back to article Bending the rules with flexible non-silicon 32-bit RISC-V chip

Brit chipmaker Pragmatic Semiconductor has created a 32-bit microprocessor in a "flexible technology that is fully functional while flexed." The Flex-RV processor isn't about winning performance benchmarks, but creating a new bending compute solution to fit in unconventional places. That said, it does include a programmable …

  1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Pint

    Impressive

    But they missed the chance to test with "Hellord"

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Impressive

      (And I managed to misspell 'Hellorld'... D'oh!)

  2. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

    Power

    The important number missing is the power requirements: 5.8mW at 3V. We have got used to power scaling with frequency but this tech dates back to the age where power was pretty much constant between full speed and stopped. This really shows up in memory where most of it sits idle while you read/write one word. To prevent power scaling with memory size this implemntation uses external memory. Instead of the massive waste of resources used for AI you should be thinking hand coded assembly language optimised to use the absolute minimum number of bits. Even with that limitation in mind this is impressive tech. The next huge problem is to get enough market share to divide non-recurring engineering costs down below silicon.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Power

      Probably a great achievement, so congragulations, but...

      Really poor power consumption - this is 3-5 orders of magnitude worse that off the shelf micros. Not that that is any kind of surprise: large = big C, and C*F=power. Big will never be energy efficient.

      The bigger problem is if there is any commercially significant use for it.

      Something large, thin and soft is not actually very robust. By comparison I have run silicon chips with a sharp steel scriber pressing 1kg direct onto the chip surface. It is not the chips that are weak it is the transition to flex in flexible material that fails. Small, low power chips are incredible rugged. It is only really big, hot, high pin count chips that are problematic.

      Hard to see any cost advantage - low performance silicon is incredibly cheap - ones of cents, certainly cheaper than a largish area of flexprint. When you add in poor power consumption, then the power source becomes bigger and more expensive.

      The best use I see for this is if performance can be improved enough to be a display driver for inherently flex displays like eink on flex, polymer lcd and oled and electo??. These are inclined to have a problematic requirement for a lot of connections onto flex. While it is a solved problem, making that driver on flex might be a big cost reduce for those display techs.

      A tiny silicon chip, and a flexible serial->display/lots-a-pins is a more viable outcome

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Power

      Cost of manufacture versus cost to operate. Consumers have spent a LONG time not thinking about how big a load a given washing machine might be on the bills...

      It wasn't so long ago that your average TV sat with half a dozen or more boxes in front of it at idle. That demand has dropped off as the mechanical needs for tape, disc, etc. have fallen away somewhat.

      Interestingly, folks living off grid tend to have rather more of an understanding of watts and watt hours. My mum was clueless till she moved off grid, wind batteries and a diesel only... Got quite good at only switching on enough gadgets to avoid the diesel firing up. Otherwise, we tend not to think about it, preferring the convenience.

      1. Terry 6 Silver badge

        Re: Power

        To be fair, washing powder adverts now feature their usefuleness at low temperature. We've long since gone from 40+ degrees to mostly 30.

  3. Will Godfrey Silver badge
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    I like this

    While reading the article my first thought was for active signage. Many moons ago the people I was working for designed these using a PC and monster CRT units. Something like this combined with E-paper would dramatically reduce running cost and bulk, while improving reliability.

    1. zuckzuckgo
      Childcatcher

      Re: I like this

      Snap, crackle, sell.

      We may yet get those cereal boxes with animated e-ink surfaces like those in some science fiction movies. Cheap prinatble solar cells, cpu, e-ink display and no surface needs go to waste. One man's nightmare is an advertiser's wet dream.

      1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

        Re: I like this

        And an e-waste recycling nightmare.

    2. Blogitus Maximus

      Re: I like this

      My first thought was for things people wear. Fashion to make things flashy* or things that provide consumer and medical level health metrics.

      *Think the fashionista equivalent of [BLINK] code. Not sure it'll catch on.

  4. Terry 6 Silver badge

    Err

    My first thought was e-waste. How recyclable is this stuff?

    How many cheap bendy devices will go to landfill after a brief life?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Err

      Concentrate on the bigger picture like crisp packets first ! (you never know that may solve your concerns on this)

      1. David 132 Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: Err

        What, a smart e-ink crisp packet that when it's been emptied, can be reprogrammed to say "Prawn Cocktail" rather than "Cheese & Turnip" and be re-used?

        Genius!

        1. Ken G Silver badge

          Re: Err

          Until a hacker gets at a full case of Tomato Ketchup flavour and reprogrammes it to present as Salt & Vinegar. Chaos!

          1. Sceptic Tank Silver badge
            FAIL

            Re: Err

            How on earth are you going to get a potato chip to present itself as something different?

        2. ChrisC Silver badge

          Re: Err

          And if we use colour e-ink whilst also giving the customer the opportunity to reprogram their own packs, this would once and for all resolve the age-old question, one so deep and profound that even one of Slartibartfasts finest creations would struggle with it, as to what colour a pack of cheese and onion should be in the first place...

      2. Terry 6 Silver badge

        Re: Err

        As my late mum used to say "Two wrongs don't make a right".

        Also crisp packets can be recycled -and should be.

  5. I am David Jones Silver badge
    FAIL

    No Crysis?

    Not interested

  6. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
    Coat

    Fine, no Crysis

    But can it run Nethack?

    1. David 132 Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Fine, no Crysis

      It can maybe run “Guess the number I’m thinking of”.

      1. Ian Bush

        Re: Fine, no Crysis

        Ahhh, so it can do AI

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  8. Muscleguy
    Joke

    But what happens when you dunk it in a really, really hot cup of tea?

    1. Ian Bush
      Boffin

      All the molecules in the host's undergarments leap simultaneously one foot to the left, in accordance with the theory of indeterminacy.

  9. Blogitus Maximus
    Trollface

    I wonder...

    ...which foreign company this will be flogged to.

    Also can it run doom?

  10. JLV Silver badge
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    What are some of the other environmental metrics like temperature or vibration/impact tolerance?

    But, yeah, neat stuff! And this is presumably early enough for major improvements to be expected down the road.

  11. Luggagethecat

    But can it run Doom?

  12. Ken G Silver badge

    I like

    Both the non silicon production and the flexibility. I assume they will get better == cheaper.

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