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SpaceX's inaugural commercial spacewalk – and the first extravehicular activity (EVA) using its spacesuits – has taken place, almost eclipsing yesterday's altitude record. The four astronauts on the Polaris Dawn mission completed a pre-breathe process before donning their suits for the depressurization of the Crew Dragon …

  1. John Robson Silver badge

    Congratulations

    Those suits did look pretty good, the issue of pressurisation is always going to be a challenge...

    1. Phones Sheridan

      Re: Congratulations

      SmarterEveryDay did a good video 5 months ago, that covered suit pressurisation and the decisions underway for Artemis. It's over an hour long, but it was an interesting watch.

      https://youtu.be/AiZd5yBWvYY?si=5ulx0uV8rX4Jl7HG

  2. TheRealRoland
    Thumb Up

    Hoping to see the next iteration of HHMU and MMU soon!

  3. Andy The Hat Silver badge

    Space stand?

    It may be a publicity jaunt but that lot have more balls than a chinese takeaway ...

    As for calmly pushing the hatch seal back into place whilst exposed to the vacuum of space ... twice! "Houston, did we pack a tube of Stixall?"

    1. Mishak Silver badge

      More than a publicity jaunt

      There are some 35 experiments being carried out as part of the mission.

      1. Paul Kinsler

        Re: There are some 35 experiments being carried out as part of the mission.

        I wonder if "the effects of doing a space walk during a G2 geomagnetic storm" is one of them :-)

        1. Alan Brown Silver badge

          Re: There are some 35 experiments being carried out as part of the mission.

          They're already flying through higher radiation levels than anyone since the Gemini missions - although 80% of exposure comes from a few passes through the South Atlantic anomaly rather than because they're grazing the underside of the inner Van Allen belt

          Incidentally, the quoted figures for V-A Belt exposure are usually quoted _per year_ and whilst high shouldn't be a health hazard unless one of those flares you mentioned kicks off

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Actually, from an episode of Youtube channel "Smarter Every Day", in terms of managing pressure, the pressure differential in space is 1 atmosphere.

    Underwater on Earth, it's many multiples so if you think of a deep sea diving suit it's nothing like a space suit.

    You think we'd have sorted out the space suit one already but there are radiation and other concerns

    1. PerlyKing

      Off the top of my head:

      * Deep sea diving is a compression problem; hard vacuum is a tension problem

      * Deep sea temperature regulation is over a range of maybe 20C? Space is a much wider range

      * Mass isn't such a problem with a diving suit: make it as heavy as you like and buoyancy will help; space suits have to fit into the mass budget of the launcher

      Have SpaceX managed to solve the problem of visor fogging? The last I heard that was still a problem with the ISS suits.

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Good points but I'd quibble a bit with the termperature: yes, there are huge differences between light and shade. However, there's not that much actual energy per cm2. But the combination with the vacuum is going to be a challenge as is any form of articulation.

        1. Mishak Silver badge

          Energy

          Solar on the Earth's surface is ~1kw/m2, so it's not going to be trivial in space.

        2. jdiebdhidbsusbvwbsidnsoskebid Silver badge

          It's about 1.4kW per square metre in space, which is a fair bit of solar energy to manage (hence a white suit I presume to reflect it away in the first place). I'm roughly estimating that an adult space suit presents a bit less than 1 square metre to the sun.

          The human body produces about 100W of heat at rest and that's got to be gotten rid of. In space you can't sweat, pant or conduct it away, it all has to be captured by the suit life support system and radiated away somehow. I presume this was what you were referring to with your "combination with the vacuum" comment.

          1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

            In the vaccuum of space, while you've got the intensity of solar radation when facing the sun, it's only when facing the sun, so that's a lot less total than in an atmosphere. The point about articulation is that, as soon as you bend the material, you're compressing and stretching so you're going to be introducing pressure and tension differentials, which are likely to increase the chances of leaks.

    2. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      Real barrier to improving space suits

      Budget

      Space suits are rarely a vote winning issue. The current NASA xEMU suits for ISS have been in use since 1998. I do not mean the design. I really mean the actual suits are that old. They are based on the suits used in the space shuttle from 1983. The Artemis program would look very silly if they got to the Moon but could not go outside because they did not have Moon suits (xEMU is not designed for the Moon). I assume NASA only got funds for Moon suits in 2022 because the Apollo suits from 1972 are no longer functional.

