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Apple just introduced its iPhone 16 line, Watch Series 10, and assorted AirPods, and also set formal release dates next week for its iOS 18 and watchOS 11 software. In a streamed event titled "Glowtime," Apple execs did the usual tag team presentation of products and superlatives. CEO Tim Cook opened the show with a promise …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Being amazed no more

    Is it only me, feeling that technology stopped surprising?

    With great achievements everything seems meh at this point. Great screens, fast internet, smart chatbots. I have an impression that even immortality would feel ok-ish - not a miracle anymore.

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: Being amazed no more

      A phone than can survive a fall onto concrete from average head height without extra armour would be a real step forward.

      Apple and others put a great deal of effort into the design of the phone appearance but their efforts go unseen because phones are all encased.

      1. DS999 Silver badge

        Re: Being amazed no more

        You haven't noticed how there used to be drop tests from dozens of Youtubers the moment a new iPhone was released to them mostly not being a thing anymore? The problem isn't 100% solved, but the last drop test I watched (can't remember if it was the 12 or 13) required dropping from 10' in height before they could get the front glass to break. The back glass broke at head height since they weren't (probably still aren't) using the best Corning glass in the back. You will get scuffs etc. from a drop at that height onto concrete, but it is really hard to break the screen.

        FWIW I've never used a case on my iPhones, and have never broken one. I'm less careful now knowing that they are more durable, and probably dropped this one a half dozen times from waist height to shoulder height, onto wood and concrete. No damage.

        You used to see people walking around with phones with broken screens ALL THE TIME. Both iPhones and Androids. It is really rare now, I saw the first one I'd seen in like a year a few weeks ago. Even the cheap Androids are using high enough quality glass that this is much less of a problem for them than it used to be.

        1. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: Being amazed no more

          Back glass breaking isn’t really a satisfactory compromise. In many phones this is harder to fix than the front screen.

          1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

            Re: Being amazed no more

            "In many phones this is harder to fix than the front screen."

            Agree. Apple quoted me €699 to replace mine, basically because they don't replace the back; they give you a whole new phone. Because it's glued together, natch.

            I was pretty sick at this until I needed a new battery, €99 including fitting, and they replaced the phone for that as well. Because (drumroll...) it's glued together. So got a new battery AND the back glass damage replaced for less than 100 euros. Result.

          2. DS999 Silver badge

            The back glass breaking isn't a problem like the front glass

            If that happened to mine then I'd use a case for the first time ever and I wouldn't have to look at (or more importantly risk cuts from) the broken glass on the back of my phone, and I'd get dinged a little on my trade-in value next time.

            You can't use a case to cover up front glass breaking, the only alternative is to fix it (or live with it I suppose, but I wouldn't be willing to do that)

            1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

              Re: The back glass breaking isn't a problem like the front glass

              "and I'd get dinged a little"

              No no. You wouldn't get dinged a little. Your iPhone is total loss for trade-in value if it has back glass damage.

      2. Piro

        Re: Being amazed no more

        Yeah that was done almost a decade ago, droid turbo 2

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Being amazed no more

      Nah. I’m still frequently amazed by new technology. Just not the 16th iteration of the same tech.

      However, even then things can impress. My new 13” iPad Air, is lighter than my previous 10” one, from 2019. And has speakers that are actually loud enough to be used and sound that’s not too bad. Ten years ago, when we moved to flat screen TVs - they couldn’t manage anything even that good.

      Plus the new HDR screens, that mean when a director decides to go all arty-farty and make the screen impossibly dark - I still have some idea of what’s going on.

      Or that for £20 I can get an LED work light - powerful enough to light an entire room in a power cut, that also has a rechargeable battery that can top up my phone.

      And that’s just the frivolous stuff. During the pandemic, the CEO of BioNTech was able to run the DNA sequence of coronavirus through the program he’d set up on his computer as he went to bed - and wake up to have the vaccine design on his PC by the time he woke up. Obviously it required a lot of testing and an absolute beast of a manufacturing process to turn that into actual doses to put into arms - but that’s some pretty amazing tech. By the Summer of 2020 the UK had re-designed it’s government laboratory service to be able to sequence the DNA of a large proportion of NHS covid tests - such that they were able to track the virus’ mutating in realtime. By July, the UK were doing something like 40% of the world’s DNA sequences of the virus.

      And all that tech built for the pandemic, the BioNTech and Oxford vaccines actually pre-prepared for the SARS and MERS epidemics, is now being re-purposed for other diseases. The Oxford process having succeeded in getting a 60-70% effective malaria vaccine into production.

