back to article OpenAI reportedly considering for-profit plans, but what would that be good for?

Once upon a time, OpenAI was purely a non-profit. Really. It was established in December 2015 as a non-profit AI research organization. Now it appears increasingly likely that OpenAI will become a for-profit company. OpenAI, of course, has declined to comment on multiple reports on any moves to become a for-profit entity, but …

  1. The Dogs Meevonks Silver badge

    Is anyone surprised?

    If anyone is actually surprised by this... I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

    1. UnknownUnknown

      Re: Is anyone surprised?

      If that’s not if interest, I also have Pan/American Highway across the Darien Gap or South Seas Debt reduction plan Intel may like.

  2. Captain Hogwash Silver badge

    Huh!

    Absolutely nothing

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Huh!

      ... say it again ... It ain't nothing but a heart-breaker; (AI) Friend only to The Undertaker; Oh, AI it's an enemy to all mankind; The thought of AI blows my mind ... AI, huh (good God y'all) ... AI (uh-huh), huh (yeah, huh)! (with many thanks to Edwin Starr, Steven, and Captain ... long live the 70s!)

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Still, I remember the day...

    That freedom died and OpenAI became ClosedAI. So sad. Like the sharpen fangs of an ungrateful child.

  4. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    So the world's experts on AI

    Can't think of a way of making money from AI - other than sell AI services to other companies that can't find a way of making money from AI

    Have they thought of doing "chatgpt: how do I make money form AI" ?

    1. vtcodger Silver badge

      Re: So the world's experts on AI

      AI seems to work well at anything trivial. Surely, the most likely AI answers to "How do I make a profit with this stuff? are

      1, Buy a printing press and the cheapest scanner you can find. Beg, borrow or steal a "Benji" (A US 100 dollar note). Then ....

      2. Put together a cryptocurrency scam. You will need access to a web server, an internet domain, and a spokesman with some amount of name recognition (Aside: A squeaky clean reputation would be OK, but a few modest felony convictions might be adventageous). ...

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: So the world's experts on AI

        Buy a printing press?

        If you were a suitably convincing convicted scammer they would give you the biggest most beautiful printing press for free and you could make real $

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Surely the correct designation is as a no-profit company.

    1. herman Silver badge
      Devil

      Nope, more like a negative profit company.

  6. ThatOne Silver badge
    Devil

    Had to happen

    > OpenAI reportedly considering for-profit plans

    Well, it must be very painful not to be able to make any profit from all this breathless hype. Think of all those millions you're not earning...

  7. iron

    Altman's "few thousand days" prediction

    One thousand days is approximately 2.7 years. A "few" means three, or thereabouts. Three thousand days is roughly 8.2 years.

    Or in other words Mr AltMan is telling us AI is 5 - 10 years away. Just like the flying car, cold fusion and many other science fiction pipe dreams.

    I was surprised he was so honest in that essay.

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: Altman's "few thousand days" prediction

      Well at least he's more realistic than Musk, who has been promising fully autonomous driving for Teslas "next year" since 2016!

    2. GenericLeftieWhackjob

      Re: Altman's "few thousand days" prediction

      The five year plan will be completed ahead of schedule, in six year's time!

  8. NewThought

    Copyright Claim Would Fail

    The article implies that authors who created material that chatbots are trained on should be compensated. Legal precedent says otherwise: when the authors of "Holy Blood Holy Grail" sued the copyright owners of "The Da Vinci Code", the case failed because while many of the ideas in Da Vinci Code were very obviously copied from Holy Blood Holy Grail, no actual text was.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code#Lawsuits

    Btw, I also think that in today's world, copyright and patent periods should be shortened: no ideas are truly original - they're all derivative in some way.

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Re: Copyright Claim Would Fail

      AIs can often be prompted into outputting recognisable chunks of text. The legal arguments tend to hinge around that.

      1. David 164

        Re: Copyright Claim Would Fail

        But so can a significantly well read human.

    2. David 164

      Re: Copyright Claim Would Fail

      Many are suing because their content was copied from their servers to "insert a AI company" servers, then manipulated, aka tagged and categorise and then expose to their AI to learn from.

      That copying and reusing which is violating copyright law, perhaps.

      However if the AI simply learn by browsing the web, even at a billion pages per hour, i don't see that violating copyright, especially if it did it via web cam staring as a screen. Are we close to having such a free learning AI, I don't know, probably not, but who knows.

    3. Falmari Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Copyright Claim Would Fail

      @NewThought "The article implies that authors who created material that chatbots are trained on should be compensated. Legal precedent says otherwise: when the authors of "Holy Blood Holy Grail" sued the copyright owners of "The Da Vinci Code", the case failed because while many of the ideas in Da Vinci Code were very obviously copied from Holy Blood Holy Grail,no actual text was."

      Actual text is copied to make the data sets used for training, so not the same as above. Where's the legal precedent?

    4. O'Reg Inalsin

      Re: Copyright Claim Would Fail

      Lookup Art Buchwald vs Paramount Studios, and Star Wars vs Battlestar Galactica. In both cases concept borrowing led to copyright violations and awards for the violated.

  9. David 164

    So they didn't want to hand power of open AI to a individual but now Altman has instead become that individual.

    Anyway you can't train or bring up a human without copyright works, so you certainly can't create a good AI without it.

  10. Sok Puppette

    What would it be good for?

    It would be "good" for giving Sam Altman billions of dollars basically just for existing. With the investment round they want to do at the same time, it'd be "good", for giving Microsoft direct control. It'd also be good for appealing to the naive market-based religion of a lot of the people who work there.

    Difficulty: If Altman's hand-picked board does this, it'll be in blatant, criminal breach of its fiduciary duties under the charter of the existing non-profit.

    Difficulty with the difficulty: It's not obvious that anybody can or will do anything about that.

  11. FF22

    What's it good for?

    It's good for letting people like Sam Altman to cash out billions before the AI bubble inevitably bursts.

  12. O'Reg Inalsin

    Live for the moment

    The investors piling in now are not necessarily worried about OpenAI ever being profitable ever, let alone after thousands of days - they are far more concerned with whether they will make a killing on the IPO.

  13. EricB123 Silver badge

    Is This a Thing Yet?

    "ChatGPT for Dummies"?

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