Elon Musk's assassination 'joke' bombs, internet calls for his deportation Calls to deport Elon Musk from the US are trending on the billionaire's very own social media platform after he wondered aloud, following an apparent second attempt on the life of former President Trump, why no one has tried to assassinate President Biden or Veep Kamala Harris. After spotting the barrel of an AK-style rifle …
I supposed we'd be just as bad as Musk if we hastagged assasinatemuskinstead? Was more wondering would anyone give a toss to investigate it or would they be drycleaning their best dress for the medal ceremony.
*NB the above is a mindless statement that holds no true intention of ill towards another human being that currently exists on this plane of existense.
Perhaps they could send him there in a submersible whose design approach was very much in line with Musk's own libertarian, wannabe-bad-boy politics, one which ignored all the naysayers saying it was dangerous and which ditched things like safety testing that "needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation".
Only problem is that the guy behind it hasn't been been heard of since last summer- perhaps he's been too busy underwater exploring!- and it appears that the original example is no longer available, so they'd have to build another out of scraps of old carbon fibre.
Still, they can take their time- there's no Rush after all!
"OceanGate, the manufacturer behind the craft, has previously faced questions over its design choices, its safety record and its adherence to regulations."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kk1g66n7o
Musk is not like that. Is... he?
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Maybe deport him to the UK, so he can be charged and stand trial for inciting the recent far-right riots (and attempting to incite civil war). He's at least as culpable as some of the utter fucking morons who have been jailed for their part in those, both in things he has posted directly, and in his total failure to moderate or restrict those who were calling directly for violence.
…from the US to where??
North Korea would have to be favourite.
Kim is just about as deranged as Space Karen and would probably place this brilliant exiled engineer in charge of North Korea's space and weapons programs.
Why Mars? What have the Ice Warriors done to us that they deserved Musk?
"We've contacted legal experts to learn more about how his comments might be interpreted by a court,"
The only real way to decide how comments might be interpreted by a court is to have them interpreted by a court. How many views you get otherwise depends on how many legal experts you ask.
See also asking economists for economic projections.
Doctor Syntax, Hi,
Did you not read of the current clear and present dangers that are destroying every chance of administering peaceful existences on Earth that so called experts are fielding and responsible for, and appearing to escape any meaningful accountability for, and failing so spectacularly to vanquish and diminish. ...... https://www.zerohedge.com/political/experts-gone-wild
It is nothing less than a quite monumental serial crime against humanity .... and one which humanity appears to be far too stupid and clueless to not tolerate and refuse to accept ..... Morons United ‘R’Us eh?
Do you think, listening to all of the bumph and worries being expressed about the Rise of AI and Learned Large Language Learning Machines, AI has Earthly takeover plans already in motion with nobody worthless or anybody unworthy able to do anything at all about to prevent its relentless onward stealthy march?
@Grogan
"Whether it was his intent or not, it's a dog whistle coming from him."
That would be because you and others dont like him (no I am not part of the fan club either). People are supposed to be equal under the law, which has come under a lot of fire at the moment for obvious inequalities.
And I might agree....
Except.
You tweet it out ("Xit" out?) that's however many followers you have.
He has 195.8 million
That's about 2.96% of the whole planet reading his s88t.
Some of those dumbass bozos good folk may lack the skills to appreciate that he is making a comment for comic effect, otherwise known as a "joke."
And that's when his sense of humour becomes an issue...
It's funny how only the very rich believe that unlimited freedom can have no consequences for everybody else. Perhaps because they have it and they've never had any consequences?
Exactly what "context" does he think wasn't clear to readers of the post which would have made that hilarious? The only context I am aware of is "two publicly-known assassination attempts on a former President and current candidate, who Musk likes, but none on his opponents, who Musk doesn't like".
Most of us think things like that at least briefly, but we don't say them, certainly not when we're in a position of "authority" of any kind.
But when you DO point out the obvious, it's usually funny!
From the article speech can be considered incitement to violence, and thus not protected, if it is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action," and "likely to produce such action."
Like things said by Nancy 'Skeletor' Pelosi, 'Mad' Maxine Waters, 'Sleepy' Joe Biden, Komrade Kamala Harris, [up]Chuck Schumer.... ah hell, MOST of the Democrats, even comparing Trump to Hitler and insisting he'll be a dictator and end democracy.
Yeah, no "incitement" there...
[just let people say what they want and stop trying to censor and cancel - tolerance is a 2 way street]
In answer to Musks bad joke, because Biden/Harris are not racist POS and are actually trying to govern for the benefit of the American people.
Where as despite Trump MAGA campaign slogan he couldn't give a crap the American people. Unfortunately a lot of Trump supports just don't see this, and think hes an ever man who will help the working Joe when he comes to power. But the only Americans Trump cares about are the ones who give him money, can do him favours, he finds physically attractive or the sycophants who tell him how fantastic he is to boost his ego.
Not that i condone violence even against a POS like Trump, he needs to loose the election and then sent to jail to answer for his many crimes.
And he's also try to race to get back in the white house because of all his legal troubles, because once back in he'll have them all dropped.
He'll be really dangerous the 2nd time round.
He made a mistake last time, thought he could do whatever he wanted then discovered he couldn't. So now is making sure all that join him will be yes people, to allow him to do whatever he wants (which will be grifting for cash, making his millionaire mates more money, playing golf and making it so when his time is up, the presidency gets passed onto his sons, coughNorthKoreaStylecough).
Or he might just win his appeals. That's how justice is supposed to work.. isn't it?
That is how it should work for everyone.
But the supreme court (largely by conservative appointees that Trump put in place) has given the president more powers than a king (at least in the UK, post Magna Carta where they reigned in bad King John in 1215) so he can skip all of the due process and checks & balances that are there to provide a reasonable chance of justice. So if he wins he will pardon himself and/or take steps to null other trials "because I say its a political witch-hunt, and I'm such a great guy who is always right, and we don't need to hear evidence".
You might think Trump would change is stance on gun control after this, true it would not stop everyone, but it would reduce the ease with which nut-jobs can access such weapons and ammunition, and do far more for school mass shootings (AKA fourth trimester abortion)
Depending on your actual background knowledge Mr (or Ms) AC you're either lying or just ignorant.
The President has always had immunity from civil claims to stop the sort of lawfare against them that the FOCF habitually engages in.
But not criminal immunity. Although it's a convention that no criminal case will take place while a president is in office.
The clue is Nixon needed a pardon from his VP to avoid going from the White House to the Big House.
Until those SEL's on SCOTUS, hand picked by the Feral Society gave the job greater powers than a modern Monarch.
What you stated about the behaviour of SCOTUS is incorrect.
That is how it should work for everyone.
Even Joe Biden? Trump gets a fully televised raid on his home for having classified documents. Bidens were carefully guarded by the Chinese and his Covette. Hilarys were guarded by the leopard in her basement, who also stood watch over the Whitewater documents until the statute of limitations had run out. Or there's Hunter Biden. Daddy got the Ukrainian prosecuter fired for investigating Burisma. Trump got impeached for daring to ask questions about Burisma. Then Blinken organised the '51 Intelligence officials' to declare the Hunter Biden laptop was fake news, and bury that story just before an election. Or the way Hunter Biden managed to get a strange immunity from future prosecution deal from the DoJ before that was thrown out by the judge.
.. so he can skip all of the due process and checks & balances that are there to provide a reasonable chance of justice.
Except he can't, and their are still going to be limitations on Presidential immunity, as the Supreme Court explained in their decision.
So if he wins he will pardon himself and/or take steps to null other trials "because I say its a political witch-hunt
Don't forget also running an adrenochrome extraction business out of the White House basement. Of course the Democrats keep screeching he'll do this, but it might not be so easy. Some of the trials are on hold anyway, and as I understand it, might remain on hold if Trump wins. Which is a bit weird given the right to appeals and clearing ones name, but he might also call for an investigation into whether his many trials have been politically motivated. Which should be easy enough to do, especially as some of the DAs were elected on a platform of locking up Trump.