      Meanwhile SpaceX are able to launch rockets and land them again, then re-use them after a couple of months.

      Oh, and I’ve got a machine in my kitchen that cost less than £30 which you just put flour, water, yeast and a few other bits to taste in - and in 2-4 hours you get a beautiful fresh loaf of bread. How’s that not awesome?

      1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

        Re: Being amazed no more

        On the other hand, many kitchens for the last few hundred years have had things in the kitchen to bake bread in (and while breadmaker bread can be good, I prefer an oven and a slow ferment bread).

        I have on my wrist a small device using technologies a few hundred years old, which tells me the time. It has no need of batteries; it's powered by gravity. I can reasonably expect it to tell me the time for decades; potentially centuries if I were to be around to read it. It _and_ my mobile phone together cost less than the new Apple watches.

        No reason why Apple shouldn't sell their toys to those who wish to buy them, but they're not for me.

        1. Chasxith
          Holmes

          Re: Being amazed no more

          I can't quite figure out why one of the new apple watches has speakers for music playback. It's going to sound really good from a tiny device strapped to your wrist.....

          1. werdsmith Silver badge

            Re: Being amazed no more

            I don’t understand what the change is, as the Apple Watches have had speakers for audio all along. Used for taking calls mostly, also to announce things in speech, useful for visually impaired. Music isn’t the only use for audio.

            Maybe the Ultra didn’t have speakers and has just gained them in this revision but the ordinary Apple Watches have had audio speakers for years.

            1. O RLY

              Re: Being amazed no more

              The Ultra (launched 2022) and Ultra 2 (2023) had speakers. It seems they're enabling the software of the Ultra 2 to use the hardware already there for playback. I had an Ultra on which I used speaker phone a la Dick Tracy. Perhaps the new design for the speaker in the Series 10 came from the Ultra 2 since there was no change to the Ultra 2 (except a new color coming later this month).

          2. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

            Re: Being amazed no more

            "I can't quite figure out why one of the new apple watches has speakers for music playback. It's going to sound really good from a tiny device strapped to your wrist....."

            I would actually use that all the time; I don't like wearing earbuds when I'm jogging. But if they don't bring it to older versions when there's no (valid) reason for not doing so, I will hate them with a passion. Not buying a new one just for that when the one on my wrist has exactly the same tech but some marketing exec said nah.

          3. ITS Retired

            Re: Being amazed no more

            Its been my experience that people, how even musically talented people, will tolerate crappy sounding music coming from cheap too small speakers. i.e., nothing below maybe 200hz.

            I don't understand why when reasonably sounding speakers don't cost that much. Not to mention ear and head phones sound so much better. My own hearing falls off a cliff at 5000hz and I cringe if I hear the fidelity of what normal hearing people listen to from their TV's, laptops, and even desktop computers with cheap speakers.

        2. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: Being amazed no more

          For an Apple Watch, showing the current time is one of its minor functions as it is barely required and duplicated many times over around us in the modern world.

          They are largely a communications device and a health and fitness tracker.

          Your wristwatch that shows the current time is actually something that humans have had for tens of thousands of years, or longer. A piece of jewellery.

          1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

            Re: Being amazed no more

            But of course, so is the Apple watch (or any of the others). And the purpose of jewellery has always been to say 'look what I can afford'.

            1. werdsmith Silver badge

              Re: Being amazed no more

              People often say that, but as they are really affordable if you don’t go for the newest. Mine are free hand me downs. In UK and US near ubiquitous and really no big deal.

              And suggesting they are just jewellery ignores the multifunctional capabilities compared to the largely redundant single function of a mechanical watch.

        3. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

          Re: Being amazed no more

          Neil Barnes,

          It's definitely a little bit nicer if you prove and rise your own bread slowly - then bake it with a small container of boiling water for a crunchy crust. Unless you've got a steam oven. But it's not a huge quality difference from just doing my usual wholemeal loaf in the breadmaker. And that just requires me to turn up after 4 hours to take the bread out and put it on a wire rack. Whereas the manual process means I've got to be around a lot more - I do find mixing and kneeding it by hand to be quite a nice process. For some reason it seems little more effort than weighing and fiddling to get the breadmaker just right.

          I'm not into sourdough and guess breadmakers don't work well for that.

          It's magic technology. Until the breadmaker starts walking itself across your kitchen work surface, with the action of the ball of dough moving round inside it, and then jumps off in a bid for freedom or death.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Being amazed no more

      Is it only me, feeling that technology stopped surprising

      Well, at Apple at least, but that's what you get when you lose the disruptive innovators and bring in a bookkeeper to run the place. To them, taking a risk only has downsides.