    3. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      Deep sea diving suits don't have a pressure differential across them, the diver is at the same pressure as the surrounding ocean, hence the need for decompression when rising. That approach would be problematic when external pressure is zero...

      1. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

        Depends on how deep

        Diving as you describe can be made to work down to 500m. Atmospheric diving suits keep the occupant at 1 atmosphere down to 700m.

        I wanted to link to what the axiom suit looks like under the protective fabric. I think they are keeping that to themselves for the time being. The closest I could find was the AX-5 prototype which resembles an atmospheric diving suit.

        1. Spherical Cow Silver badge

          Re: Depends on how deep

          Those atmospheric diving suits suggest a similar concept for space suits would probably work. Rigid sections with rotating joints. The rigid sections can be much less bulky and heavy in a space suit because the pressure difference is much less. The joint seals would be "inside out". Weight could be an issue though.

    4. alisonken1
      Coat

      Pressure differential in an EVA suit is ~5psi. 1 atmosphere is ~14.7psi.

      Space suits are not pressurized to 1atm because of the inflation tension at the joints - too high a pressure differential and you can't move anymore (ref. first Soviet astronaut EVA issues).

  5. spireite

    Boeing....

    Are you watching?

    Criticise Elon all you want, but nobody can deny that SpaceX knows what it is doing, while the monkeys at Boeing can only consider lifting a model of Starliner off the CEOs table a successfully mission for the most part.

    1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Re: Boeing....

      Criticise Elon all you want, but nobody can deny that SpaceX knows what it is doing

      Fortunately the criticizable entity and the actual operating bits of the successful one are kept relatively separate.

      1. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

        Re: Boeing....

        There are several articles saying that since Shotwell toolk over that Musk has taken a step back from day to day running at SpaceX.

        1. Alan Brown Silver badge

          Re: Boeing....

          Even more beneficially for SpaceX, Elmo has been busy firefighting at Tesla so that "stepping back" actually means something

  6. simfin

    Flat earthers are going to be spitting!!!

    1. StudeJeff

      Nahh... they will claim it's fake.

      1. Dizzy Dwarf

        There are no stars / The earth only looks curved because of the fish-eye lens / It was all filmed in Hollywood / etc

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      The less oxygen we give to flerfs the better.

      As it happens, there exists an oxygen-free environment which will also show them the truth, and it's out of this world!

  7. Martin J Hooper

    O7 Guys!

  8. ecarlseen

    Left unmentioned

    This mission sets the record for the furthest any human women have been into outer space. And I love that SpaceX is giving its own engineers the opportunity to fly these missions rather than a glorified astronaut caste.

    1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Left unmentioned

      Oh that's a good point, thanks. I've added it.

      C.

    2. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

      Re: Left unmentioned

      Any non-human women out there then?

      1. You aint sin me, roit
        Alien

        Re: Left unmentioned

        You forgot this ----->

        1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

          Re: Left unmentioned

          Not really women though, are they. Unless you're into the whole Barbarella thing...

          Woman (n): adult human female

          1. Alan Brown Silver badge

            Re: Left unmentioned

            or "Adult human, tungsten version"

          2. Spherical Cow Silver badge

            Re: Left unmentioned

            They were human enough for Captain James T. Kirk on many occasions.

  9. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

    Early feedback is good, couple of points that might need reviewing

    - Opening the hatch was a bit tricker then expected.

    - Mobility not quite as good as expected.

    - Potential overheating.

    - hatch seal needed checking / adjusting before closing

    - Handle position.

    And still lots of work to do lower body mobility amd self contained.

    Considering this is the first EVA for this suit, it did amazingly well and expect another iteration maybe as early as next year.

  10. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

    Making space suits is hard. NASA gave up developing Artemis suits inhouse and that contract is now with Axiom. And Colins who are pretty experienced in space development have given up on the ISS suit contract. NASA has asked Axiom on the possibility of adapting Artemis suits for ISS and I am sure they will be following SpaceX's progress with their suits. Amd BTW, this is a real issue. NASA has had to scrub and cut short EVA activities because of issues with the existing suits.

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