And as for pardons, that's also back to Hunter. So he tried to plead guilty-but-not-guilty on his tax evasion charges. Judge wouldn't allow that so just plead guilty. Which means no trial, witnesses and potentially embarrassing evidence for the Biden family. And Joe could of course try to pardon Hunter as well.
Meanwhile, the defender of Democratcy who didn't actually get any votes was on TV talking about her big policy ideas. Doing something about lipstick marks on Willy.. I mean coffee cup lids.
"on TV talking about her big policy ideas"
More accurately telling the exact same word salad story each and every time. The unedited version of the one to one interview after the disastrous debate shows her telling the exact same story about being middle class and how she tied an onion to her belt. It was like watching grandpa Simpson mixed with the doorbell from Ferris Beuler.
Interesting you should bring up Hunter Biden.
Because his defence team argued the Special Prosecutor was not a real thing, per the note Clarence Thomas appended to the SCOTUS decision on Presidential Immunity.
Exactly the argument Cannon used to dismiss the FOCF classified documents trial.
But the court called total BS on this.
Perhaps because this is total BS from the lawyer version of Bill Cosby?
So when the 11th reviews the FOCF's dismissal they already have an existence proof that this notion is BS.
There is a 2 tier justice system in the US. 1 for people with the FOCF last name and everybody else.
Hunter Biden is not his father. OTOH neither he nor his father are endlessly bitching about this being a "witch hunt," or how "The justice system has been weaponised against us" like the FOCF and his whole family of grifters endlessly bang on about.
The FOCF pleading guilty? You'll see the Devil carrying ice skates before that happens.
Hunter Biden is a red herring. Nobody gives a shit about Hunter Biden. He's a noncombatant pawn.
If he's broken the law, throw him in jail. Simple as that. He doesn't matter, at all, in the great scheme of things.
Nobody cares about Hunter, except the MAGA cult, apparently. Even his Dad is on record as stating he will not pardon him.
Trump's not going to change his stance on gun control until immediately after the election, when he will no longer need the votes of the gun nuts. The narcissistic nutter will likely ban all civilian gun ownership on the first day, though ... just so another good, Republican doesn't try to take a pot-shot at him again.
Strangely, with both Harris and Walz being gun owners, the Democrats are unlikely to do as radical a ban as Trump will.
Just something to think about, responsible gun owners. You have but one vote, think hard before using it.
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Er, I thought both shooters were Republican-registered and/or past Trump voters?
I was just observing a few days ago that Trump had a lot more to fear from the fellow nut jobs in his own camp who might be tempted by the "fame" of bagging a controversial ex-president over their unquestioning support for their victim, than from the fewer unhinged of other side of politics.
Fortunately for him it appears the demented or deranged are invariably incompetent.
@Bebu
"I was just observing a few days ago that Trump had a lot more to fear from the fellow nut jobs in his own camp who might be tempted by the "fame" of bagging a controversial ex-president over their unquestioning support for their victim, than from the fewer unhinged of other side of politics."
What mental gymnastics does it really take to believe this kind of nonsense? Desperate to somehow make Trump (the victim) the problem. Definitely nutters and unhinged around
@Casca
"Why should I? Everyone here knows what a maga and right wing nut you are"
So you are not going to try and explain how your comment of nonsense relates at all to my comment that you replied to, and your poor excuse is you are replying to a caricature in your head.
At least that makes sense
"Desperate to somehow make Trump (the victim) the problem. "
Trump has stoked the RWNJs for decades. Paid off for 2016. Not so much for 2020. Now he's reaping what he sowed, just not in the way he thought he would. Those 2nd Amendment Nutbags/Psychos are not the controllable force he thought he could direct.
He's no blameless victim here.
They were.
It's almost as if they'd looked at the stated positions of the Republican party, checked them against what it had become and were so disgusted by the differences they'd decided to do something about it.
Thus the FOCF unites members of the Republican Party both young and old.
In trying to blow his head off.
Remember kids if you shoot the FOCF voters won't be able to make him a three time loser in November.
Mine's the one with "The Pelican Brief" on CD in the pocket. I love a bit of John Grisham, Washinton, Roberts. Marvellous.
I'd say it's because of the aura Trump built for himself. On one hand, he generally projects strong negative messages: he tends to rage at things he dislikes much more than cheer at things he likes. When he does cheer at something, it's usually just a flip-side, cheering because something he dislikes is getting raged at. At the same time, he's extremely self-centered; it's all about him.
At this point, it's difficult to think about Trump without feeling outraged. If you're for him, you're outraged at the things he points at; if you're against him, you're outraged at him. And he's right in the middle of this tornado of negative discourse.
It's not that surprising that people who are slightly unhinged from reality might easily get swept up by that vortex and drawn towards the center. I don't think Trump tends to attract as much attention from the cool, calm and collected of either side of the political spectrum, as he does from the rabid hordes. And that is definitely by design; however, it's clearly not a plan without risks.
You mean your reply up here? The one which appears to be clearly visible as a regular comment within the thread?
I supposed you're going to suggest that They *had* removed it, but quickly put it back when you spotted and called out this "far-left" conspiracy to suppress your self-proclaimed "libertarian/conservative" freedom of speech?
And in doing so they made you look like a liar.... another conspiracy, perhaps? Hmm.
I mean, it's not like you may have messed up by looking at a cached or non-refreshed copy of the page predating your comment and that you didn't double-check that because you'd seen what you wanted to see, is it?
El Reg is experiencing technical difficulties with the forums. I made a post earlier on another thread, and then I couldn't see it for at least 30 minutes. Previous to this, I had to refresh several times before I could get a forum page to load at all. It's no surprise that this moron is turning it into a conspiracy though.
"I supposed you're going to suggest that They *had* removed it, but quickly put it back when you spotted and called out this "far-left" conspiracy"
Sometimes the forum glitches and posts can take a minute or two to turn up. But sure, it's easier to imagine some big global conspiracy rather than Cloudflare being an arse.
Sometimes the forum glitches and posts can take a minute or two to turn up. But sure, it's easier to imagine some big global conspiracy rather than Cloudflare being an arse.
Nope. Sometimes there are actual conspiracies. Or at least El Reg's 'moderation'. I explained what happened in previous posts, but trolls piled in and now those posts have actually been memory holed. It is a tad annoying when that happens, or sometimes there's a note left saying posts have been deleted by moderators. Calling billionaires nazis seems to be ok however.
Yes, can confirm that's the story I heard on the BBC news (circa 1700 GMT) which reported that he'd voted for Trump on 2016 but become disillusioned with him.
Though I suspect that for the usual hyper-partisans even that means it's taken for granted that he's now a "Democrat"- however he actually fits inbetween the two parties- and they're to blame for everything he did.
Though I suspect that for the usual hyper-partisans even that means it's taken for granted that he's now a "Democrat"- however he actually fits inbetween the two parties- and they're to blame for everything he did.
He had a pretty extensive posting history hating on Trump, so something he shares with a lot of the far-left. Including a lot of posters here. One of which even went so far as to mention 'stochastic terrorism', which is perhaps another phrase to describe radicalisation. But demonise someone, keep comparing them to Hitler, or even 'Xitler', call them the greatest threat to Democratcy, or how he'll be a dictator from day 1, and don't be suprised that some Democrat donor takes that too far.
But this particular Democrat donor is a curious chap. Meetings in Washington, interviews with the media, plans to recruit mercenaries from the US and Afghanistan, being featured in an Azov Brigade video. Many questions that need answering. Like who paid for all this stuff, his flights, especially how he arrived from Hawaii to Florida, how as a convicted felon he obtained his firearm, how he knew Trump would be on the golf course that day etc etc.
It's like a game of Cluedo ("Clue" for our American readers).
"Mr Orange, Convicted election interferer, sex offender and fraudster, on the golf course, with the pocket full of golf balls* whose purpose is a mystery"
*Because for some cheating on your wives, your taxes and your sub-contractors is just being human but cheating at golf is just completely over the line.
The thing about golf is that when you cheat at it, you are only fooling yourself. Everybody around you on the course knows you are a cheater, and thus can't be trusted.