      No disrespect to Cook as Jobs was a hard act to follow, but he ought to start thinking beyond incremental improvements of existing products.

    4. DrBobK

      Re: Being amazed no more

      I've never broken a phone screen. I understand that if you do, all sorts of shops will replace it for you for a reasonable price. I have, however, broken the screen on an Apple Watch - a drop of less than a metre onto a tiled floor while on holiday. No cheap and cheerful option here. Getting it fixed at an Apple Store would cost nearly the same as the watch cost three years before. I just bought a new one and a watch protector.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Being amazed no more

        I've actually broken a screen protector twice now. First was during travel to a city that's now being bombed by Putin (Odessa, years ago because I'd simply never been to Ukraine), the second was more duh in that keys and screens should not be in the same pocket.

        In both cases, the protective glass did its job, so 5 minutes later all was well again.

        In addition, I find a phone much easier to hold with a decent protective case, at least when it's a rubberised one, so in general my phones are still quite OK when I swap them out for a newer model (which I do every other model or so, and that's more because I professionally need to stay current, not because there's a technical reason to do so (and Apple keeps sending security updates for quite some time, I had an iPhone 6 which 8 years later was still receiving security updates).

        My son doesn't mind that, as he tends to be the happy recipient of the one I replace :).

        At the price of these things it's borderline negligent if you don't protect it, but maybe that's just me. It's certainly not expensive to do so.

    5. Fred Flintstone Gold badge

      Re: Being amazed no more

      Personally I miss the 'does it blend?' followups.

      :)

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  3. Julian Poyntz

    Recharge ?

    I thought most of these smart watches needed a recharge overnight - is that not do ?

    (I own a kinetic watch - no recharging there, but have not really worn a watch since COVID even I never went out)

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: Recharge ?

      Just put them on charge while having a shower seems enough to keep them going.

    2. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

      Re: Recharge ?

      "I thought most of these smart watches needed a recharge overnight - is that not do ?"

      Most do, at least if you want to use them properly. The Apple Watch Ultra is a rare exception, and I believe there are one or two others on the market that will go for several days if you minimise feature use.

      But it really depends what you call a 'smart' watch. I have a Casio G-Shock here with Bluetooth that does most of the things people use a smartwatch for - activity tracking, seeing messages onscreen, getting notifications and a couple of other things; it's been going for 2 years now on the first battery.

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      2. An ominous cow herd

        Re: Recharge ?

        My own G-Shock GMD-H2000 (the series with bluetooth connection and activity tracking) must be charged periodically. Even though it has a solar cell to charge it if you use it intensively you'll need to top it off sometimes using its usb charger

        1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

          Re: Recharge ?

          Ok.

          Mine can't even be charged. Doesn't need to be.

    3. Casca Silver badge

      Re: Recharge ?

      My Garmin Vivomove has a 5 day battery. After the "smart" part runs out of battery the analog clock part continues a bit more.

  4. JLV Silver badge
    Coat

    Our hottest issue ever!

    Oh, sorry, that's Cosmopolitan, not Apple. I'll see myself out.

    On another note, I don't mind Apple that much, but who else thinks "Pro Max" is a bit over the top? Reminds me of that long ago ad (by Samsung?) making fun of people lined up for the new iPhone:

    > I need the Pro model!

    > You're a barrista, dude.

    It's a consumer shiny. Nothing wrong with that per se, but let's keep perspective (and $$$ in our wallets too while we are at it). Sigh, a new iPhone SE2024 would have been nice :-|

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Absolutely agree. The whole turbo pro max with bells on stuff it merely irritating.

      That's also why I never watch the Apple events live, there's only so many times I can hear that people are "excited" before it starts irritating me. Instead I fast forward through it so I can see the bits I'm interested in.

      And then I'm still not excited - this event could be summarised as 'new watch, new iPhone, incremental updates, look we have AI too'.

      I'm quite happy with their products. Their marketing and hype, not so much.

    2. Tippis

      It's telling that one of their best models — soon to become tricky to come by — was named “Mini”.

      In fact, it's kind of funny how they roll out all these amazing numbers except the one that really makes a difference: a <5.5" size.

      1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

        I agree. But apparently we're in the minority ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  5. 45RPM Silver badge

    As the first commentard said, these technology announcements have stopped feeling magical. It’s all meh, meh, meh and oh! Wait a moment… now that is interesting.

    It’s all just technology for technology’s sake. The exception is if the technology being announced has particular value to you as an individual. And Apple hit that moment for me last night.

