back to article Homing pigeon missiles, dead trout swimming, butt breathing honored with Ig Nobel Prize

With less than a month to go before the Nobel Prizes are handed out for the most worthy scientific discoveries of the preceding year, it would be remiss of The Register not to observe the honors conferred by the gong's bratty little brother, the Ig Nobel Prize. The satirical ceremony has been run annually since 1991 by the …

  1. CountCadaver Silver badge

    Well many already talk out of their backside so makes sense you can breathe via the same route

    1. ttlanhil

      And for many it's a source of sunlight

    2. spold Silver badge

      I have come across a number of people with a tendency to exhale

    3. Alien Doctor 1.1

      I wonder if the authors of said study are orange florida mans' personal physicians?

    4. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Surely most people who've done a degree course must have had at least one lecturer whose ability to drone on endlessly, seemingly without taking a breath, suggested anal inhalation was a reality. I certainly did (two in fact - partial differential equations and mathematical analysis 4).

    5. Bebu
      Windows

      "Well many already talk out of their backside"

      The necessary gross converse would make for some definitely challenging "flavours."

      Many of the IT billionaire certainly do and some look like it. All have parallel fusion reactors installed to illuminate their doings.

  2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    There's something very odd about the botany one. The first reference in the linked article is to a publication by Elsevier and it's a free download.

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  4. Madf1ier
    Mushroom

    Invalid GPS location

    Erm.

    Don't homing pigeons return to...

    You know. Their own home...?

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Invalid GPS location

      The authors are also going for a Darwin Award, for when the missile homes in on... Home

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Umm... No.

      If I recall correctly, they weren't homing pigeons. Instead they were trained to peck seed on the outline of a ship, and the idea was that - given an appropriate window on the missile - they would peck on the window, and that could be used for steering. A little like the one about training dogs to run under tanks, and then send them out with bobns strapped to their backs. And about as successful.

      1. david 12 Silver badge

        Re: Umm... No.

        like the one about training dogs to run under tanks, [...] And about as successful.

        The pigeon experiments were successful. It's just that advances in electronics made electronics more useful.

        The dog experiments were not successful. They trained explosive dogs to return to friendly vehicles.

        1. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
          Mushroom

          Re: Umm... No.

          wasn't there a chicken powered atomic bomb at one point?

          1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

            Re: Umm... No.

            No, the vindaloo just made it seem like that.

            1. imanidiot Silver badge

              Re: Umm... No.

              Not really chicken powered, just chicken heated. (See Blue Peacock nuclear landmine)

              1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

                Re: Umm... No.

                imanidiot,

                No. Chicken powered. It was a poultronium fusion device. Poultronium was discovered a couple of years ago, when a chicken tried to cross the Large Hadron Collider. It was vapourised in a matter of peckoseconds - and all that remained was a heavy metal which turned out to be both fissile and weapons grade. Rather than working by implosion, this device is spun in a strong magnetic field in order to create the chain reaction. Research has been ongoing since - to create the rotisserie bomb. The most devastating weapon yet devised by mankind.

                1. 42656e4d203239 Silver badge
                  Coffee/keyboard

                  Re: Umm... No.

                  Icon says it all really....

                  /me is off to get a new cuppa.

        2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: Umm... No.

          "The dog experiments were not successful. They trained explosive dogs to return to friendly vehicles."

          Wasn't the problem that they trained then on the smell of the fuel and used petrol like their own vehicles while the enemy used Diesel, or vice versa? Or was that a different experiment?

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      3. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
        Linux

        Re: Umm... No.

        They also taught pigeons to search for lifeboats in a similar manner but with the opposite intended outcome.

        1. PB90210 Silver badge

          Re: Umm... No.

          And they even tried training gulls to crap on the periscopes of submarines... unfortunately 'sea gulls' are coastal birds, so preferred to crap on the periscopes on the home team rather than fly further out to sea to 'spot' enemy subs

      4. Tom66

        Re: Umm... No.

        I suppose the poor pigeon didn't realise that they were pecking to their ultimate doom. Seems rather sad, but nothing in war is fair, I suppose.

    3. Rattus

      Pigeon Guideded Missiles

      I cite prior art in this case....

      IIRC there were pigeon guided bombs in WWII

      see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Pigeon Guideded Missiles

        Yeah, I think, like you and I, quite a few commentards are aware of that. Yet the author seemed surprised by it. Maybe he's young :-)

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    5. Phones Sheridan

      Re: Invalid GPS location

      Video of said pigeon guidance system can be found here https://youtu.be/QvNwd-gU1sM?si=ApLFqD-sgMoASp52

  5. Arthur the cat Silver badge

    It sure beats having tobacco smoke blown up one's rectum, which was something doctors in the 1700s actually used to do to resuscitate the presumed dead – hence the phrase.