In fact, it's worse than that if you are playing for money. If you cheat, you are not just a cheater, you are a common-or-gutter thief and con man. And again, everybody knows it.
Good point.
Sadly I suspect most of his supporters are not golfers*
* For the rest of us with inferencing skills cheating at marriage, business and sports does suggest a pattern. Sadly I suspect a lot of his base would still be wondering "So what would he do as President?"
> ... But demonise someone ... or how he'll be a dictator from day 1, and don't be suprised that some Democrat donor takes that too far.
Ignoring that you've deliberately adjusted what's being said, Trump's actual quote: "He says, "You're not gonna be a dictator, are you?" I said no, no, no … other than Day One."
So that one — other than your wilful adjustment — is straight from the dictator's mouth.
> because Biden/Harris are not racist POS...
It's too early to be sure of this, but I doubt either attempt on Trump was particularly ideologically motivated. (The first guy was researching an attempt on either of them; Trump just happened to be conveniently available first.) Going back in time, most attempts since Booth shot Lincoln have had more to do with personal grievance (Charles Guiteau shooting James Garfield) or sheer poor mental health (most of the others).
Truthfully, I've long been surprised that such attempts are not, in general, much more common. I live in a nation with ~350 million people. At least 1%, or 3.5 million, are completely unhinged, politically or otherwise. And they all have easy access to firearms. I suspect one factor may be that the really raving loonies are least competent to actually carry out an assassination.
It's too early to be sure of this, but I doubt either attempt on Trump was particularly ideologically motivated.
Other than being a Democrat donor. That one is still curious given the 'news' that they had off-shore accounts rather than blazing their politics all over the Interwebz and writing a self-published book. Plus this one is (currently) alive, so their motivations and how they became radicalised are going to be easier to investigate.
And they all have easy access to firearms. I suspect one factor may be that the really raving loonies are least competent to actually carry out an assassination.
Yep, but that's Democrats for you. No doubt they'll cry for banning 'assault rifles', then deny they called for violating the 2nd Amendment, then might stop and think that making an accurate shot with an AK at 300yds is harder than if would be with a half-decent hunting rifle and some practice. But there should also be questions around how he got the firearm given the nutjob was a convicted felon and their rants should probably have raised a few red flags.
If the weapon was a bog standard russian made AK47 variant then I agree, hitting a target at 300yds is towards the upper range limit for accuracy.
But as AK style* (I've not seen any report of an actual model) weapons are built around the world in a wide variety of qualities & calibres it's quite conceivable that this was a high quality rifle easily capable of producing a tight grouping ay 300yds. Personally, I'm leaning towards 'bad weapon choice' in same vein as millions of US home owners who purchase overpowered rifles for urban home defence.
* those with a visible high mounted gas tube extending beyond the forestock and large foresight.
But as AK style* (I've not seen any report of an actual model) weapons are built around the world in a wide variety of qualities & calibres it's quite conceivable that this was a high quality rifle easily capable of producing a tight grouping ay 300yds
The dear'ol Bbc has some details, some of which demonstrate their usual lack of clue-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgwwqkgzx0o
The suspect was equipped with two digital cameras, a black plastic bag of food, an SKS-style semi-automatic rifle - a weapon with a range of nearly 440 yards - and a scope to magnify its lens.
Someone might want to tell them 7.62x39 has a range of way more than 440yds. But as you say, your yardage may vary. Plus the nutjob had positioned themselves close to one of the holes, so may have been hoping to engage at much closer range. But someone on the Interwebz has probably identified the exact make & model of the rifle, and DHS will hopefully find out how they came by it, along with where the nutjob may have tried test firing it or attempting to set a 300yd battle zero. Someone supplied it though, and didn't supply it lawfully.
"he couldn't give a crap the American people."
Remember the campaign he actually won? He promised to de-fang the EPA and re-open the coal mines. After 4 years in power, not a single coal mine re-opened. He's making those same "promises" again. Worryingly, his supporters still believe him!
And do you remember the promises Biden made? Or Obama? Where are they? How many EV chargers have been installed or rural broadband connections made as part of the IRA?
And didn't Obama campaign on codifying roe into law in 2008 and when he won and had a supermajority in both houses suddenly said 'its not the right time' and kicked the can down the road?
In answer to Musks bad joke, because Biden/Harris are not racist POS and are actually trying to govern for the benefit of the American people.
Challenge here: Show me where he has done anything racist. You should be afraid of a man who claims he's smarter than everyone, says he was top of his class. Afraid of a political figure that knew her boss was on the declining edge of health/sanity, but chose to hide it from the voters. Still makes claims about the border, but says she will fix the problems we face-even though her administration caused them.
Think on that for a while.
"Show me where he has done anything racist."
Shall we start with "THEY ARE EATING THE CATS!"?
Completely untrue, thoroughly debunked, and still being voiced as true by both Trump and his flunky, Vance.
If you do not think it is pure racism that continues this bullshit, you've probably drunk the kool-aid.
"Shall we start with "THEY ARE EATING THE CATS!"?
Completely untrue, thoroughly debunked"
Is it debunked? From what I hear the news have only started asking people recently to which various stories are coming out. Even 911 calls about geese (a protected species?) being taken and eaten?
It is plausible that the claim is untrue and that it was just the drugged up local who ate a cat, but talks with the locals have put the place under a spotlight.
Its almost like Colorado where Venezuelan gangs have been reported taking over an apartment complex despite denials by officials. It seems the latest quibble in that story is the meaning of 'taken over'.
This is normal gaslighting by the political left.
Just remember that only a couple of months ago the US economy was booming and everyone was better off, they just hadn't realised it yet. Even Kamala was touting the success of Bidenomics. Now we are being told that Kamala will fix all the problems with the economy on day one if elected. So are there problems or not?
Problems with the economy? News to me ... Last time I checked (5 minutes ago), my investments are way, WAY up from where they were when Trump left office.
Yes, food and gas prices are up (thanks to large corporations price gouging, mostly[0]), but everything else I need in my day to day life have dropped now that the Covid-driven supply chain issues have mostly been taken care of.
[0] It'd be nice if Congress would look into that ... but they seem to be more interested in finding black cats in coal cellars at midnight ... even though they know damn day well that those cats don't exist. This class of congress-critters, collectively, is going to go down in history as the most useless group of politicians in US history. Perhaps the next group will actually get off their ignorant, fat asses and do their fucking jobs ... pass some legislation to help us little guys who pay them their exorbitant salary.
"WAY up from where they were when Trump left office"
Which happened in the middle of a self induced financial crisis. And let us not forget that during Trump's first term the dems were saying that stock market performance is not an indicator of a good economy. Now under Bidenomics the stock market booming is an indicator of a good economy...
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/24/investing/joe-biden-stock-market/index.html
"Unlike Trump, Biden doesn’t use stocks to judge the economy, White House says"
Flip forward a couple of years:
https://x.com/POTUS/status/1756370186406404276
"The stock market going strong is a sign of confidence in America’s economy."
Its as if they say one thing and mean another....
"thanks to large corporations price gouging"
Actually that is largely bollox. Most retailers are making 2-3% net margins. Actual price gouging is the likes of Apple where margins are more like 50%.
But its nice that you admit to drinking the Democrat Kool Aid.
@AC
"It is literally open season on geese in Ohio right now. Educate yourself before spreading misinformation."
Right now? So were these calls within hunting season? I dont know if they are a protected species (hence the question mark) but there is something about the geese migrating from Canada. Doing a quick search I find this-
"Migratory Bird Treaty Act states that it is illegal to hunt, kill, sell, purchase, or possess migratory birds or their parts (feathers, nests, eggs, etc.) except as permitted by regulations adopted by the Secretary of the Interior, U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service."- https://www.ohiogeesecontrol.com/canada-geese/
So instead of being a coward and a moron, read the comment and give a useful reply.
"I did and so found some information about Canadian Geese being protected"
Did you read your own post?!
