Watch your mirrors: Tesla Cybertrucks have 'Full' 'Self Driving' now Owners of Tesla's Cybertruck are reporting that a software update enabling the self-styled Full Self Driving (FSD) has become an option for their giant rolling wedges of stainless steel. A post on the Cybertruck Owners Club Forum Sunday indicated that some lucky Cybertruck owners received an over-the-air software update …
Keep your hands on the wheel, in other words. Tesla does require drivers to remain in control while in FSD mode.
Given that the steering is by wire, unlike traditional direct mechanical linkage, hopefully the steering input is not going to get damped by the computer... (or even faied totally)
James May driving a (non-FSD) Cybertruck...
Agreed. I don't think this should be legal, and critical components like steering and braking should be fail-safe, or as fail-safe as possible. Rich Rebuilds just did a video on his Fisker EV and one of the quirks he mentioned was with the regenerative braking. Apparently that can be variable, so unpredictable and could cause collisions. Which I guess is a risk with any EV that has this feature and people rely on regenerative rather than traditional braking.
Don't fly on an Airbus A320 then.
What Jonathan said. Or don't fly on a Boing because in some well publicised crashes, some of their automation and fly-by-wire systems lead to those crashes. Plus EVs tend to be driven by idiots, some of whom may think 'full sef-driving' means they're no longer in control of their vehicles and can have a snooze while they're 'driving'. The law, and coroners disagree. If I'm driving, I at least want to have some control over my destiny.
"Don't fly on an Airbus A320 then."
Large passenger jets have long past the point where an aircraft could be controlled by human strength alone. There was hydraulic assist and if that failed, the plane might be doomed so eliminating the wire ropes wasn't a giant step.
I've already seen a bunch of photos and videos of the steering having gone wrong. Rich Rebuilds even did a demo of the 4 wheel steering vs a "full size SUV" and it was worse doing a U'y with the CT. The Cybertruck is a huge vehicle and for all of that size, is less useful than a proper full size pickup truck.
I'm not sure if the regulations are still in place in the US, but ages ago there were some designs/concepts for a semi-truck with a turbine-hybrid drive train that couldn't be built due to a requirement that the engine be mechanically coupled to the drive wheels. The worry was that there could be uncontrolled runaways and no redundancy for slowing/stopping. There may need to be regulations that require a triple redundant system for vehicles with steer by wire. There will also be a need for cranes to retrieve cars that have failed since there may be no way to get them on a tow truck. A video of a CT with steering issues showed the front wheels going all over the place.
Which I guess is a risk with any EV that has this feature and people rely on regenerative rather than traditional braking
My Toyota C-HR has regen braking and it works fairly well. Took me a while to get used to it though as it doesn't taper off as smoothly as manual braking so it's harder to not stop with a jerk.
Other than that, no complaints.
Typical bullshit: market it as one thing, but slap a condition on it to avoid liability.
Calling something self-driving while requiring operators to be in control at the same time sounds like misrepresentation and could, in the land of the free litigious lead to the odd class action suit. And I can imagine more than a few of the idiots who buy this overpriced tin can happy to take up the challenge.
Does the current version of 'Full' Self-Driving still home in on fire trucks? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tesla-driver-killed-plowing-firetruck-northern-california-freeway-rcna71436
I love this bit:
"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is investigating how Tesla’s Autopilot system detects and responds to emergency vehicles parked on highways. At least 14 Teslas have crashed into emergency vehicles while using the system."
In Broward County, just south of me, the County Fire-Rescue guys are part of the Sheriff's Office. The Sheriff in Broward, like all sheriffs in the US, takes a really dim view of those who assault his deputies.
This should be fun. <gets popcorn>
He has been told to love his cybertruck by his handler. Whether he actually does so is unknown and irrelevant (although with that, uh, oversized ego I'd say "yes"). The effort to paint it as a personal gift from Musk to his closest buddies makes it plain that it's first and foremost a propaganda piece.
Kadyrov is Putin's useful idiot.
Think you have that a bit mixed up - Ramzan Kadyrov is essentially a dictator of the Chechen autonomous state within Russia. Putin knows that at any time (before Kadyrov got probably fatally ill) Kadyrov could incite another Chechen rebellion, which at the moment increases Kadyrov's power further as Moscow couldn't handle a rebellion plus the "special military operation" right now.
