back to article The Europa Clipper stretches its wings as launch nears

NASA's Europa Clipper is now less than a month from its October 10 launch, and the US space agency has shown off the spacecraft's giant solar arrays. However, concerns persist over how well the probe's electronics will fare in the harsh Jovian environment. Each of the Europa Clipper's arrays measure 14.2 meters (46.5 feet) …

  1. I am David Jones Silver badge

    Well I never!

    Transistors can heal from radiation damage? That’s a new one on me. Jolly good show!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Well I never!

      There are "soft" and "hard" categories of badness, hard is permanent damage.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Alien

    Transistors control the flow of electricity

    There are concerns over the transistors that help control the flow of electricity on the spacecraft.

    On the elREg, everyday you learn something new. Seriously, I would have designed them for three times the expected radiation, placed them in the most shielded part of the craft and tripled the width of the radiation shield. In space glitches come in threes.

    Single rad hard power MOSFETs

    1. Slavth

      Re: Transistors control the flow of electricity

      I believe they were designed totally in accordance with what you say... it's just they somehow ended up with some Chinesium knock off or Friday afternoon special transistors, and only found out when another spacecraft failed.

      1. Eclectic Man Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Transistors control the flow of electricity

        'Most shielded part' of the spacecraft is probably where everyone wants their sensitive (but not sensor) equipment to be located*, so is a bit tricky.

        I suspect that one of the reasons Voyager and other craft have lasted so long is that no one wanted their part of the mission to be the crucial bit that failed first leaving the craft a mere asteroid. These boffins** think of everything and, I have to admit, probably do a far, far better job of it than I would.

        Looking forward very much to hearing about the results in a while (fingers crossed for the launch).

        * A bit like when you are playing D&D and everyone says their character is 'in the middle of the group' as you explore a new dungeon. Or when designing a warship, everyone wants their radar, IR detector, etc. to be 'at the top of the mast'.

        ** Gender neutral term, 'coz, well, its the intellect that counts.

        1. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: Transistors control the flow of electricity

          Looking forward very much to hearing about the results in a while

          Quite a long while. We will be into the thirties.

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: Transistors control the flow of electricity

            The '30's aren't that far away. :-)

            I think most of us reading here will still be around.

            1. Eclectic Man Silver badge
              Unhappy

              Re: Transistors control the flow of electricity

              Depends on our 'leaders' avoiding a nuclear armageddon in the meantime (see, for example, world news on any outlet).

  3. David M
    Joke

    Mirowave oven efficiency

    "Together, the arrays will produce approximately 700 watts of electricity at Jupiter, or just enough to operate a small microwave oven."

    The magnetrons in microwave ovens are only about 60% efficient, so a 700W microwave would consume around 1100W. This could be a problem for anyone on board the Europa Clipper who fancies a jacket potato.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Joke

      Re: Mirowave oven efficiency

      elReg editor: you've got a tough readership here.

    2. I am David Jones Silver badge

      Re: Mirowave oven efficiency

      Is that right? I always assumed the headline power rating would be the bigger number, ie the input voltage rather than the microwave output power. Too lazy to stand up and check my own though…

      1. Martin an gof Silver badge

        Re: Mirowave oven efficiency

        Nope, because the key number is power delivered in to the food. It's possible to make microwaves more efficient through differences in detail so if cooking instructions are based on 800W into the food, it's no good saying you need a "1200W oven" because maybe someone has an older, less efficient model that takes 1600W to deliver 800W and would leave the food undercooked, or a newer, more efficient one that only needs 1000W to do the same job and would nuke that lasagne ready meal into orbit.

        We have a Panasonic "inverter" microwave (quite a few manufacturers make these now) which not only has the advantage of the "low power" modes actually being low power, rather than full power with a reduced duty cycle but is also apparently more efficient than a normal microwave. Hard to tell though because while the rating plate on the front helpfully shows 1000W microwave power, it is a combination oven, so it also shows 1000W for grill mode and 1600W for conventional oven mode which means the rating plate on the back - where the actual maximum consumption is listed - doesn't show the at-wall consumption for microwave mode. I must get around to plugging my meter in and checking.