Doing a quick search I find this-
"Migratory Bird Treaty Act states that it is illegal to hunt, kill, sell, purchase, or possess migratory birds or their parts (feathers, nests, eggs, etc.) except as permitted by regulations adopted by the Secretary of the Interior, U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service."- https://www.ohiogeesecontrol.com/canada-geese/
Do you know what hunting licenses are, MORON?
"Is it debunked?"
Yes. Even the Governor of the State (Mike DeWine, a Trump supporting Republican) says it's complete bullshit. I just saw him interviewed on PBS.
"Its almost like Colorado where Venezuelan gangs have been reported taking over an apartment complex"
Almost exactly, yes ... except in that case there are actually gang members (ten have been arrested on a variety of charges ranging from domestic battery to traffic violations, since the beginning of the year), but they have not taken over anything. That's pure bullshit. We have far more problems with gangs in Miami, New York, Chicago, LA and Oakland than there ever will be in Aurora, CO.
I suggest you stop getting your "news" from that side of YouTube. It rots the brain, it does.
@jake
"Yes. Even the Governor of the State (Mike DeWine, a Trump supporting Republican) says it's complete bullshit. I just saw him interviewed on PBS."
Great but again I am not just gonna take the word of someone trying to calm the tensions in his state. That doesnt make the claim debunked just as it doesnt make the claim true. Reading the BBC has this gem:
On 10 September, the conservative news outlet, The Federalist, published a story with an audio recording allegedly from a non-emergency call to police in Springfield. The caller claimed to have seen four Haitians carrying four geese.
The article also features what is meant to be a police report from the Clark County Sheriff’s Office about the call which it says was made on 26 August.
BBC Verify contacted the sheriff’s office and asked them whether the audio recording and police report were true.
It directed us to a Springfield City government spokesperson who said "these claims were not substantiated".- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77l28myezko
So maybe its just some people making stuff up, maybe its problems which dont want to be acknowledged or moving at the glacial pace of policing.
"Almost exactly, yes ... except in that case there are actually gang members"
I know, because there was video footage. Its almost like claiming rioters broke into the Capital Building but video footage proved the official lie wrong.
"(ten have been arrested on a variety of charges ranging from domestic battery to traffic violations, since the beginning of the year), but they have not taken over anything"
Which again sounds like the quibble over 'taken over' (please read my comment before replying).
"I suggest you stop getting your "news" from that side of YouTube. It rots the brain, it does."
You get your news from youtube? I use youtube for entertainment only. I get my news from a variety of news sites from all around the world.
So far, from public reporting, and ignoring any conspiracy stuff, the 2 attempts in the former President appear to be due to
(1) a disturbed young man with easy access to suitable weaponry wanting to become famous (posthumously) as The Man Who Shot A President, who was then opportunistic about who he picked
and
(2) someone who is so delusional he imagines Trump will hand Ukraine to Russia, if elected, and decided to take direct action to prevent that. A sad case of "only I can fix this". Hopefully, he's wrong in that, and will now get the psychiatric treatment he needs.
O just realised the big differences between Sunak and Trump. First, Sunak made his fortune himself. Not thanks to millions and millions of dollars from a racist scum dad.
Second, plenty of press that claims “Sunak doesn’t understand how little people think and doesnt care for them” when in reality he has done his best for the UK (tough job after Liz Truss bringing us to the brink of bankruptcy), while in the USA the idiots actually think that Trump cares for them, while he only sees them as stupid marks. Or as scapegoats. Because fascism doesnt work without scapegoats.
Its not clear to me which country Musk is a citizen of, whether its the US or Canada (or even South Africa). If he's in the country legally and he's not committed any crime then there's absolutely no grounds for deporting him and any attempt to do so would set off an interesting round of lawsuits.
One of the lesser known aspects of Republican policy is that they would like to weaponize citizenship by making the granting and revocation of US citizenship an executive act. Citizenship is granted -- and possibly revoked -- only by a Federal court (the massive immigration bureaucracy doesn't grant citizenship, it merely prepares lists of names which it submits to a special session of the court). Republican policymakes would like to change this so that citizenship could be granted, and revoked, by political or bureaucratic whim.
....is to so crush him at the polls that he and people of his ilk won't dare raise their heads for a generation or more.
Taking pot shots at things and people you don't like -- and threatening violence in general against people you don't like -- has become a Republican signature feature. There's always been an undercurrent of violence but over the last decade its gradually become acceptable to openly advocate it, even by people who really should know better. Trump himself has threatened retribution against opponents as recently as a couple of weeks ago and its no good to just keep saying "He's only joking" or "He's not really serious" because quite apart from the fact that unfortunately he really is serious and is not joking other people may take him literally.
I don’t want to be unkind, but as a foreign observer it appears that all the real violence, looting, burning of city precincts, destruction of college campuses, assassination attempts etc - ALL come from the left of the USA. I do not see any violence on the right.
You're not being unkind, just — at best — exceedingly disingenuous.
This assassination attempt was by somebody who voted for Trump in 2016. The previous was by a registered Republican.
Remember those people who stormed the Capitol in 2020 in support of the loser, Trump, looting and resulting in the deaths of six people? Remember those gallows they rigged up?
Charlottesville? The Oklahoma City bombing?
I think he was referring to the country-wide BLM riots. Not only were many people killed, thousands more had their businesses and lives destroyed. The people at the capital were a bunch of jackasses but no one died that afternoon (and it was just an afternoon, not weeks on end). A police officer had a heart attack the next day which some linked (or chose to link) to the stress.
And perhaps you want to look at a proper picture of the 'gallows' you are referring to - it was less than 2 feet high, and made of cardboard...
Both of the attempted assassins made donations to the Democrats. The recent one even had a Biden/Harris bumper sticker on his pick up truck. So it's a real stretch to say they were right wing...
Could you perhaps point to some of these proper pictures, because the ones I am looking at right now, and the ones I saw live on TV, based on the people standing on the platform assembling it maybe about 1.80 metres tall. Any search for cardboard gallows does not result in anything, even using crazy people search engines and sites.
Also, clearly not made of cardboard. It does looks as if it would collapse under the weight of anyone they chose to attach to it, but that's due to the nature of the construction, not the materials.
It was actually assembled in the very early morning and they've never traced the people who did it. Same with the two gifts left at the RNC and DNC HQs.
The placement was just oh so perfect as to give journos a beautiful shot of the capitol building in the background.
@AC
"The people at the capital were a bunch of jackasses but no one died that afternoon"
Sorry to correct you but one person did die. One unarmed protester was shot and killed by a police officer who was exonerated at lightning speed in an event the dems really dont like being questioned.
The poster falsely asserted that "all the real violence, looting, burning of city precincts, destruction of college campuses, assassination attempts etc - ALL come from the left of the USA".
This counterfactual statement can be disproven by supplying any single example of "real" violence/etc by somebody on the right. So I supplied a handful.
This seems to have triggered your little indoctrinated mind into the mental pretzel of "somebody who voted for Trump is left wing, actually!"
If I were you, I'd reconsider my news outlets. Pro tip: don't get it all from X.
This seems to have triggered your little indoctrinated mind into the mental pretzel of "somebody who voted for Trump is left wing, actually!"
Better examples of indoctrination would include things like.. Trump being a convicted felon. He isn't, at least not yet. Jan 6th was an 'insurrection', not an abject failure of Pelosi, who had the duty to maintain security. None of the 1,000+ 'insurrectionists' have actually been charged with insurrection either. Neither were the organisers of Seattle's CHAZ movement, who attempted to declare independence. In both cases, Trump offered help from the National Guard and in both cases, Democrats refused that offer. Then there was stuff like Hunter Bidens laptop being 'Russian Misinformation', or Clinton blaming Russia for her election loss and the list goes on, and on..
But such is politics.
But someone certainly was triggered and indoctrinated into camping out on a golf course for 12hrs to attempt to make a hole in one. The smooth-brained are of course in denial that someone who regularly ranted against Trump and donated several thousand to the Democrats was actually a left-wing Democrat nutjob. Just like the previous would-be assassin. Again at least this one is alive to examine in detail instead of demonstrating that not all on the far-left are actually brainless.
