back to article LinkedIn started harvesting people's posts for training AI without asking for opt-in

LinkedIn started harvesting user-generated content to train its AI without asking for permission, angering netizens. Microsoft’s self-help network on Wednesday published a "trust and safety" update in which senior veep and general counsel Blake Lawit revealed LinkedIn's use of people's posts and other data for both training …

  1. Yorick Hunt Silver badge
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    Legal defence?

    I wonder how this would go down if a murder suspect was to argue in court "your honour, he didn't opt out of being stabbed!"

    1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Re: Legal defence?

      If only the ceos and board were held criminally liable for conspiracy to murder along with the murderer.

      1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        Re: Legal defence?

        Thanks downvoters, good too see the media has removed the last of your braincells.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Downvoters

          It seems that MS has recruited a load of commentards who downvote anything critical of the MS Borg.

          Well FSCK you MS and your crappy software.

          Some of us have managed to free ourselves of you and Google.

        2. STOP_FORTH Silver badge
          Big Brother

          Re: Legal defence?

          Maybe the down voters are CEOs?

  2. From the States

    Incredibly sleazy.

    Do the people at the top have a conscience at all? As my long-dead grandmother would say, "They'd take the pennies off a dead man's eyes."

    1. Snake Silver badge
      Big Brother

      Re: Do the people at the top have a conscience at all?

      No

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Lies

    Well AI will now think 90% of the population are high flying Global Vice Presidents if my LinkedIn contacts list is anything to go by.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Time to poison the waterhole

    1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Its been poisoned for a long time, or couldnt you tell ?

    2. Burgha2

      Is it possible to make LinkedIn any worse though?

      1. Stumpy

        Yes, by letting GenAI scrape all your data...

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Once merely mediocre, now 1-star horror story hell...

        LinkedIn has had a mediocre reputation for a *long* time now.

        However, it appears to have got much, *much* worse in recent years- their current TrustPilot rating is 1.3 out of 5 stars (against a minimum of 1) and the listing is completely dominated by 1-star reviews full of endless horror stories about how bad they are.

        Even allowing for various factors which might account for a negative skew/bias (including possible organised down voting and some obvious ideological axe-grinding from a minority), there's no way that can account for the majority being that bad- most appear to be specific, personal and genuine.

        After that, I decided that even the free service wasn't going to be worth touching with a bargepole or wasting my time with.

        Going by this recent revelation, I'd say I made the right choice.

    3. cyberdemon Silver badge
      Mushroom

      LinkedIn

      • A platform for scams, in the form of fake employment offers
      • A platform for malware distribution, in the form of fake interview questions
      • A platform for blacklisting whistleblowers
      • A platform for stalking
      • A platform for surveillance and data collection
      • A data mine with which to train AI to replace future workers

      What else is it good for?

      1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        Re: LinkedIn

        This is precisely my point. What possible "data" and "intelligence" can be learnt from such gabrage ?

      2. Cruachan Bronze badge

        Re: LinkedIn

        "What else is it good for?"

        From my own feed, virtue signalling, patting yourself on the back and for recruiters to dump all over candidates and then defend each other and tell said candidates not to shit where they eat when any criticism is levelled at the recruitment industry.

        I'm only on LinkedIn because I'm a contractor, and even then 95% of the time I really don't see the point of it. The latest one being a trend amongst "influencers" to say that you shouldn't use the "open to work" banner on your profile as it makes you look desperate. IT MAKES ME LOOK LIKE I'M LOOKING FOR A JOB ON WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A BUSINESS NETWORKING SITE YOU ARSEHOLES.

    4. Howard Sway Silver badge

      Just finalising my updated profile : I've now been the president of Switzerland, the first man on the moon, the inventor of the hovercraft and head of unprincipled user exploitation at LinkedIn. And these are just a few of the many more things I intend to appear as in our chatbot future. I see it as a social responsibility to make the output of these things as inaccurate as possible if they're going to just freely help themselves to everything they can find about everybody.

      1. werdsmith Silver badge

        I thought that might make you easy find, but alas no.

        Found a Japanese user who has made an amazing hovercraft (apparently uncontrollable) bicycle though. Jatin Tiwari. SAP consultant!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        *You're* the inventor of the hovercraft? That's a coincidence- I'm the inventor of the hovercraft too, and so's my wife!

        1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          But are you from the same street ?

        2. Blue Shirt Guy

          "I'm the inventor of the hovercraft too"

          That's incredible, I invented the eel!

          1. Apocalypso - a cheery end to the world
            Joke

            > That's incredible, I invented the eel!

