Re: A general trend

          Indeed, but Fragile was just a warm up for Close to the Edge.

          -A.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Rinse and Repeat

    Microsoft updates seem to follow this path far too often. All responsible need to be fired, unless they are all Interns, of course. The buck stops with you Nadella. Stop dripping on about AI/Copilot/adverts etc, and fix the root of the OS.

  10. Who-me

    Interesting...I've had it installed on two Intels & and AMD, all Win 11 Pro 23H2, for several days now. Not a single problem.

    1. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Have you tried turning it on?

      1. Who-me

        Yes, all three. I'm typing this on one of the Intels and I was on the AMD earlier today.

        1. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge

          With respect, you are one user, with 3 PCs. Hardly representative of the Windows world. Even if it doesn't bork everyone's PC, I'm not sure that's actually better.

  11. Jim 68

    Windows 11 Patch Tuesday preview is a glitchy disaster

    When DEC was running TOPS-10 they required regression testing for any patch.

    Microsoft just throws it at the wall and sees if it sticks.

    1. Andy The Hat

      Re: Windows 11 Patch Tuesday preview is a glitchy disaster

      "testing"?

      May I express my most sincere contrafibularites on the expectation of similar semantics appearing in any MS development procedure.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Windows 11 Patch Tuesday preview is a glitchy disaster

        To Microsoft: "Testing, I do not thing this word means what you think it means."

  12. Yes Me
    Happy

    In control again

    I recently installed InControl and have never been happier.

    1. cantankerous swineherd

      Re: In control again

      Steve Gibson still going!

      one of the el reg columnists really didn't like him back in the day.

  13. Piro

    Your regular reminder that Microsoft thinks this is funny and worth it

    After all, they fired an enormous number of testers back in 2014.

  14. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    Who's MS going to blame this time?

  15. Blogitus Maximus
    Stop

    Who?

    "However, the update should fix Microsoft Edge not responding to requests to use Internet Explorer mode. Assuming it can be installed."

    Who is this mythical user who uses Edge and cares one iota about installing this faux fix? Just stop.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Who?

      >> Who is this mythical user who uses Edge

      where I work went all Chrome after IE but have now mandated that it will be Edge from now on as it is almost the same, but as they are just about totally a M$ shop I guess that makes sense to them as M$ knows everything about them already.....

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Windows 11....is a glitchy disaster" , that was an easy one!

  17. cookiecutter Silver badge

    Never patch on day 1

    As ever another example of the con that's been laid on the tech industry that we have allowed to happen. Microshit & other vendors don't test. Release faulty products & expect the customer to take all the risk & test their software for them! And SOMEHOW in the 21st century this is seen as normal.

    The ONLY time you should need to patch is to add functionality NOT to repair a faulty product yet wait for the...all software has bugs or the underlying products might be faulty.....thank fuck you guys don't make planes!

    How many $millions of customer money is being wasted on patching infrastructure? Purely because tech vendors don't want to spend money on testing

    1. druck Silver badge

      Re: Never patch on day 1

      When Microsoft insists on mixing critical security patches, general bug fixing and new 'features' in one bundle, you are damned if you do install on day one, and damned if you don't.

      The only winners are those who don't play Microsoft's enshitification game.

  18. David 155

    Sign me out

    "the sign-out command is added to the account manager in the Start Menu."

    Would that be the same command they took away / buried in a sub menu just a couple of months ago?

    I just dont know how they manage to keep coming up with this stuff.

    1. Ace2 Silver badge

      Re: Sign me out

      They would have fewer regressions if they slowed down the pointless fiddling.

  19. PM.

    Agile !!!!!!1!!111!

  20. ComicalEngineer Silver badge

    I remember that the first year or so of Win10 updates used to break our office printer set up - every single time.

    Why should Win11 be any different at borking machines? After all M$ have had more time to practice.

  21. DavidMil81

    It's always the same with Microsoft, which is why I love my Linux system.

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