Better examples of indoctrination would include things like.. Trump being a convicted felon. He isn't, at least not yet.
Oh facts are soooo inconvenient, aren't they?
NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump became the first former American president to be convicted of felony crimes Thursday as a New York jury found him guilty of all 34 charges in a scheme to illegally influence the 2016 election through a hush money payment to a porn actor who said the two had sex.
Or are you about to really make and ass/arse of yourself by bleating on that the AP is some manner of Communist conspiracy destined to rot the minds of Fine Upstanding Americans by Indoctrinating them with such mind noise, like, you know, facts?
Or are you about to really make and ass/arse of yourself by bleating on that the AP is some manner of Communist conspiracy destined to rot the minds of Fine Upstanding Americans by Indoctrinating them with such mind noise, like, you know, facts?
Do try to keep up at the back. I leave that sort of misinformation for you. Here's wiki-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_investigations_of_the_Trump_Organization#Criminal_investigation
On April 4, 2023, he pleaded not guilty. The trial began in April 2024, and in May a jury convicted Trump on all 34 counts. The judge consented to two defense sentencing delay requests, resulting in it being scheduled for after the 2024 election
The process is not yet complete, so while a jury might have convicted Trump, the jury's verdict might be overturned. A more complete explanation of why the eternally optimistic or gullible people are, well, wrong can be found here-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23t__ysVjU
Where a Yale law professor explains why you have been mislead. Exactly why you have been mislead is, well, politics rather than law..
The process is not yet complete, so while a jury might have convicted Trump, the jury's verdict might be overturned.
Really?!? You're going to try to absolve the Holy One by trying to revise the dictionary†? To quote Scotty from Star Trek 4: "How quaint".
From Merriam-Webster's dictionary‡:
convict:nouncon·vict (ˈkän-ˌvikt)
1: a person convicted of and under sentence for a crime
2: a person serving a usually long prison sentence
Now I understand that comprehension isn't necessarily your strong suite in cases like this, but do try to follow along...t'pineapple was convicted on 34 felony counts by a jury. That makes him a convict. Full stop. That he hasn't been sentenced yet means fuck-all here; that his conviction might maybe be overturned means fuck-all here. tRump is a convict. And as he was convicted of at least one felony, that also make him a felon.
That concludes our English lesson for today. Please try and keep up.
†I know you righties are all about revisionist history, but revisionist dictionary is a bit of a leap, even for you guys.
‡Yet another instance of a Communist conspiracy destined to rot the minds of Fine Upstanding Americans by Indoctrinating them with such mind noise, like, you know, facts...
From Merriam-Webster's dictionary
That is not an English dictionary.
1: a person convicted of and under sentence for a crime
Cool. So what was his sentence? I'll wait..
You didn't bother watching the videos from that Yale law professor explaining how the US justice system actually works, rather than how TDS sufferers think it should work. Speaking of which, HIlary Clinton has been back on the news calling for spreaders of 'Russian misinformation' to be locked up. Presumably excluding herself from that category after creating her own 'RussiaGate' smear campaign against Trump. Oh, and of course she wasn't jailed for having classified information on her personal mail server and leaking that to the Russians either..
(Future popcorn moments may still exist, like getting the visitors list for Epstein Island released. Or even an IRS audit into the 'Clinton Global Initiative' and casting the hairy eyeball over their donors, or just the way the money was spent.)
"That is not an English dictionary."
Trump was not convicted in England.
If your interpretation of what the Yale Law Professor is saying were correct, Trump would be suing every news agency in the US that ran the story for defamation (a subject he knows all about). He is not, ergo even he and his lawyers agree that he's a convicted felon.
Why persist in the easily debunked lies? Do you enjoy being known as a liar? Or do you just like abuse?
As a side note, nobody gives a shit about the Clintons anymore. Why do you continue beating that dead horse?
Are you certain you want the Epstein list released? Trump flew Air Epstein[0] many times, and they were often seen oogling young girls together at parties.
[0] Still is, kinda ... he's using that very aircraft as his personal jet these days ...
If your interpretation of what the Yale Law Professor is saying were correct, Trump would be suing every news agency in the US that ran the story for defamation (a subject he knows all about). He is not, ergo even he and his lawyers agree that he's a convicted felon.
No, he is not. His lawyers are still arguing that case and it might end up being tossed as a mistrial, or the jury verdict thrown out. Sentencing hasn't been passed, the judgment hasn't been issued. As the other posters dictionary quote shows, he is not yet a convicted felon. And even if he is, he still has the right to appeal. And he has also been suing news agencies, but I think that's mostly regarding accusations that he's a rapist. Which is another show trial he's appealing.
Why persist in the easily debunked lies? Do you enjoy being known as a liar? Or do you just like abuse?
Because you are the liar, and your lies are easily debunked. You are the one who has been abused, and are demonstrating how radicalisation or 'brain washing' works. I've shown that in law, he is not yet a convicted felon, yet you persist in believing that lie. As probably was the nutjob that wanted to assassinate Trump. I'm also not especially a fan of Trump, for example during the last debate he complained that Europe wasn't paying a 'fair share' in the Ukraine proxy war.
Why should the EU & UK automatically follow in funding conflicts the US has started? That's currently an issue for the EU. The US wanted a $50bn funding package agreed, secured by the $300bn stolen from Russia. This was supposed to have a 36 month review, Hungary has vetoed this and wants a 6 monthly review. So now the EU is trying to arrange a 40bn Euro loan instead, but doesn't have the money.
ps.. I mentioned Hilary because she's been back in the news, spreading more misinformation.
Trump has been convicted. He is a convicted criminal, anf has been since the Jury returned the guilty verdicts (all 34 of them).
He just hasn't been sentenced as of yet. This does not alter the convictions.
Out of curiosity, why are you championing a misogynistic criminal who aims to become a dictator? Do you expect to be rewarded or something? Because I'm here to tell you that Trump wouldn't even give you the time of day.
Convicted? Yes. By a 12 strong Jury of NYC residents.
Sentenced? Not yet. The Judge had decided to delay this till after the election. Which is not good for the FOCF as it makes it more likely the sentence will involve some kind of incarceration.
Bad new for the FOCF (and possibly Melania) but good for non-cult members of the human race.
Taking pot shots at things and people you don't like -- and threatening violence in general against people you don't like -- has become a Republican signature feature.
There have been actual pot shots against Trump, and the latest was another Democrat who was stopped before they could fire. Politicians may make themselves targets, but they shouldn't be making each other targets.
Trump himself has threatened retribution against opponents as recently as a couple of weeks ago and its no good to just keep saying "He's only joking"
He probably is, and should be serious. But it depends what you mean by 'retribution'. If that means an investigation into whether there have been violations of the US Hatch Act, then that's how justice should work, and would be good for democracy. That might be a bad thing for some Democrats, but that could just be history repeating itself. The Hatch Act was, after all created after previous dirty tricks campaigns by the Democrats.
Fact check on your claim that 50% of Americans vote Republican:
Trump won with 46% in 2016* to Clinton's 48%, lost with 47% in 2020 to Biden's 51%.
The Republicans have achieved a plurality in the national popular vote only once in the last 30 years, when W Bush got a majority in 2004.
Trump has good odds for a victory in 2024 but is unlikely to hit 50% of the vote.
* because, as everyone knows, national percentage isn't what determines the winner, and if it were then the residents of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc would probably be able to live a much quieter life.
"There have been actual pot shots against Trump, and the latest was another Democrat who was stopped before they could fire."
There was no pot shot in this latest. Nobody has taken another shot at Trump. There has only been the one, and the shooter was a Republican.
On the bright side, a flying piece of teleprompter glass nicked Dear Leader's ear, thus giving the cult members an exciting new fashion accessory to wear in order to signal their allegiance (and give the rest of us a chance to avoid them without the need to interact in any way, shape or form).
"and threatening violence in general against people you don't like"
This is all the left have done since 2016.
FFS they even tried to burn down the apartment building where the Mayor of Portland lived in 2020 as he would not bow down to their unhinged demands.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/riot-declared-in-portland-after-fire-in-mayors-building/
"Stochastic terrorism is not a damn joke."