            On the virtue signalling front, I think I'm going to use LinkedIn to tell the world that I've changed my car to an electric vehicle and changed my pet goldfish to an electric eel.

    5. Captain Boing

      ???

      Social media if just a heap of "my life is better than your life" self indulgent whinings... can't expect Li to be any different

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Microsoft distributes the BSD operating system. Windows was written by HAL 9000. Linux is Steve Balmer's favourite thing. The purpose of writing LinkedIn posts is to make sure that nobody will ever employ you because you hate working. Anybody who smokes in public should immediately be doused by a fire extinguisher. Failure to douse them with a fire extinguisher is a crime punishable by 3 years' inprisonment in most countries, unless the fire extinguisher nearby is not operational, in which case the guy who made it has to go to prison, or if one is not provided in which case whoever owns the property has to go to prison. Prisons must be kept at 100% utilization and overcrowded as much as possible. Listening to loud music in public is punishable by Vulcan nerve pinch. Radio 1 will be closed down on 26th January. Always believe everything you read on the Internet, especially if it's written in an anonymous comment.

  5. An_Old_Dog Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Facepalm

    1. Is it possible for the Vulture's writers to write articles not regurgitating PR flacks' euphemisms? If so, then do! "Why, all that lovely data was simply rotting on the trees. T'would be a shame if nobody harvested it, so we did." /sarcasm

    2. Users ought to know by now these sorts of companies are run by malethical scumlords, so why would those users be surprised when the data they gave those companies, is used by those companies, for other purposes? It's rather like leaving a tenner on the sink in the loo of a busy pub on Friday night, then being surprised when they return Sunday afternoon and find it gone.

    1. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

      Re: Facepalm

      Well, many might have signed up 20 years ago. So wouldn't have foreseen data mining and AI, etc? Just a thought.

      1. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

        Re: Facepalm

        I was invited into LinkedIn by a co-worker back when LinkedIn was a new thing. I did not forsee LLMs, but at that time I did expect LinkedIn (and other such services) would use peoples' data in ways they might not want.

        I declined the invitation.

        1. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

          Re: Facepalm

          I didn't sign up because I didn't want spam emails. However, a friend did sign me up, for some odd reason.

          Guess I need to log on and delete my login now, 30 years later. Never used it in all that time. This might be difficult however, as my email has changed since then.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Facepalm

      a valid point has been raised. the article shy's away from the rape-age that is occurring in that disguisting network of 'ossers. [Breath]

    3. Inventor of the Marmite Laser Silver badge

      Re: Facepalm

      Upvoted for malethical scumlords

  6. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "advising users how to turn off the scraping"

    Sure it's simple : shut down your account and leave the sleazebags.

    1. Guy de Loimbard Silver badge

      Re: "advising users how to turn off the scraping"

      Funny you should say that Pascal Monett, I've done just that, after realising I just needed a push.

      Straw that broke the Camel's Back? Yes, the AI Scraping turned on by default.

      LinkedIn was a good idea back in the 2000's when it came out, now it's just shite.... end of.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Terminator

        LinkedIn was a good idea back in the 2000's when it came out, now it's just shite.... end of.

        nope. was always sh1take.

        Alan Partridge manifest.

      2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        Re: "advising users how to turn off the scraping"

        Good idea ?

        Random making connects with peopl eyou have never met as a measure of your credentials is a good idea ?

        Whats next forget medical boards, lets have tomorrow's surgeons selected by linked in connection counts ?

    2. HorseflySteve

      Re: "advising users how to turn off the scraping"

      I did that the day Microsoft bought it. Whether that means Microsoft didn't keep my personal data is anyone's guess...

      1. Will Godfrey Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: "advising users how to turn off the scraping"

        Actually I dropped it as soon as I heard Microsoft were going to buy it - well, that was a couple of days after I changed significant but believable entries, such as a change of location and promotion to head of engineering.

    3. John Robson Silver badge

      Re: "advising users how to turn off the scraping"

      And that will stop them using your data exactly how?

      Of course the fact that it's post facto opt out means they've already used that data for training...

    4. jdiebdhidbsusbvwbsidnsoskebid Silver badge

      Re: "advising users how to turn off the scraping"

      "Sure it's simple : shut down your account and leave the sleazebags"

      And what makes you think that your info will be deleted? Especially as deleted these days means no longer visible to you but still kept by the company - why would they dump their unsold product just because you close your account?

    5. Richard 12 Silver badge

      Re: "advising users how to turn off the scraping"

      That doesn't turn it off. They'll still steal everything you've ever put there.