    Thankfully, we've moved onto defibrillators.

    I can imagine an anally inserted (and fired) defibrillator would wake the dead.

    1. UCAP Silver badge
      Joke

      Cattle prod (with the safeties disabled aka Simon the BOFH) is probably more effective.

    2. IGotOut Silver badge

      "I can imagine an anally inserted (and fired) defibrillator would wake the dead."

      Failing that, give one hell of a boner. And no, my search history is bad enough already. Go do your own research.

      1. veti Silver badge

        That's what incognito mode is for.

        1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
          Devil

          It's what a colleague's unattended but unlocked computer is for...

  6. Herby

    Next...

    The Darwin awards. From what I understand were put out to pasture (so to speak), but I will accept a correction if this is not the case.

    1. chivo243 Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Next...

      Sad if it has, but there have been so many entrants of late(thanks to social media challenges for a start), it used to be a special award for that extra stupidity that people just did because the were idiots, and not trying to get famous for 15 seconds.

      1. IGotOut Silver badge

        Re: Next...

        Problem with the Darwin awards is since the advent of TikTok, there are just to many entries to sieve through.

    2. Bebu
      Windows

      Re: Next...

      The Darwin awards. From what I understand were put out to pasture (so to speak)

      The latest and I must say rather talented laureates I could find were from 2022 https://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2022.html.

      While there is a massive pool of also rans there are still a smallish number of truly creative individuals unintentionally achieving self destruction who deserve their well earned recognition of a Darwin Award.* Would be a great shame if they were denied postumous immortality. ;)

      * I suspect Erasmus Darwin might have appreciated these awards more than Charles. He preferred the Lunar Society to the loony society of becoming the physician to George III.

      1. Alien Doctor 1.1
        Pint

        Re: Next...

        Love the Erasmus reference, his work on natural selection preceeded Charles by quite a while.

        Have one on me.

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  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The Kangarooning of demography

    And the 9th award winner for 2024, in the Demography category (between 8-Chemistry and 10-Biology, hopped-scotch-whiskeyed over slightly in Richard's Saturday night's alright cool list ...) is: "Supercentenarians and the Oldest-Old Are Concentrated into Regions with No Birth Certificates and Short Lifespans" ... oddly enough ... ! (for an even ten)

    1. Jedit Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      "And the 9th award winner for 2024"

      I was going to comment that the article gave a list of ten winners with only nine entries. However, I had presumed that in the spirit of this year's theme it was a deliberate error in the count of the awards rather than an award being omitted.

  8. Bebu
    Windows

    Dead trout swimming...

    Sounds a bit like "pining for the fjords" but actually an interesting if odd study.

    The dead trout were towed rather than "swimming" behind the vortex shedding cylinder in order to determine the contribution of purely passive motion to the living fish's Kármán* gait.

    I didn't know that fish naturally position themselve in vortices rather in undisturbed water. Must discover why - better oxygenation?

    * presumably named afer von Kármán

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: Dead trout swimming...

      "Must discover why"

      More food. Bugs get sucked under when surface tension gets broken.

      "Sucked" is the wrong word, but it describes the action nonetheless.

      1. Eclectic Man Silver badge

        Re: Dead trout swimming...

        In turbulent water there are eddies in which a fish can remain stationary with minimal effort, rather than having to swim against the current in the main channel.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Dead trout swimming...

          "In turbulent water there are eddies"

          And is it his sofa in the local canal....?

          1. Rob Daglish

            Re: Dead trout swimming...

            Potentially so, if he wasn’t home when they tried to deliver it. I’ve heard that Eddys in the space time continuum, which is a some sort of vogon laundromat…

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Dead trout swimming...

      Agreed! This use of Karman Vortex Streets to swim upstream, even when "dead" (but still flexible), is quite hip. Some folks did interesting simulations of that in 2016 (MATLAB and OpenFoam). Their Fig. 14 (pdf p.13) shows an articulated "Trout robot inside the simulated Karman Vortex Street" for example.

      Ultrafast Miniature Robotic Swimmers (that "noninvasively access the enclosed space in the human body") might also benefit from those vortex streets, or at least from "vortices generated by [their] tailbeats" (Fig. 2) (like flying robot insects also).

      1. Mister Dubious
        Trollface

        Re: Dead trout swimming...