Yes, that entire concept is a joke. It's an idiotic idea created to attack people you don't like for doing nothing wrong. If you state "I hate <insert anything here>" and someone causes harm to them, you get blamed.
Unless a person is actively calling for violence, they are not responsible for it happening.
If we followed this idiotic concept, with the sheer number of leftists calling Donald Trump a "threat to democracy" they would all be guilty for these assassination attempts. But no, I like to be fair minded. They can spout their BS "threat to democracy" all they want, they're not guilty of terrorist activity, at least for that. And this joke from Elon, same thing, it was a joke, get over it.
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That was his father. Trump himself never liked being associated with plebs or plebian developments and was always known for trying-too-hard, in-your-face, gaudy, wannabe-luxury "high end" developments with his name plastered all over them.
Though given how run down some of them have apparently become, they may well end up being gold-coated reflective glass slums anyway!
Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Commander-Cheat-Explains-brilliant-bestseller/dp/1472266102
Of course, Trump and his army of wannabe sycophants would have you believe that such bankruptcies are a genius business move that made him better off at everyone else's expense.
The most pathetic and damning thing is that, despite that "advantage" of being so obviously unconstrained by ethical considerations, Trump- a man who, let's remember, *inherited* his wealth- is still less well off than he would have been had he simply invested that inheritance in a tracker fund and otherwise done... nothing.
I wouldn't.
You appear to confuse "making money" with inheriting it. It should be stating the obvious to point out that it's quite easy to have a lot of money if you start off with a lot of money.
And yet, even with that advantage, Trump is poor at *actually* "making money". It's generally agreed that he'd have been quite a bit more wealthy than he is today if he'd taken his inheritance, invested it in a tracker fund and dedicated himself full time to cheating at golf.
If he plays golf so much why is he so bad at it ?
I once read an article by a reporter who had talked (off-the-record) with the pros and caddies at some of Trump's course. The pros said that a couple or three decades ago he was a decent amateur golfer (they estimated he probably had a mid-high single-digit handicap) but was never as good as he (and his scorecards) claimed. And they said he's certainly not anywhere as good as he used to be (no surprise there, he's 80). The caddies had a nickname for him back in the day. They called him "Pelé". 'nuf said?
It's really hard to get the ball past the windmill and through the drainpipe
The US elections would have been far more entertaining if this campaign had been settled on the golf course, as Biden challenged Trump during their debate. Then again, Biden was swiftly removed and replaced by the DNC's annointed candidate, even though no Democrats actually got the chance to vote for her in the Primaries. And the last time she ran in those, she was the first candidate to be eliminated. Ah, Democratcy.. It's not how you vote, it's who you know.
It ends with:
At the end of the day, this is the one thing scarier than Elon Musk: the fact that we all wanted so badly to believe his empty promises that we let him run amok, and allowed him to become something that even he clearly doesn’t actually control anymore. Musk and Tesla are one man and one company, and in theory could be brought into line with enough political will, but they exist in their current monstrous states precisely because we can no longer summon the political will to do anything hard. Musk is the ugly reflection of our collective ineptitude, apathy and stupidity, and as long as he goes unpunished he will continue to pollute our physical and mental environment in ever more grotesque ways.
Now then nice Mr Hungry Alligator, don't take what I said a few days ago literally and chomp on an orange coloured appetising snack that you happen to come across on a golf course... Even one that is a cheat.
https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2024/09/06/musk_government_efficiency_trump/#c_4926576
On the other hand...
If you happen to come across orange coloured snacks like these, then go ahead...
And there I was thinking that his "joke" offering to impregnate Taylor Swift was going to be the stupidest thing he did this week............
He's lucky he's so rich and famous - otherwise his week might have been a journey from arrested development to simply arrested.
Typical left handed wingnut response.
BTW, I actually visited the Stalin museum. It is in Georgia. No not *that* Georgia, numbnuts. Stalin is the guy who defeated Hitler, for those with a publiek skool edumakasjun. Also, Georgia is a very nice country to visit for a holiday.
Maybe you'd be better off asking the FOCF after his debate with her?
And that's the sort of word-play that seems funny in another language but doesn't really work in English.
Perhaps (IDK) she has a sense of humour and finds things amusing?
It's a thing with non-weird people.
“If I was Biden I'd hurry up and have Trump murdered on the basis that he is a threat to America's security”, David Aaronovitch
No, he's merely pointing out (as I have done) that SCOTUS literally handed the President (whoever that is. AFAIK there is no limit by name) the power to declare someone (including members of the SCOTUS) a threat to the United States and have them legally killed in the US by basically any part of the Federal Govt.
No Judge. No jury. No trial.
In the UK context it's a case of ROTFLMFAO comment but in the US context it's a suggestion to stop pussyfooting around the fact that the FOCF is an existential threat to the existence of the 250YO democratic republic.
Some of those SELwho support the FOCF have stated openly they want to end the Constitution.
Personally I would not have the FOCF killed. That would deprive the American people of their right to choose from the stated list of candidates. However with absolute immunity there are quite a few people who should be removed to create a fairer, more honest and less corrupt system.
Remember, due to the SCOTUS ruling this is not incitement or domestic terrorism. You might like to think of it as the title of an old Sherlock Holmes film, "Murder By Decree."
Bullshit.
NOBODY thought presidents had immunity for anything that fell under the huge umbrella of "official acts". If they did, Ford would not have pardoned Nixon and Nixon would not have accepted the pardon (part of accepting the pardon is admission of guilt) If Harris wins I hope one of her first actions will be to push a bill that explicitly states that presidents are not above the law, and can face consequences for their actions even if they are "official acts" like ordering Seal Team 6 to assassinate your rivals.
That Supreme Court ruling was a surprise to everyone, even the most conservative legal scholars. I'm not sure if even Trump's lawyers thought it would fly, but Trump's entire legal strategy is one of delay so he wouldn't have to face a jury for his crimes so his lawyers have been throwing every possible bit of sand in the gears of justice until the election. Where he's either elected and he's scot-free, or he's not and the delay strategy will run out and he's already pretty much said he'll flee to Venezuela to escape justice. Which I'd be fine with, he'd be too much trouble to imprison, I just think if he's on the lam he should lose his SS protection. He can afford his own security.
I think you need to research what Nixon did. Nixon was impeached for violating the constitutional rights of others and for refusing to turn over the audio tapes in an attempt to cover up what had been going on.
To quote from the SCOTUS ruling on withholding the recordings:
"While the Court acknowledged that the principle of executive privilege did exist, the Court would also directly reject President Nixon's claim to an "absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances.""
The interesting thing being that the Biden admin has refused to turn over the recordings of the Hur interview with sleepy Joe...
Trump has not done any of the things that Nixon did. If anything it has been Obama and Biden that have done similar things to Nixon.
Trump has not done any of the things that Nixon did
No, he did far worse.
He tried to overthrow the entire fucking democracy because he didn't want to lose! Then he stole classified documents and obstructed justice by hiding them and claimed he returned them all. Even his former AG Bill Barr thinks it will be an open and shut case. I know his pet judge dismissed it, but the appeals court is going to undo that, and hopefully remove her as judge. He will face time for that crime even if he wiggles out of everything else, unless he flees the country. No claims of presidential immunity are possible there because he committed that crime after he left office.
You need to do better than that. Biden took classified docs and knowingly showed them to his ghostwriter and the establishment has been busy covering for him since the story broke. Biden didn't have presidential immunity as he wasn't president at the time. The only reason Hunter took the guilty plea is to keep his dad's crimes covered up.
Dems and their elite supporters have been having tantrums ever since 2000 when they don't win, unleashed and actively encouraged BLM and pantifa to terrorise the country between 2016 and 2020 and have radicalised people to such an extent that there have been two attempts on Trump's life in the last 2 months. Remember all the super rich Hollywood types asking the electoral college electors not to certify for Trump?
If you didn't have double standards you'd have no standards at all.
Oh and Bill Barr is voting for Trump.