Why else do you think the Chechen "fighters" in Ukraine never get anywhere near any of the action, being instead used for border defence and for boosting inter-country relationships by training troops in Belarus? Recently when some of the border defence troops got killed when Ukraine pushed into Kursk region their unit got immediately withdrawn from the front lines, and Putin sent personal messages of condolence along with Kadyrov IIRC.
It's true that Putin has a use for Kadyrov, which is that Kadyrov keeps the Chechens on side, but this is in exchange for oodles of cash whenever Kadyrov asks for it, and a free hand to run Chechnya however Kadyrov wants.
What will be interesting to see is when Kadyrov dies (he's been looking increasingly ill of late and has much reduced his public appearances, now requiring aides to don and remove his coat for him) who will succeed him? He of course will have his own views on his successor, as will Putin, but there's a large faction of Chechen warlords subordinated to Kadyrov who will also have an opinion on the subject which may well destabilise the province.
Kadyrov could incite another Chechen rebellion, which at the moment increases Kadyrov's power further as Moscow couldn't handle a rebellion plus the "special military operation" right now.
Or we could incite another rebellion.
Why else do you think the Chechen "fighters" in Ukraine never get anywhere near any of the action, being instead used for border defence and for boosting inter-country relationships by training troops in Belarus? Recently when some of the border defence troops got killed when Ukraine pushed into Kursk region their unit got immediately withdrawn from the front lines,
Chechen units have been fighting on the front lines and took part in actions like the storming of Bahkmut. Kadyrov may have.. exagerated his own role in those actions. But an advantage Russia has over Ukraine is the ability to rotate forces away from the front lines to rest them. So Chechens were rotated out to Kursk and with ex-Wagner into training roles in Belarus, as opposed to Ukrainian forces like their 72nd, who've been holding Ugledar for 2 years of very heavy fighting and have now been pretty much eliminated. But there are politics, ie Chechens liberating Kursk may not have been a good look. Ukraines forces in that misadventure have been pretty much encircled there now, and if they can't retreat before the rains start, will probably remain there.
But such is politics. For this subject, it should be more about how Kadyrov managed to get hold of a Cybertruck given they're not sold in Russia, and AFAIK would be illegal for sale in the EU. But answer is probably much the same way other vehicles end up in containers and exported from the US.
Kadyrov's fighters main role in Ukraine is ensuring the Russian troops don't try to escape from the front. They hate the "Russian lice" far more than the Ukrainians, although they are very much up for raping the locals while they are there.
Had they tested this "Full Self Driving" technology in Naples, I do not think an average of one intervention every 13 miles would have been achieved. Once every 13 seconds in rush hour seems like a better estimate. Lovely place, absolutely great pizza (and other delicious food), but driving there poses ... interesting challenges, even to a seasoned driver.
Once self-driving cars navigate Neapolitan or similar chaotic traffic without incident, we can really speak of FSD.
Mexico City. Lots and lots of Volkswagen Bug taxis driving at just subsonic speeds taking corners on one or two wheels and totally ignoring anything even resembling a traffic rule. http://guanajuatomexicocity.com/Im/mexico-city/mexico-city-taxi.jpg No, the little flags on the side are not a scorecard. I think.
I see your Naples and raise you Lagos…
Or, if you are on a motorbike, anywhere in Belgium. Never have I felt so vulnerable as riding in Belgium and I grew up riding bikes in central London..
You appear to be utterly invisible to drivers there. Unlike in France and Germany where, in general, motorbikes are well treated. Germany - probably because only the well off can afford to run a powerful bike and France, probably because pretty everyone starts off on a scooter.
Belgium is a bit special – they didn't introduce compulsory driving tests until the 1970s! I remember seeing a car reverse back onto the motorway from an exit ramp (though I've seen far worse in the US). But if you're a cyclist, they'll give you more room than they'll give a car and happily wait behind you if the road is narrow, or you're turning left. Those road surfaces mind you…
Motorbikes are roadkill waiting to happen pretty much anywhere – the special accident hospital near here is nicknamed the Kawasaki Clinic!
One of the most entertaining 30 mins we spent in Naples was watching a completely gridlocked traffic intersection. Everyone leaning on their horns and yelling, and hardly anything moved as the traffic lights cycled back and forth between red and green. Hilarious.
Also the mother and her two small children on the same moped, all three of them eating cream cakes as they sped past.
