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Google Cloud Platform has filed a complaint with the European Commission alleging Microsoft software licensing policies are anti-competitive, including claims customers are being charged four times more to run Windows Server in non-Azure clouds. Some of the arguments have been heard by Reg readers for more than 15 months, with …

  1. Blue Shirt Guy

    Never infer anything from a premise

    "running it on premise"

    All Microsoft software is run on the basis of a premise, thats why you'd be a fool to trust them and should run things on your own premises.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Never infer anything from a premise

      .. and don't use Microsoft products to do so.

      Fun question: does the fact that you always authenticate via a Microsoft mechanism and domain not mean that they can always bypass your logins if they wanted to?

      I mean, there must be a reason they're rumoured to have hepled with the Cloud Act (rumour because I cannot find any articles confirming this).

  2. Steve Button

    Windows Server market share??

    """ Windows Server "remains the dominant operating system," with 70 percent "plus" market share """

    Is that in monetary value, or in copies of the O/S, or some other metric?

    It's a bit of an unfair comparison, considering all the free versions of Linux which obviously have $ zero market share. Even RHEL is pretty cheap compared to Windows server I believe.

    I get the feeling that there are WAY more Linux installs, but perhaps that's just because it's my job.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Windows Server market share??

      The only data I can find was from a few years back, indicating windows server usage (count of servers rather than revenue) at 70% of server systems WW. https://www.statista.com/statistics/915085/global-server-share-by-os/. So it does seemt be on par that Windows is used more than linux, for now.

      Microsoft is screwing its customer base - run Windows, your data centre or our data centre, or pay the price. It keeps shareholders happy, the executives get their bonus, and everyone at Msft is happy. Their poor customers, who have legitimate reasons for wanting to use anything other than Azure, such as decent uptime and good security, are paying the price.

    2. couruu

      Re: Windows Server market share??

      W3Techs say that around 86% of webservers they know of are running some form of Unix base (https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/operating_system). While obviously not all servers are webservers, I find it hard to believe that everyone else is using so much WinServ elswhere to shift that in completely the other direction.

      They must be talking monetary value, because there's just no way otherwise.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Windows Server market share??

        I guess it depends on what type of company you are, whether you are a Microsoft Shop or open source (or both) and so on. I guess its a large enough problem for Google that they are throwing their toys out the pram about it, and if the world really ran on linux there wouldnt be much to moan about in the first place

      2. Groo The Wanderer

        Re: Windows Server market share??

        The most popular loads for Windows Server aren't web services, though, but running Microsoft and add-on products.

    3. Richard 12 Silver badge

      Re: Windows Server market share??

      For webserver, yes, it's almost entirely Linux.

      But for other types of load, it's mostly Windows Server. Google are probably correct in that.

      They'll be limiting the complaint to "not web server market", which is definitely a very large cloud market. May well be the largest clpud market in terms of dollar value - webservers are really cheap, in general.

  3. cyberdemon Silver badge
    Devil

    A pox on both their houses

    Something about a Pot and a Kettle ...

    1. Peter-Waterman1

      Re: A pox on both their houses

      Google has a search monopoly; they have an anti-trust case against them. Does that mean they can't call out Msft about their monopoly? It doesn't stop the fact that customers are getting screwed by Microsoft. I say go for it, Microsoft deserve it.

  4. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    All* aboard

    * lawyers, civil servants, contractors

    gravy train has arrived

    1. Korgonzolla

      Re: All* aboard

      Magnums of champagne being opened in expensive Dublin restaurants tonight. Years of disclosure, billable hours, delays, and lawfare about to happen.

  5. John70

    There's actually someone using Google Cloud?

    1. Korgonzolla

      Ya, I would have thought that the Cloud war was sort of done at this stage. It's Amazon or Azure, and the likes of Google and Oracle are niche players.

  6. User McUser
    Joke

    The rich get richer

    "Now if you'll excuse me," the Google rep added, before climbing into his gold-plated limo and throwing a wad of twenty dollar bills at us "I need to get back to collecting and selling all of your personal information."

    When reached for a follow-up comment, a Microsoft rep respond with "I can't hear you, I'm in my Jacuzzi suit!"

    1. JoeCool Silver badge

      Re: The rich get richer

      This complaint is how the EC knows it has arrived in the big leagues.

    2. Dinanziame Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: The rich get richer

      Jacuzzi suit sounds like a nice idea for a line of clothes.

  7. naive

    Weapons and Big-tech

    Are the last pillars preventing US economy disappearing, consumer goods, except for burgers, they hardly produce anything that the rest of the world wants.

    Apart from corvettes, their car industry is reduced to pathetic minivans and 1958 Cadillac level gas guzzling pickup trucks built like T-Fords from the 30's.

    The probability of this generation European politicians dealing with the MS monopoly and its power abuse seem slim, everyone in Brussels fears an angry phone call from the Pennsylvania Avenue . The positive side of endless US wars is that the world economy could probably split into regions, reducing access of Big-Tech to Russian, Chinese and other markets, whose combined size is larger than USA and Europe.

    1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Re: Weapons and Big-tech

      I dont like American big tech, but you dont have to leave that and replace it with R or C big tech. You can live without social media.

      FUck the world is full of stupid people.

      1. MacGuffin

        Re: Weapons and Big-tech

        If only we had and endless supply of money rather than the endless supply of stupidity.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Weapons and Big-tech

          "If only we had and endless supply of money rather than the endless supply of stupidity."

          It is the 'endless supply of stupidity' that is generating the seemingly 'endless supply of money^' at the moment ...

          i.e. AI with everything.

          :)

          ^ that is until the bubble bursts !!!

        2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          Re: Weapons and Big-tech

          Society doesnt need an endless supply of money.

          You dont appreciate that the quest for money does not produce happiness. Look at america, supposedly the greatest gdp, and yet they cant afford to give any benefits to citizens.

          WHere is the free healthcare, or increased paid holiday rights, or parental leave ?

          The economy observations are all bullshit numbers on paper, they are not about people, and we are all people.

          Look at recent economies, housing is a failure and always increasing at rates far greater than increases in salaries. The economy is not serving the people. its enslaving them.

          The more people in big cities and "economies" chase their careers the more of their life they are lose, time is taken from them... How many Americans cant afford housing or food and yet the economy is supposedly getting better and better if you believe all the graphs and powerpoints. Its a dumb race, idiots participate in it beliving that they are winning.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I'm conflicted here..

    It's hard to work out who to root for here.

    Ideally both ought to lose..

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I'm conflicted here..

      The EU could root them both, that would work for me.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I'm conflicted here..

      There's no conflict.

      Microsoft should lose this one, and Google lose the search monopoly one.

      There are many different actions afoot, one can cheer for them all!

  9. Zippy´s Sausage Factory
    Coat

    Microsoft: "yeah we'll fix that"

    raises Azure prices by extortionate levels

    Everyone: no, not like that.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A plague on both of them

    They are just as evil as each other. May neither of them win and their lawyers get disbarred.

    May they take each other into Chapter 7.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Forgive my ignorance but...

    What's to stop M$ from saying, "OK, we will no longer flog licenses for non-Azure systems."

    I mean, they don't *have* to sell anything right?

  12. Korgonzolla

    Lots of lawyers in Dublin about to make money.

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