        Had an argument once with an "educator" about an example he was giving to children about cooking baked potatoes. His conclusion was that baked potatoes in a microwave were always a lot cheaper than in a conventional oven. His main mistake was to forget that a conventional oven cycles, so one hour of use does not take 2kWh of energy, it takes maybe a little over half that. His secondary mistake was to ignore the fact that every potato you add to the microwave increases the cooking time by (a little less than) the time for a single potato, and he also ignored microwave efficiency.

        Put those things together and it turns out that not only is cooking seven or more potatoes in a conventional electric oven quicker than by microwave it is also more efficient (less energy consumed)*. It might actually be cheaper to cook them in a conventional gas oven with as few as three potatoes**.

        M.

        *assuming 10 minutes for one potato in the microwave and 1 hour for any number of potatoes in a conventional oven, at 1000W consumed (600W oven) six potatoes (approx. 1 hour) would consume about 1kWh which is likely to be approximately the same as a thermostat-controlled conventional oven (2kW heater) consumes in the same time.

        **in the UK, gas has historically been between one third and one quarter the price of electricity. While gas ovens are slightly less efficient than electric ones (particularly fan models), it's not a huge difference. They don't cycle on and off like electric ovens; the regulator turns the flame down as the set temperature is reached.

        1. EricB123 Silver badge

          Re: Mirowave oven efficiency

          Well, well. I never knew they made inverter microwave ovens. And to think my aircon in my apartment in hot Asia is a lower efficiency non-inverter model. I must complain to the landlord about this.

    3. Spherical Cow Silver badge

      Re: Mirowave oven efficiency

      If the magnetron is only 60% efficient it must get pretty hot. I wonder if that heat could be used to warm up something??

  4. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

    There is a good writeup of the MOSFET issue here, Infineon who made the parts to US military specs found out that the parts were failing after a manufacturing change. Apparently they didn't realise that NASA was using the part for clipper so didn't bother telling them. The electronics are inside of an aluminium-zinc box which was sealed a year ago and which does offer some radiation protection.

    https://www.science.org/content/article/vulnerable-transistors-threaten-upend-europa-clipper-mission

    1. david 12 Silver badge

      Apparently they didn't realise that NASA was using the part for clipper so didn't bother telling them

      I don't know if it's that simple? Infineon got classified information about failures in military spy satellites, but didn't publicize that information. Actually, that kind of information is pretty tightly controlled (a known weakness of military intelligence).

    2. HuBo Silver badge
      Pint

      Great link! It has this wonderful line (on top of: "Jupiter’s magnetic field is 20,000 times stronger than Earth’s"):

      'But at its most simple, the problem is easy to understand, Fitzpatrick said at the meeting. “A switch would not work when we need it to work.”'

      which is reminiscent of the Raspberry Pi Pico 2's surprise pull-down resistor gpio hardware bug (RP2350) ... but at the complete opposite end of the scale!

    3. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      It strikes me as gross incompetence, indeed negligence, to change a specially certified part's manufacturing process and not to re-test the results to be sure it is still meeting what is claimed.

      1. Spazturtle Silver badge

        Given that this was all found out after several US military satellites died in orbit I assume there is a closed door negotiation going on around the compensation. Also this will effect their vendor reliability score which will push down the price the US government is going to pay them for parts in the future since they will now need to test parts after delivery.

        This will end up costing Infineon far more than they saved.

  5. Scene it all

    Tight constraints

    I remember a presentation from JPL person saying that the ideal deep-space experiment package would have zero mass, consume no power, and provide a few Newtons of thrust.

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    2. HorseflySteve
      Joke

      Re: Tight constraints

      But, if it had zero mass, it would immediately accelerate to the speed of light at even a micronewton of thrust, wouldn't it...

      1. Scene it all

        Re: Tight constraints

        Presumably it is bolted to the rest of the spacecraft, weighing hundreds of kg, so would be contributing something to the mission.

  6. Pete 2 Silver badge

    Sell by date

    NASA tells us the Europa Clipper arrives at Jupiter in April 2030.

    Any bets for which day in March 2030 the warranty expires

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