Also the two guys on a moped, with the passenger carrying what looked like a full size door...
Yeah FSD will never work outside of the "laboratory" setting of the USA.
Here in rural Scotland we have a lot of single track roads. Not wide enough for two cars to pass but there are wider passing places every few hundred yards. The trick is to gauge your speed such that you meet oncoming vehicles at the passing places. Get it wrong and someone has to reverse. That'll probably come in FSD version eleventy million....
Worse moped loading I've seen was in Bangkok maybe 15 years ago - four people on the motorbike seat, but the bike had a long pole running the length of the bike, over the handle-bars - and there was a guy hanging upside-down from that, over the front wheel. I wasn't even horrified, I was genuinely impressed the rider could keep their balance.
It’s a matter of density. A spawn used to work at Highland Hotels on the shore of Loch Awe. The turnoff of the road to Oban was single track and the turnofffs to each Hotel ditto. American midwest tourist gets off plane uses Google Maps to guide a rental car. Beyond Crianlarich if they get that far things get interesting.
The two lane road along the north side of Loch Tay becomes intermittently narrowed by bridges over burns. Timing the approach to those wrt oncoming cars is an art. I wouldn’t trust an AI to notice the bridge and plow into it. They don’t have railings.
"Timing the approach to those wrt oncoming cars is an art. I wouldn’t trust an AI to notice the bridge and plow into it. "
It wasn't that long ago a road I was on had road works going on (not that day) and was narrowed to one lane with signals on either side to meter the traffic through the one remaining lane. Good luck trying to FSD that.
Here in the south-west of England we have a lot of single track roads. Not wide enough for two cars to pass, and there are few passing places, and stone-built overgrown hedges 6-8 feet high on each side. The frequent bends are such that you have no clue there is an oncoming vehicle until it appears 20 metres in front of you. Reversing is frequent; one journey I undertook recently, admittedly on back lanes and to avoid flooding elsewhere, involved a total of at least half a mile of reversing.
On the other hand, it won't be a problem for Cybertruck. It wouldn't fit between the hedges.
Young person asked me recently why I wouldn’t want a sports car. I did not reply that putting a large sea kayak on one would be tricky. I pointed out they don’t do road humps. It is not possible to get to my place of work without crossing a road hump. Traffic calming, 20mph Secondary, Primary & Nursery.
On the other hand, it won't be a problem for Cybertruck. It wouldn't fit between the hedges.
Cornish hedges or Devon hedges? According to my wife (born in Devon of a Cornish father and related to half of Helston) they are quite different.
Mind you, those two counties seem to be proud of their many differences.
I left a swimming pool in the Italian Tyrol at the same time as a local woman. Little carpark with a 6' high (2m) brick wall and a narrow entrance onto a rural B road - no pavements quite fast traffic.
As I watch she steps into her car, and turns on the engine - while still having one foot on the pavement and shutting the door. Then without a pause - simply foot in, close door, reverse out of her parking space and at about 15-20 mph straight out of the blind entrance onto the road - still reversing. Across the oncoming lane and backwards onto her lane and drives off. Fortunately there was nothing coming - but she had no way of knowing that. Unless she had a spotter on the wall with a walkie-talkie that I didn't notice...
That was a proper heart-in-mouth waiting for the screech of crushing metal moment.
Once heard an press conference with an Italian transport minister on the BBC. Asked about reducing speeds to improve road safety he said, "but Italy has excellent orthopaedic surgeries."
There was a controversial study comparing driving accident stats in Catholic vs Protestant parts of Europe. You can do that wrt German States. Turns out Catholic countries have significantly higher rates. It was put down to the fact that Catholics get their sins cancelled in confession and penance. This fosters a devil may care attitude.
Protestants don’t get that and some sects even say only a sinless elect can ascend to heaven. Creates more respect for the law and rules generally.
How about secular drivers? Like practically most of them?
The Godless heathens have no moral code, hence no respect for other drivers and all drive like maniacs. This is why the roads are so much more dangerous now than they were in the 16th Century - when you had to attend church by law.
I don't know on which roads these tests were conducted, but clearly on the roads in Europe the self driving fails every other change of road. It is odd to measure the distance, since driving along a perfectly straight line is possible for hundreds of miles. But clearly it's the change of the situation which is an issue for the autonomous driving. Easy tasks like identifying the markings on the road go bad in 6 out of 10 times. Identifying a vehicle which is 50 meters far upfront waiting to turn left, triggers a steep deceleration although the car is on a different lane.