        The "miniature swimmers" experiment has already been tried on human subjects, albeit with mixed results. Just ask Robert F. Kennedy Junior.

      2. Kernel

        Re: Dead trout swimming...

        "This use of Karman Vortex Streets to swim upstream, even when "dead" (but still flexible), is quite hip. "

        This might explain something that I have occasionally wondered about - some years ago when visiting Lake Como I was surprised to see a used condom on the surface determinedly swimming towards shore against the wind. We live and learn.

  9. William Towle
    Thumb Up

    50-50-90 rule may apply?

    The coins one has taken a while for someone to look into. I noticed a strong same-side bias in myself while at school and concluded similarly that the best guarantee of a fair flip was not to observe the coin when placed:

    > "Furthermore, the data revealed considerable between-people variation in the degree of this same-side bias. Our data also confirmed the generic prediction that when people flip an ordinary coin -- with the initial side-up randomly determined -- it is equally likely to land heads or tails: Pr(heads)=0.500"

    Having wondered whether technique influenced my personal bias, I found that careful rotation of the hand between flipping and capture led to fairly predictable results - keeping the hand steady and rotating it "upward" (about the index finger) prior to capture retained the same-side bias I originally noticed, whereas "downward" (about the little finger instead) led to the opposite expectation.

    I also suspected others' mileage may vary in typical circumstances, which seems borne out by their summary.

    1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

      Re: 50-50-90 rule may apply?

      To land with the same side up as it started, a coin has to perform and even number of half rotations. To land the other way up, an odd number. It's not 50:50; it's a weighted average of number of half rotations × probability of that number.

    2. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: 50-50-90 rule may apply?

      As I child I noticed the opposite - my flips would most often land the opposite side up. I fairly quickly assessed that it was down to consistency of technique - if I launch and catch it the same every time, the outcome should be the same (barring external forces)

      I accept that the margins are quite tight, but I could predict the outcome and be correct in about 75% of attempts.

      (icon for when the launch went wrong)

    3. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: 50-50-90 rule may apply?

      "The coins one has taken a while for someone to look into. I noticed a strong same-side bias in myself while at school and concluded similarly that the best guarantee of a fair flip was not to observe the coin when placed:"

      And, when you noticed this at school, did you go out of your way not to look when tossing a coin with friends to make a decision, or did you look very carefully to gain an advantage? :-)

  10. PaulVD

    What a wonderful journal title

    Every crop of Ig Nobels brings some wonderful new knowledge to the world's attention. This year, we learn that there is a real scientific journal named "Plant Signaling & Behavior".

    "I inspected my imagination: it boggled." - P. G. Wodehouse.

  11. Ian Johnston Silver badge

    The medical one seems old hat. It has been known for ages that the placebo effect is real and increases if the patient thinks they have taken the actual drug, so for an effective trial the placebo should have all the same side effects as the real stuff. This raises ethical issues if these side effects are unpleasant or harmful.

    1. Vincent Ballard

      I don't think that's quite right, because the patient won't necessarily know what side effects the real stuff has (and anyway, side effects vary from person to person). But I am reminded of something I read decades ago about making placebos taste really unpleasant because the patient will think that something that nasty must be effective.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        One interesting, but unfortunate, side effect of modern drug trials is that placebos become more effective.

        If you have people come into a lab with lots of flashing machines that go ping, lots of people in white coats and have them sign lots of impressive forms about risk of death - they believe the stuff must be powerful and get better. Irrespective of if it's real. Making the placebos have side effects will make this worse

        It means a lot of safe effective drugs have failed trials simply because they aren't statistically better than the placebo.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Or it could be the self-selecting guinea pigs are not being properly medically assessed to make sure they really do have the illness they claim :-)

  12. TeeCee Gold badge

    Pidgeon guided missiles?

    Pah! I've already figured out the perfect counter.

    Cat guided anti-missile systems.

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    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Pidgeon guided missiles?

      And if you want really accurate targetting by surprise, seagull guided missile. Actually, forget the missile part. Just send the seagull. You can use them again, they never run out of "bombs" :-)

    3. Francis Boyle

      Re: Pidgeon guided missiles?

      But would just be a laser guided missile with an unnecessary middle-cat.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I'm sure I once watched a TV programme about using pigeons in maritime search and rescue aircraft (rotary or fixed wing).

    They had been trained to peck in the direction of any "objects" in the water.

    They were mounted in a frame with a sensor array in front of them. and pecked "in the general direction" of the target.

    The demo of locating a target seemed a bit...vague, like there over there...ish!

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