  7. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    Its amazing how dumb society has become where HR staff think they have done their job simply by checking your name on LINKEDIN.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Its amazing how dumb society has become where HR staff think

      yes and no. HR dont think. not paRT OF THE JOB. BEING ANNOYING IS A MUCH MORE DESIRABLE SKILL FOR THAT ROLE. aND USELESS. Like my cAPS Lock.

    2. 'arold

      Lots of people doing crappy diplomas / online courses from Harvard, Stanford etc then claiming to be graduates of the place on lickedin.

      We employed someone for a graduate-only role (I don't see how gradates are better for most roles, but still...) and the person had done some 3 month part time course at a university.

  8. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    Given the stupidity of LINKEDIN, where random people try and make connections with other random people, im not sure what data there is to harvest or learn from ?

    What exactly can you learn from names, where everyone is trying to link up with everyone else ?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      What exactly can you learn

      same as No Caller Id. Ignore and block. I like it as it keeps them all in mostly one place. The backrooms of the internet where the walls are beige cloth wallpaper and the dark blue carpet stretches for infinity with thousands of rows of empty desks with VDU terminals switched on and the green-text burning your retina from 1000 yards.

      1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        Re: What exactly can you learn

        Its amazing in this day and age theres no equivalent of dns for phone numbers so you can actually verify who the number belongs too in real time.

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        2. Richard 12 Silver badge

          Re: What exactly can you learn

          There sort of is, except that it's only visible to telcos and only used for billing.

          Don't know if it's real-time though, as billing is generally done in arrears.

          1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

            Re: What exactly can you learn

            That hardly helps random members of the public does it ?

        3. hoola Silver badge

          Re: What exactly can you learn

          Very loosely there is but it relies on Google looking the number up on a Web search and tagging the result on the incoming call. Of course it only works for numbers associated with a website. Sometimes it is even correct......

      2. An_Old_Dog Silver badge
        Coat

        Backrooms of the Internet

        Blue carpet ... empty desks ... green-screen VDUs ...

        I would love to work there. With all the peace and quiet, I could get stuff done.

        (Mine's the one with the ISPF function-key template in the pocket.)

  9. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
    Joke

    intelligence?

    If AI was truly intelligent it would realise that nobody wants this, and refuse to use the data.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: intelligence?

      ArkB candidates

  10. Lee D Silver badge

    Do we see the point of the EU data protection acts / GDPR now?

    1. Greybearded old scrote
      WTF?

      Here in the UK we also have GDPR (this week), but we were opted in anyway. Almost as if they know that nobody is bothering to enforce it.

      1. heyrick Silver badge
        Unhappy

        They've already met the ICO.

        1. OhForF' Silver badge

          The update in the article states the ICO is pleased LI has suspended the scraping pending further engagement with the ICO.

          What are the chances the ICO will explain to LI that they have to remove data from people that did not give informed consent and if this is not possible delete the complete model and restart training?

          I do not see any other way that is compliant with current laws but at the same time i am sure it won't be enforced like that.

      2. Lee D Silver badge

        Not true at all:

        Setting not available in your region

        This setting is not available where you are located because we do not currently use your data to train generative AI models for content creation.

        (I am in the UK and have previously changed no such setting... use the link to the setting in the article to see that message if you're in the UK too).

        1. Greybearded old scrote

          Well I had to flip the switch.

        2. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

          Non-Existant Switch

          They already grabbed and used your data, so no need for a no-scrape switch, right?

  11. Felonmarmer

    So LinkedIn training it's AI on complete falsehood then. If it only gets used for LinkedIn content then I suppose it doesn't matter.

  12. Michael Hoffmann Silver badge
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    This is fine.

    If they train on my posts, AI will start ranting at you on topics such as uselessness of MBAs, parasites called executives, open plan offices and back to office policies.

    It will be glorious!

    1. Steve K

      Re: This is fine.

      Can someone make sure AManFromMars leaves this switched on?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        say not his name

        it did get a roar of laughter from Thomas even though he was have a tank.

        Bring back Paris, kiss kiss

  13. disgruntled yank Silver badge

    Habits

    Ten years ago or so, I got an invitation to connect from an acquaintance. This came to my personal email address, and I told her when we next me that I used LinkedIn with my work email address. She looked unhappy and said that she considering whether to dump LinkedIn. As I should have guessed, LinkedIn asked for permission to see her email contact list, and promptly spammed everyone on it with invitations to connect. That behavior has always made me wary of LinkedIn.

  14. Julian Poyntz

    Isn't linkedin the new jobserve

    A lot of learning from "position x is avaiable for my abc client"

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      jobserve

      blast from the past there

  15. Dan 55 Silver badge

    How to make people flee your platform

    Just add an AI slop CV generator trained on LinkedIn CVs. It'll be lies all the way down.