Whatever they'd like to make you think, autonomous driving is as far away as nuclear fusion ...
A normal UK cat B driving licence gained before 1997 allows for driving vehicles up to 8,250kg. After 1997 the limit is 3500kg.
The Cybertruck is about 3100kg.
The limits change if the vehicles are driven professionally for reward, but the Cybertruck is not too heavy for a normal UK licence as long as the occupants and cargo are not porkers in the case of post 1997 licenses.
Those are not adjectives that I would like to describe my driving experience.
I'll keep my ICE car until the industry delivers to me a car that doesn't have a steering wheel, where I can just give the destination and take a nap, or read a book.
Until then, as long as I am responsible, I'm the one driving, thank you.
What do you mean by "consumables"? To most drivers that's things like oil, filters, brake pads and discs, tyres. And a lot of those are still needed for hybrids and EVs.
I suspect you might mean fuel. If so, that's a hell of a lot of mileage for the fuel cost in one or two years to exceed the purchase price of a new EV. And surely you mean purchase price, not build price, since that's the only relevant price for drivers.
"What do you mean by "consumables"? To most drivers that's things like oil, filters, brake pads and discs, tyres. And a lot of those are still needed for hybrids and EVs."
Cabin filter is the same, but various other filters aren't there, no oil, brakes are rarely used, tyres about the same.
But the biggest by far is fuel...
"And surely you mean purchase price"
Never mentioned price....
The original post was:
"I fail to see the environmental benefits"
And yes, extracting, transporting, refining, transporting, burning fuel is more damaging than building a new car.
But most people don't buy new cars at all - and those who do rarely keep them for very long.
So new cars aren't replacing cars which are a few years old, because those cars are sold on to someone else, replacing a slightly older car, which is sold on...
From an environmental perspective you're therefore replacing a 15 year old car which is at end of life anyway - and quite probably reusing bits of it (as it gets split for cheap repairs) and then recycling various bits as well.
> brakes are rarely used
Greater risk of ceasing..
> tyres about the same.
Current generation of EVs require more chunky tyres and are more likely to be steel reinforced. What this means, in the event of a run flat there is much greater chance of damage to the steel beads resulting in replacement of the whole tyre rather than repair. (Just had a lesson in this…)
> From an environmental perspective you're therefore replacing a 15 year old car which is at end of life anyway
Yes and no, my last car was 16 years old with 260,000 miles, however, now having got my self more familiar with more modern cars, I’ve found many ‘eco’ engines are so highly tuned they forecast a life of 200,000 miles rather than 300,000; which is a big issue, likewise the amount of electrics now controlling stuff; basically I expect to scrap a modern car after 8~10 years.
> brakes are rarely used
Greater risk of ceasing..
I assume you mean seizing - depends how the regen is configured - so long as you apply the brakes occasionally it shouldn't be an issue, but you probably do need to actively do this if the car doesn't do it for you. Not an issue I've come across, but single person relatively short duration stats aren't particularly valuable.
> tyres about the same.
Current generation of EVs require more chunky tyres and are more likely to be steel reinforced. What this means, in the event of a run flat there is much greater chance of damage to the steel beads resulting in replacement of the whole tyre rather than repair. (Just had a lesson in this…)
Car tyres in general are significantly more chunky nowadays
I can't recall the last time I had a tyre failure on a car, actually I can - it was ~a decade ago, caused by a failed suspension spring putting an unrepairable hole in the sidewall. It did that as we tried to put it onto a recovery trailer at home. The previous tyre issue I had was a screw in the tyre which "clicked" all the way to the tyre shop and was trivially repaired (and would still be, pretty much irrespective of the tyre construction.
Again - single person stats aren't that valuable even with a slightly longer duration. But the fact that many cars nowadays don't come with a spare tyre, and I see very few people changing wheels at the side of the road suggests that it's a rarer issue on the road than it used to be.
>Car tyres in general are significantly more chunky nowadays
SUV’s etc. heavier than your standard car (eg. Ford focus).
> The previous tyre issue I had was a screw in the tyre which "clicked" all the way to the tyre shop and was trivially repaired
That is what I had, only the screw didn’t seal the hole, hence the controlled stop from 70mph was enough to wreck the (4 week old) tyre - causing the tyre wall to delaminate.