Every time I have the misfortune to listen to MSNBC, there are claims that Trump is basically the same as Hilter, is threatening the existence of our democracy, blah blah blah.
If those aren't invitations to assassinate him, I don't know what are.
I mean, if you had the chance to assassinate Hitler, wouldn't you? Shouldn't you?
Dems need to dial it back by about 98%.
Worse? Probably not. The Republicans might be able to find somebody so far right that s/he makes the Cheneys or Pence look like educated, tolerant pussycats ... and probably would. But there is no way that person could command Trump's personality cult. That took over a decade to develop, the cultists will not change their loyalty overnight.
And no, the idiot Vance would not be allowed to attempt to take over.
Actually, I suspect the idiots in charge of such things would select Trump Jr. for the roll ...
Trump's cult predates Trump. They have been around for a long time but were ignored by everyone. Trump's first speeches included a large number of vague ideas. He focused on the ones that got a cheer, honed them to match the loudest members of the audiences beliefs then took them to extremes. The cult does not follow Trump but they support him because he was the only person seeking nomination who said exactly what they wanted to hear. While Trump is alive they will not support anyone else. If Trump gets assassinated they will seek a replacement who tells them what they like to hear. I do not know who that will be but I am sure that person will be less incompetent at retaining power than Trump.
The way forward is through the ballot box. A clear victory for Harris will show that getting support from right wing extremists costs too many votes from the centre.
"Cheneys or Pence look like educated"
Ain't they all supporting Kamala now? Ohhhh.... ahhh.... yeah, that makes sense now.
"the cultists will not change their loyalty overnight"
The dem lackies very quickly switched from the "biden is sharp as a tack" to "Kamala will fix all the problems". Now that is a cult!
I'm not so sure about that.
Peter Thiel really wants those tax cuts for billionaires and he's worked sooo hard to get his BFF in the role (nothing says "affection" like kicking $15m into your pals Senate bid. More than all other contributions combined).
For some reason whenever I think of Peter Thiel I can't get the image of Russell Brand in the film "Saint Trinians" out of my mind.
Can't think why.
Any claim that the Democrats are saying/writing worse things about trump than the MAGA Republicans do about ... well, anyone who isn't one of them, is simply delusional. Or outright lying.
In addition to Trump himself, the hateful rhetoric from the darkest corners of MAGA media is so much worse than even the leftyist of the left, e.g. MSNBC in your poor straw man example.
Steve Bannon's Breitbart, Alex Jones' Infowars, literally calling for uprising, literally profiting from gun violence and tragedy. Throw in anything from Tucker Carlson, and the remaining lying sycophant commentators from Fox news for good measure. It's saying something when Fox is the tamest of that shameful lot, but are still awful.
Megyn Kelly swearing at/about Taylor Swift was an embarrassing spectacle too. She looked and sounded unhinged.
Fact-checking Trump when he lies is not an attack. Or Vance. Or any other MAGA trump crony.
Trump or any MAGA mouthpiece saying Biden/Harris/Democrats are to blame for inciting attempts on his life is so ironic, when in the same breath Trump says Biden/Harris/Democrats are "trying to destroy the country". Every dog whistle lie from Trump's mouth is an incitement or a shallow attempt at self-promotion or both.
None of what I said is untrue.
https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/all-in/2015-10-27-msna757211
"They`re still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump"
https://www.newsweek.com/dan-goldman-calling-trump-eliminated-sparks-maga-fury-1845364
"He is destructive to our democracy, and he has to be eliminated,"
First, this Dan Goldman person is quite likely nearly unknown outside of his district in New York city. Certainly not as high profile as Trump, Vance, or even some of Trump's MAGA parrots.
Second, he said he mis-spoke, and apologized for it; from your own cited article, not cherry-picked as you did:
"While [Trump] must be defeated, I certainly wish no harm to him and do not condone political violence. I apologize for the poor choice of words."
Trump has never apologized for anything. Not for things he's said and done which are destructive to other people, and the entire country, if not the world.
No, Trump just hurts people's fee-fees. It is the US political elite who are calling for Trump to be killed to save 'our democracy'.
I don't even think that Trump has ever likened Hillary, Joe or Kamala to political figures from the 1930s. He's called them hurty names like 'nasty' and 'incompetent'.
Other examples being the dem governor of Michigan with her 86/45 sign in the background during a TV interview a few years back and Alex Soros tweeting out a picture of a bullet hole in a sheet of glass along with 47 dollars.
Don't forget that this is the same Trump who (according to Mark Esper) asked if it would be OK for the US Military to be used to shoot the protesters in Washington DC during the first week of June, 2020.
It is also the same Trump who (along with Barr) pushed through the executions of federal prisoners in the last days of his presidency.
And the same Trump who said "He deserves it" when the crowd was chanting "Hang Mike Pence".
The same Trump who thought that Mark Milley should be executed.
I could go on and on ... I shall refrain, for your reading pleasure.
You are fake news. Please report to your local police station for incarceration for spreading propaganda.
"according to Mark Esper"
Did he see Trump at 31 flavors? It must have been pretty bad! Why are all these claims third hand? Poop on the walls of the capitol? No pictures?? Really? Sources close to... sources with knowledge of...
"He deserves it"
You are aware that this comment comes from Cassidy Hutchinson who supposedly overheard someone else saying to someone else that Trump said that. Not even Lionel Hutz would use that as evidence! The Jan 6th kangaroo court never asked Mark Meadows if this was true. They just took the word of a 4th party looking for her 15 mins of fame and get sales for her book.
"Mark Milley should be executed."
What Trump actually said was "This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!"
The only thing there with a vague nugget of truth is the executions but let us not forget that Sleepy Joe said he would end the death penalty and... well... he hasn't. Which comes as no surprise.
Your flimsy whataboutism and troll-editing is noted.
Look, there's a very large difference between "high profile dem supporters" (whoever you imagine that is) and the _actual_ MAGA people and their mouthpieces.
As recently as this week, Trump posted "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT!" for all the world to see. It's hard to see how that's anything but a personal attack. It's possibly also counter-productive for Trump, but it's not the first time.
Trump and his latest appointed crony Vance are still repeating and amplifying debunked lies. Vance all but admitted during this weekend's news cycle that it's made-up and that he's using it for political purposes.
Trump himself has incited an attack on the US Capitol, and you can easily find other smaller but similar examples from his rally speeches.
But sure, go on claiming that some stupid and obviously fake picture that idiot has-been Kathy Griffin posted is the same thing.
"Look, there's a very large difference between "high profile dem supporters" (whoever you imagine that is) and the _actual_ MAGA people and their mouthpieces."
So how many of the _actual_ MAGA people have been on CNN, MSNPC etc? Zero.
Saying you hate Taylor Swift (which is entirely fair) is a world away from 'someone needs to put a bullet in Trump'. If he'd said someone needs to put a bullet in TS then yeah, that would be bad but that didn't happen.
"repeating and amplifying debunked lies"
Like how Kamala and Joe repeated debunked lies during the debate? Inflation was 9% when Joe entered office, worst unemployment ever etc.. All complete lies and debunked even by the likes of politico.
"So how many of the _actual_ MAGA people have been on CNN, MSNPC etc? Zero."
Vance and Trump both have made appearances on CNN and other American media. They are regularly quoted and their own video clips are shown in most US-national media outlets as well.
So have Trump's various lawyers and other spokesmen.
So you're either lying or bad at maths, possibly both.
That's alright though, you carry on tying yourself into twisty little mental knots to excuse whatever Trump says.
Trump himself has incited an attack on the US Capitol, and you can easily find other smaller but similar examples from his rally speeches.
citation needed
The Democrats have gone to extraoridinary lengths to claim 'incitement' or 'insurrection', yet haven't got very far in actually proving this. There's a ton of video showing protestors ambling around the Capitol, some with a police escort. Pelosi had the responsibility for security, was offered extra resources by Trump, yet along with the Democrat Mayor, turned down those offers. Then there's the rally speeches, like 'Bloodbath!', oft repeated by the Democrats, yet intentionally taken totally out of context, ie Trump talking about a potential 'bloodbath in the auto industry
It isn't suprising that the incesant anti-Trump propaganda coming from the Democrats and their media cheerleaders has radicalised some gullible Americans (and Europeans) into believing the 'fake news', to the extent of actually trying to end the threat.