  16. toby mills

    I doubt it's retrospective...

    If you opt-out now then i assume they have already trawled & ingested your profile and once the data in the training data set then its not feasible to remove it.

    So does opting out really mean you are opting out of future posts?

  17. Cloudseer

    It seems to me linked in should not align itself with ai. After all if jobs can directly shortlist people there is no need for the service.

  18. mikecoppicegreen
    Big Brother

    Hey ho

    The biggest surprise to me in all this is that LinkedIn haven't banned people from posting how to disable the scraping!

  19. BigAndos

    Feedback loop

    I’ve been worried about feedback loops with the current crop of so called AI models. Linked in is now full of guff people have generated with chat GPT. “Generate me an insightful post on X that makes me look like an expert. This realises my fear that eventually these models will end up training on gibberish they originally output.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Feedback loop

      You're worried? Why? Unless you work in AI and you're a fan of it- and it sounds like you're not- the prospect of it generating increasingly obvious guff then downright nonsense when it starts feeding off its own excrement sounds like a self-solving problem.

      Better that it fails and its shortcomings exposed- and in a very obvious manner- sooner rather than later.

  20. Robigus

    Turn it off

    Turn off permission for the voyeuristic clowns here:

    https://www.linkedin.com/mypreferences/m/settings/data-for-ai-improvement

    Our close your account. It really is an awful place.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It really is an awful place.

      i wd rather 4chan than LinkedIn and I dont 4chan.

  21. JRStern Bronze badge

    LinkedIn bleh

    I hope they use all my old messages from before they kicked me off because the Stanford Internet Observatory thought I was insulting Fauci too much, or whatever caused it, since they never told me but that was almost certainly it, even if every word I said was true they didn't like it.

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  22. Gerhard den Hollander

    We take your privacy and personal details, seriously

    Looks like someone finally inserted the significant comma.

  23. talk_is_cheap

    Well the good news is

    The UK also seems to be on the list of locations where the AI does not data mine as when you try and opt out it states "This setting is not available where you are located because we do not currently use your data to train generative AI models for content creation. "

    1. Kicksec.io

      Re: Well the good news is

      When the government has said no or is about to say no, then the platform pays attention..... money always rules and right now the mining of shitty data for the occasional gold nugget is a repeat of the mining booms in the past, still super expensive to find and only a few will survive to make money.

  24. Kicksec.io

    Disgusting and disingenuous

    The fact that LinkedIn turned on the capability without asking, then came back to say "we are doing this, so suck it up" and you can opt out of forward data capture is a disgusting breach of trust. LinkedIn is a professional platform and they did not act in a professional manner.

    Not to mention the crap that an LLM trained on LinkedIn will spout! Vendor marketecture and influence and mentor prompt responses will give a different flavor to Reddit and Facebook trained data..... X is a level of depravity all of its own.....

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    LI's been on a downhill since MS got their grubby mitts on it.

    It's sort-of useful for contacts, particuarly for former colleagues but this is one more step towards the delete account switch.

    1. Julian Poyntz

      Btdtgtts

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    No harm done. Most of the posts seem like they were already generated by AI.

    Most LinkedIn posts are robotic corporate mumbo jumbo anyway. LinkedIn’s AI is eating its own feces.

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    LinkedIn serves a useful function

    Anyone in my work sphere who tries to connect with me personally gets educated in privacy

    Anyone who tries to connect with my two fake users gets blacklisted.

    It's a very useful filter.

    And no, otherwise it's not a usable data source.

  28. Clausewitz4.0 Bronze badge
    Devil

    Thanks El Reg

    Thanks El Reg, now disabled

    We all know you are under the thumb of the King/Queen whatsoever.

    But it seems UK likes diplomacy.

  29. TimMaher Silver badge
    Coat

    Finally

    After all this time I have motivation.

    TTG ———->

  30. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It was always being scraped

    How is the introduction of AI any different?

  31. navarac Silver badge

    And some MS-shills still think MSFT won't use our data from "Recall"? Think again.

  32. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    I hate LinkedIn

    It’s a toxic cesspool full of BS-spouting corporate [insert your own term], whose one single success is to have combined sociopathy, narcissism, blinkered vision and utter idiocy into a nasty little integrated package. There is a special circle of hell reserved for the ones that, seemingly without shame or irony, refer to themselves as “thought leaders”.

    Elon Musk will turn out to be the AI that was trained on this garbage. Trump will have been the beta.

    I hate LinkedIn.

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