Interestingly, none of my local mobile tyre fitters repair tyres now, they only replace.
> I can't recall the last time I had a tyre failure on a car
In the last 12 months, I have replaced 3 tyres due to “potholes”/road surface giving way…
But in general I agree, ignoring the potholes, it has been years and several tens of thousands of miles since I’ve had need for a spare wheel or the “wheel in a can” puncture repair kit that is provided with many cars.
Wow - yes, an SUV (ICE or EV) needs chunkier tyres than a fiesta.
That's hardly news, but it's part of a disturbing trend over the last twenty to thirty years of cars getting heavier and heavier.
"That is what I had, only the screw didn’t seal the hole, hence the controlled stop from 70mph was enough to wreck the (4 week old) tyre"
Ouch - that's not good, I'd rather suspect that there was a manufacturing defect if the tyre can't survive stopping.
"In the last 12 months, I have replaced 3 tyres due to “potholes”/road surface giving way…"
That feels unreasonably high... tempted to go full on sarcastic... oh go on then: <sarcasm>skill issue?</sarcasm>
> I'd rather suspect that there was a manufacturing defect if the tyre can't survive stopping.
Depends on what you mean by “survive”..
A good tyre will deform and put tyre between rim and road, without air the extent of deformation and vehicle weight will cause the tyre to fold rather than flex, so whilst y tyre was a write off, my alloy rims weren’t scratched.
>” That feels unreasonably high... tempted to go full on sarcastic... oh go on then: <sarcasm>skill issue?</sarcasm>”
:))
agree!, the roads round here have been really bad. But over the summer things have got a lot better, even so I’m sure anyone following me on the last 4 miles to my home would be convinced I had been drinking from the way my car wanders across the road, avoiding potholes I know are there; I have smiled several times when a bumper hogger doesn’t follow my movements and suddenly they are way behind and rapidly pulling off the road…
NZ houses are designed NOT to fall down on your head in earthquakes. Nobody has died in a domestic house due to that (in the big Kaikoura Quake one elderly gent died of a heart attack as their Christchurch Quake damaged old farmhouse fell down around them but not on them.
The killer is that the house may get red stickered afterwards meaning you can’t live in it. Whole areas in ChCh were red zoned and have become parkland. That was the effect of liquifaction. Bad place to build.
Our first bought house in Dunedin down in the South was on the former salt marsh which became market gardens which became enforced low rise suburbia. When it rained & it was high tide pools of water would form in the garden. We were separated from 2miles of golden sand Pacific surf beach by high wide compacted sand dunes. Roads on part, a heritage rail on the rest. Playing fields. We lay in bed at night being lulled to sleep by the surf.
Similar here in California ... 1989's "Loma Prieta" quake was a 6.9. The epicenter was approximately 30 miles SSE of my home in Palo Alto. 42 of the 57 deaths in that quake were on Oakland's Cypress Structure on I880 (about 35 miles North of me), 5 of the remainder were in a brick wall collapse in San Francisco (also about 35 miles North of me). Both had been flagged as probably unsafe in general, never mind earthquakes, and were due for removal or retrofit. That leaves a whopping 10 deaths caused directly by the quake, in a major Urban area, with around 6,000,000 people living in it (guesstimate, from 1990 census data). My house[0] was untouched, as were the rest of the houses in my neighborhood. No red-tags, either.
Seems modern construction and retrofit techniques actually work. Whodathunkit.
[0] Stick-built on a slab in the 1930s, retrofitted in the early 1980s with bolts between the sticks and the slab, and some wall reinforcement in places.
"I'll keep my ICE car until the industry delivers to me a car that doesn't have a steering wheel, where I can just give the destination and take a nap, or read a book."
You seem to be describing a train. The difference being that you can't specify an arbitrary destination.
As time goes on, I am becoming more of a train fan. There's the reading, napping, working and just plain wasting time that I find balances the sometimes slower pace of trains. Before high speed rail, it might be good to work on getting rid of as many level crossings, improving the track and limiting stops at the least used stations. If it takes 1.5 hours on the train vs. 1hr in the car, it sounds slower, but in the car I have to pay attention to driving and can't do anything else. On the train I've been able to work for 1.5 hours (if I have work to do that can be done on the train). I was watching a travel vid last night where the presenter (downielive) took the Caledonian Sleeper from Glascow to London. A cheaper ticket could be had, but he got a small sleeping accommodation, breakfast and saved a waking day of travel. I see that as a free extra day of holiday. He could have hired a car and driven, but that would have been much more expensive.