    Have you seen the cost of hearing aids? One thousand, two thousand, three thousand pounds and more. And here (hear!?) comes Apple at less than £250 with an FDA certified hearing aid. I’m not interested in them as headphones - but as a hearing aid they have my attention and my wallet is open.

    My wife often tells me that my opinions and views are somewhat esoteric and probably not representative of the wider population (apparently not everyone prefers to compute on an escapee from the 1980s, and not everyone’s fantasy garage contains a Pinarello Dogma F), but on this I’m going to stick my neck out and say that the new magical technology growth space that will excite people is health. I think that Apple is onto a winner here.

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      The modern hearing aids are comparatively low volume manufactured so that explains some of their cost. They are also engineered to be as invisible as possible, which won’t be the case with AirPods.

      1. 45RPM Silver badge

        Given the number of people who need hearing aids I’d be surprised if the volumes they’re manufactured in is that low - I think the issue is more that they need to be tuned for the user, and (as far as I can tell) Apple is the only company to have fully automated that process.

        As for being invisible, given the number of white wireless headphones from a multitude of manufacturers that I see when I’m out and about, I’d say that looking like AirPods is about as unobtrusive as you can get.

        1. werdsmith Silver badge

          The number of people that wear hearing aids divided by the number of different hearing aid solutions available, will vary according to the needs of the individual. Not really going to be anywhere near airpod numbers. Not in the same league.

          As for the popularity of airpods, not really the point. Conventional earpods are designed to be invisible, and are not invisible because they are popular.

          1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

            Very well put.

    2. MachDiamond Silver badge

      "Have you seen the cost of hearing aids? One thousand, two thousand, three thousand pounds and more. And here (hear!?) comes Apple at less than £250 with an FDA certified hearing aid. I’m not interested in them as headphones - but as a hearing aid they have my attention and my wallet is open."

      I wanted to fit a backup camera in my car as it's getting harder to twist around to see behind when reversing. Cost, $300. The cost to replace the entire head unit in a mid-2000's compact with a large screen Android based unit, $175. The new unit has a backing camera, two USB ports, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, internal storage, FM and with a Bluetooth OBD transmitter, I have all of the metering that comes with many of the latest model cars.

      1. 45RPM Silver badge

        Exactly this. It’s exciting to you because it solves your problem. But in terms of the actual tech, impressive though it undoubtedly is? Meh! Same with Apple’s announcement yesterday. Meh!

        1. MachDiamond Silver badge

          "It’s exciting to you because it solves your problem. But in terms of the actual tech, impressive though it undoubtedly is? Meh!"

          It solved my problem, but it did it at a price that was less than a dedicated product. Just like buying an iPhone in place of hearing aids.

    3. graeme leggett Silver badge

      NHS hearing aids are free (at point of use).

      1. Irongut Silver badge

        Unfortunately the majority of people round here these days live in a country that charges you through the nose for medical treatment and they are stupid enough to think that is a better system.

    4. Irongut Silver badge

      They were never magical to begin with. Apple always debut old tech that has already been available from multiple vendors before.

  6. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

    "Those are probably more gratifying than requests for support."

    Ooh, get you. Claws are never attractive.

    Unrelated sidenote, this was the first Apple event in years I was actually waiting for with interest. I'm in the market for a new phone and new headphones. Came away thoroughly underwhelmed; there's nothing compelling here except Apple Intelligence, and even that won't be available/will be crippled in Europe.

  7. PhilipN Silver badge

    And as for the old stuff ??

    Never mind the new shiny I’d be utterly delighted if Apple would fix the utterly crap frigging software supposed to be running their HomePods.

    I’ve lost count of …. Ah forget it. My blood pressure won’t stand it.

  8. Irongut Silver badge

    > aims to "Sherlock" the hearing aid market

    What on Earth is that supposed to mean?

    Apple aim to inject heroin into the hearing aid market?

    Or maybe they aim to move it to Baker Street?

    Perhaps they simply aim to investigate it?

    1. David 132 Silver badge
      Holmes

      Once upon a time, there was a thriving third-party ecosystem in find-everything applets for the original Mac OS 8.

      The best known of these was a program called "Watson"; purchasers loved it, because it made it super easy to find anything (apps, documents) on a Mac.

      Then Apple themselves introduced similar functionality, and with great creativity, named it "Sherlock".

      At a stroke, it destroyed the third-party market for such tools.

      Hence the term "Sherlocking" - shorthand for, "other people are making a quiet living adding this functionality to Apple products, and now Apple see revenue that isn't theirs and want it."

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