back to article Forget the Kia Boyz: Crooks could hijack your car with just a smartphone

Put away that screwdriver and USB charging cable – the latest way to steal a Kia just requires a cellphone and the victim's license plate number. Sam Curry, who previously demonstrated remote takeover vulnerabilities in a range of brands – from Toyota to Rolls Royce – found this vulnerability in vehicles as old as model year …

  1. FirstTangoInParis Silver badge

    Why so long?

    I wondered how long it would be before someone found a way in to modern cars with apps. Works both ways. The owner knows where the car is, and can turn it on or off and other party tricks, but surely it’s just more layers of tech just waiting to be hacked?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Connectivity

    Of course all modern cars in the EU are now supposed to be permanently connected, but if we're talking an exploit going back as far as 2014 then it would only likely have been for a few top-of-the-range models at the time, because most required you to plug in to the OBD2 interface, and even the entertainment systems generally required a separate mobile phone hotspot for connectivity.

    1. hoola Silver badge

      Re: Connectivity

      What I understand on my VW is that the SIM card is active for the first 3 years, you then have to pay some sort of subscription.

      I have not found any way of turning it off :(

      Even with the "Privacy" set to maximum I believe it is sending far too much unnecessary data.

      1. dippy1

        Re: Connectivity

        So one answer is don't buy a new car......buy a 3 year old one.

        1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

          My answer is keep that car running, the one you bought in 2010 (or before).

          1. J. Cook Silver badge

            Yup.

            I have something of a manifesto on what my ideal next vehicle would be; the problem is that it doesn't exist, at least not in mass production.

            It boils down to:

            give me buttons for all major controls- do not put it all on a single, multi-thousand dollar tablet that can disable the car by putting a brick through it, or get trashed by ~140 degree heat (Arizona summers, yo.)

            NO SUBSCRIPTION FEATURES. The sole exception might be satellite radio, and not even then. Bluetooth is OK for CarPlay.

        2. tip pc Silver badge

          Re: Connectivity

          my car was made in May 2020, even though the complimentary airtime has run out, it still reports telemetry to its creator.

          The app shows me miles covered, tyre pressures, battery & fuel level.

          if i pay for their services i can restore remote opening, tracking, map updates & traffic etc but its truly not worth the £30 a month they want for the package of useful features.

        3. druck Silver badge

          Re: Connectivity

          Car buying MUST NOT HAVE's

          1. Any sort of remote app or connectivity that can't be disabled

          2. Large touchscreen instead of physical controls

          1. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge

            Re: Connectivity

            Gotta wonder what it would actually take for manufacturers to stop putting the common functions like ventilation and AC in the touch screen. Go back to physical buttons. And not just in the screen, but elsewhere on the dash - VW, I'm looking at you with your dumbass touch sliders for heater controls. Which don't illuminate at night! (Although in the some of the newest models they have at least illuminated them, but it's still a stupid idea).

            A few are maybe starting to get the message, and removing some of the more stupid touch functionality, but it's not enough. Anything you have to take your eyes off the road to operate is outright dangerous and ought to be banned. And I'm not usually in favour of banning things, but this insanity has to stop. It can't be much less distracting than reading a short text message on your mobile, and we made that illegal.

            How hard is it to mandate that all new cars sold must have physical, non-touch-sensitive controls for essential functions? Controls you can find by feel and muscle memory, and must be illuminated.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Connectivity

        Cut off it's tweeter?

        Most of these systems aren't essential to the working of the vehicle, so with a little research you can probably unplug the antenna or SIM/cellular module. Unless it throws the car in limp home mode you may be able to live with a nagging dash warning or check engine scan code.

    2. TheBruce

      Re: Connectivity

      Just read about how in a matter of minutes you can remove the backup camera, insert apass thru device on the cable, and then reattach the camera. You now have a powered wirrlrss device with full access to the CAN bus.

      1. J. Cook Silver badge

        Re: Connectivity

        OR THE HEADLIGHTS.

        (I know, the obvious question is "WHY DO THE F^&KING HEADLIGHTS NEED CANBUS ACCESS!?!?!!?" Well, dimming, daytime running lights, turn signals, it's all integrated into that one hefty module, and since there's electronics on it, it has to be on the CANbus for the body control module to talk to.)

        This is also why replacing the taillight on a brand new, modern Ford F-150 costs several thousand dollars, because not only are they canbus equipment, they are also serial number matched like fricking apple products.

        1. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge

          Re: Connectivity

          Even with all those functions, you could still handle it with multiple wires feeding individual functions. A multiplug. Like cars used to have. Zero need for it to be on the canbus.

          Can't really be about saving weight... how much is actually saved by replacing some wires with a module (which has to be hardened to survive vibration and exposure)?

          Saving time during the build perhaps? But then whether your techs route one wire or a thicker bundle following the same path doesn't really make any difference either.

          So... just because...?

  3. Dinanziame Silver badge
    Windows

    hacking public companies prior to their earnings announcements to steal information used to make money in the stock market.

    Well good luck with that — half of the time the stock crashes despite companies announcing earnings above expectations. It's almost like the stock market is acting completely randomly

  4. theOtherJT Silver badge

    Yet another reason...

    ...to keep old cars running.

    My current daily is from 2005. It's nearly 20 years old. OK, it gets 24mpg on a good day which isn't ideal, but other than that I am yet to find anything that a newer car would do for me that it doesn't and there is precisely zero need for it to be connected to the internet to do anything. I get in and out by walking up to it, getting the key out, pressing the button on the key. I'm going to need to have the key on me anyway to start the bloody thing, so is it really such a hardship to have to take it out of my pocket and press a button?

    I keep thinking "It's really old, I should replace it" but... why? What on earth would I be getting - other than better fuel economy - that I actually want? Sure, at some point it will develop a terminal case of rust that will cost more to repair than I can justify, but when I compare it to my mother's car which is 15 years newer, what I mostly think is "Thank god mine doesn't do that" every time it beeps at me for something.

    "You're reversing!" ...I know. I just put it in reverse.

    "You're speeding!" ...I know. I'm overtaking that bus.

    "You've left the door open for more than 2 minutes!" ...I know. I'm loading the shopping.

    Every bloody thing you do it beeps! I know the door is open. I know I'm in reverse. I know I don't have my seatbelt on. I know the traction control is off. Just shut up with the god-damned beeping!

    1. JoeCool Silver badge

      Re: Yet another reason...

      you know what kills me ? the rapid progression of audio warning tech ...

      1985 : "your door is a jar"

      2025 : beep. beeeeep. beep-beep. beep beep beep.

      really this is the best we can do today?

  5. MatthewSt Silver badge

    App?

    I wish Kia would commission them to write actual app. It doesn't do half the stuff they were able to do and even with the things it can do it fails half the time.

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