As it stands, sounds like the worst of both worlds; when I'm driving I'm always in full control, I strongly dislike the idea of letting FSD control the vehicle knowing I may need to step in suddenly at any moment to seize control from it. I'd either end up a nervous wreck being hyper vigilant or become complacent. Either outcome isn't desirable.
Come on, dude. Those are assistive technologies that step in when you need them, they don't instantaneously abdicate control and expect you to seamlessly take over with no warning. Any driver aid that switches itself off at the moment you need it most has no place on the public roads.
A) I'm clearly being (somewhat) facetious
B) I take serious issue with claiming they step in when you need them
I've had a fairly lucky escape from ABS being downright dangerous in the past (it's really not good on snow, where you *want* to lock up enough to gather some snow under the wheels - preferably of course only locking up the rear, but that particular car had a front wheel handbrake).
At the moment it's just an aid - and one I'd really appreciate (having had some more basic versions in the past)
However they're getting to the point where they can do an awful lot of driving themselves - and that's where we start to get really interesting.
.Exactly. They are promoting a dangerous mode of operation:
If you need to take over suddenly, it's not a case of just being there to yank the steering wheel - you need to be fully aware of the situation you are in, and react appropriately. If you need to do that, you may as well be driving yourself - in fact, you'd be better off driving yourself, because even with the best intentions, if the car is self driving, you are more likely to miss details however astute you try to be.
> The gear shift?
Whilst I like a full manual, even electric cars have gear shifts, just that they may only switch between: park, forward, reverse.
My point was, your muscle memory remembers where controls are and the movements necessary to use them.
However, for the muscle memory to work, it has to be trained…
Can I legally get in the car drunk and have it take me home?
If not, it's not self driving or autopilot or anything else that marketing call it to imply it is.
Also does anyone want to start a sweepstake on how long it will take for an autopiloted Deplorian to twat the back of a blue light vehicle?
I recall there was a case a while back in the UK where a man found passed out drunk on a horse successfully argued in court that he was not "drunk on any highway or other public place in charge of any carriage, horse or cattle” (Licensing Act 1872) - he was out cold, the horse was the one in charge.
:: shakes fist :: Curse you and your earworms! :D :D :D
(YT link to the song itself- Seven Little Girls Sitting in the Back Seat )
"The confidence (and often, competence) with which [Tesla FSD] undertakes complex driving tasks lulls users into believing that it is a thinking machine – with its decisions and performance based on a sophisticated assessment of risk (and the user's wellbeing)," AMCI said.
But errors are frequent, the firm warned, and when they occur they're often "sudden, dramatic and dangerous."
"In those circumstances, it is unlikely that a driver without their hands on the wheel will be able to intervene in time to prevent an accident – or possibly a fatality," AMCI found.
I have been saying that for years. That remains the most dangerous myth surrounding FSD, that a driver can magically acquire sufficient situational awareness in the few seconds between de vehicle handing back control because of a problem and the problem becoming a catastrophy. Remember, it wants you to take over because it has discovered something too complex for it to handle so it's going to be complicated;
Once it has handed back control His Muskiness can blame the subsequent drama on you, and Tesla gets the Shaggy defense. Well done, you fell for that one.
"That remains the most dangerous myth surrounding FSD, that a driver can magically acquire sufficient situational awareness in the few seconds between de vehicle handing back control because of a problem and the problem becoming a catastrophy"
No - that's never been the way that you have that awareness... you are required to maintain awareness, and the eye tracking will nag you if you aren't at least pretending to.
Running commentary is always a good way to maintain that awareness
So if Tesla 'Full Self Driving' still requires a meat bag driver to monitor the road, what does Musk plan on calling it should Tesla ever actually get Level 5 true autonomous driving 'For real this time full self driving'?
Personally I don't really see the point in having this half way house version of self driving, especially as you still have to pay as much attention to what is happening on the road as you would do if manually driving the car, and have to fork out extra money for the privilege.
I took my Tesla on the ferry recently, After disembarking it took it 4 hours to realise it was in Spain rather than driving cross country in southern England and across the English channel. This was despite charging at a Spanish supercharger. Full self driving seems unlikely for a long, long time.
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