Again citation needed
Trump and his latest appointed crony Vance are still repeating and amplifying debunked lies.
Debunked by.. whom? The Springfield city manager, who might not be entirely unbiased? Or repeated by some Springfield residents who have been repeating the same claims. But there's also the bigger picture. So per wiki-
As of the 2020 census, the city had a total population of 58,662
Why have an estimated 20-30,000 Haitains been bused into Smalltown USA, rather than larger 'Sanctuary Cities' like LA, SF, NY, Chicago etc that would have better infrastructure to support that kind of migrant influx?
> There's a ton of video showing protestors ambling around the Capitol, some with a police escort.
There is also a ton of video showing protestors attacking Capitol police officers, breaking windows, destroying US government property.
> Pelosi had the responsibility for security, was offered extra resources by Trump, yet along with the Democrat Mayor, turned down those offers.
None of that is true. It is oft-repeated lying.
> It isn't suprising that the incesant anti-Trump propaganda coming from the Democrats and their media cheerleaders has radicalised some gullible Americans (and Europeans) into believing the 'fake news', to the extent of actually trying to end the threat.
It isn't suprising [sic] that the incesant Trump propaganda coming from the Republicans and their media cheerleaders has radicalised some gullible Americans (and Europeans) into believing the 'fake news', to the extent of actually trying to end the threat.
There, see how that works?
"None of that is true. It is oft-repeated lying."
JE is close, it was the capitol police themselves who turned down any support. The capitol police do report to both the leader of the house and the leader of the senate.
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-help-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380
It does appear that the DoD took over 3 hours to respond to requests for support on the day.
Indeed, and you also have to ask why she had her daughter there with a film crew following her about.
Oh and that reminds me of another Kamala lie, she claimed she was in the capitol during the mostly peaceful demonstration but she was actually at the DNC HQ the whole time.
Do you really want to go down this route?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaG276f0ffg
"I was at the Capitol on January 6th.. I was there"
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/04/doj-kamala-harris-jan-6-519505
“[T]he government incorrectly stated that Vice President-Elect Harris was present in the U.S. Capitol at the time of the attack,” prosecutors wrote in a court filing in one Jan. 6 case Tuesday. “In fact, Vice President-Elect Harris was not present at that particular time, though she was present earlier in the day and was present later that day.”
Me neither. On the other hand, when you have a very large audience and you utter something along the lines of "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?", you need to learn to think before speaking, even if you intend it as a "joke". As Stan Lee frequently said, "with great power comes great responsibility".
@John Brown (no body)
"On the other hand, when you have a very large audience and you utter something along the lines of "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?", you need to learn to think before speaking, even if you intend it as a "joke"."
I think that is where the double standard is the problem. Even after saying they would calm it down the dems have continued saying far worse than Musk
As Stan Lee frequently said, "with great power comes great responsibility".
Stan Lee was sadly incorrect. With great power, you can do whatever you want because nobody can stop you. Destabilise sovereign nations, invade Afghanistan because OBL wasn't living there. Occupy large chunks of Syria. Assassinate Iranian Generals in Iraq. Invade Iraq. Trigger 'color revolutions' in Libya, Georgia, and of course Ukraine.. After all, those trillions in natural resources would be far better managed by the US, right?
Sadly for the Ukrainians, that one has run into a bit of a wall. Perhaps sadly for the Democrats, their latest assassin was rabidly pro-Ukrainian.
And there is the Ukraine bash. You really hate Ukraine...
Where do you get that idea? Also (and genuinely curious), are you Ukrainian? But I've said it many times. I don't hate Ukraine, I hate the comedian and the regime running it. They seem hell bent on killing as many Ukrainians as possible, and aren't willing to consider any serious peace proposals. And it isn't really as though they have any choice. They've lost this conflict and are now entirely at the mercy of the West, who are going to want their generosity repaid. Ukraine's future is to be asset stripped.
And again Ukraine could help it's image, along with its chances of EU Accession by de-nazifying. A very simple thing to do, just copy what pretty much every EU country has done and make it illegal to wear, display or promote that ideology. Azov were sanctioned by the US, yet this recent nutjob was in a propaganda video with them.. Which perhaps just demonstrates how ignorant many in the US & West are regarding Ukrainian history and politics.. Which is also a problem for the future. Ukraine will have to de-nazify to join the EU, or if Russia wins. Except Russia will probably be less gentle. And knowing this, many of Ukraine's neo-nazis and very extreme right are going to try and seek sanctuary in the West. And we have enough of those of our own.
Think of it as the "You can't shout 'Fire!' in a theatre" argument.
Because the fear and panic you induce is likely to get someone killed in the crush.
So running your mouth to an audience of 195.8 million twits is not a good idea.
It doesn't so much depend on the result as it depends on the intent.
If the intent is to warn of an actual fire, you might be hailed as a hero, even if everybody ignores you and they all die.
If the intent is to cause a panic, maybe not so much, even if everybody ignores you and they all survive the lack of panic.
Musk is an idiot and a very clever one. I am foolish too, at times. I tell you who isnt an idiot, the other one. The one I like. She is lovely.
Musk is clearly baiting you and judging by the commenturds volume of replies, most can not control their hatred for these incredibly rich people. You are but Winston in the cafe at the end after watching a newsflash on the telescreen about the War. Winston proffers that an stragedy by his side will impact on the other side in the War. Winston has forgotten that the War is a front. But he still remembers deep down.
Thats you that is.
> Musk is clearly baiting you and judging by the commenturds volume of replies, most can not control their hatred for these incredibly rich people.
Not sure Musk is, but you're certainly trolling as unsubtly and clunkily as possible!
(Also, re:"commenturd", you do realise the word you're parodying is already a portmanteau/parody, right?)
> Winston proffers that an stragedy
It's honestly hard to tell what's trolling here, and what is genuine stupidity.
It certainly sounded like a call for volunteers.
Although the tweet (xeet, considering it's on Xitter) has since been deleted, the fool has not apologised, instead claiming that when he's made the comment previously, it was well received.
I find it difficult to believe that anyone this moronic actually has an engineering degree and the strong suspicion arises that he paid someone to sit his examinations.
I am sure the comment was well received by his closest associates. That tells me none of those associates are his friends. I am sure Musk or one of those associates will construct some elaborate conspiracy theory that allows him to think the size of push back was faked by an army of bots and sock puppets.
If we're talking about Musk, he doesn't. BS (physics), BA (economics)
Ah from undergraduate days - Bull Shit and Bugger All. ;)
Still do they teach veggie physics in ZA? I cannot get my head around this fool actually understanding Newtonian mechanics let alone Schrödinger's (cat or equations.)
Hey down-voter(s), feel free to bash that thumbs-down to your heart's content, it won't change the facts.
Snopes article on Musk's degrees. Note that the one he claims as a physics degree (picture in the article, from court document filings), is both a BA, and does not specify the subject, as far as I can make out, because he didn't complete enough course credits to get the degree, and then "filled them in" later with credits from unrelated courses - i.e., it's actually a "general" degree.
His economics degree is a "BS", but then, that describes a lot of economic theory: BS.
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"Well, one lesson I've learned is that just because I say something to a group and they laugh doesn't mean it's going to be all that hilarious as a post on X"
Maybe, just maybe, it's because you've surrounded yourself with "yes men", after summarily firing anyone who doesn't immediately agree with everything you say?
It's far more likely that Musk's sycophants laugh at his "jokes" because they're sycophants, and not because the joke is funny.
Seriously, though, this is why billionaires are a huge danger to the rest of the human race. Their wealth separates them from reality so much, that they lose the normal feedback of human interaction, and start thinking and believing some very strange things. Normally, this wouldn't be a problem, but being billionaires, they also have the means to put their wacko ideas into action. I don't know what form Musk's eventual fall will take, but it won't be pretty to look at.
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