back to article Magnetic personalities at Tokamak Energy form separate division

Brit nuclear fusion firm Tokamak Energy has formed a separate division to commercialize the superconducting magnet tech it developed for reactors in other markets including renewable energy or transport. The Oxfordshire-based company last year teamed up with General Atomics in the US to work on high temperature superconducting …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    They can break it however they want

    I just hope it's going to work.

    1. Mishak Silver badge

      Re: They can break it however they want

      The magnets work very well, hence the potential spin-off.

      1. Crypto Monad Silver badge

        Re: They can break it however they want

        "it is possible the parent may spin off the division at some point in the future"

        I'd say the chances of that are +½ : -½

  2. Francis Boyle

    Magnets

    h̶o̶w̶ d̶o̶ t̶h̶e̶y̶ w̶o̶r̶k̶ what can't they do?

    1. Paul Herber Silver badge

      Re: Magnets

      Use super-computers to design a better kitchen unit?

  3. Wyrdness

    Nuclear Fusion and Superconductivity

    So they're now promising both Nuclear Fusion and Superconductivity. Do they actually have any real chance of success, or is this just an exercise in extracting money from guillible investors?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Nuclear Fusion and Superconductivity

      The superconductors aren't new, neither are superconducting magnets. They are just making superconducting magnets in a new way. Everything here looks doable with today's technology.

      High temperature (anything over -196C, the boiling point of nitrogen) superconductors haven't been used in magnets until now because they're usually brittle ceramics made in ways that aren't compatible with winding them into coils. If this new technology can make superconducting magnets that work at liquid nitrogen temperatures, that's a big win over the old ones that need liquid helium. Liquid helium needs very special handling and equipment, liquid nitrogen can be stored in household a thermos flask. That leads to massive cost savings if you can use nitrogen instead of helium.

      1. Captain Hogwash Silver badge

        Re: Nuclear Fusion and Superconductivity

        Not to mention the relative scarcity of Helium and abundance of Nitrogen.

      2. sitta_europea Silver badge

        Re: Nuclear Fusion and Superconductivity

        "....If this new technology can make superconducting magnets that work at liquid nitrogen temperatures, that's a big win...."

        I think you understate significantly. It would be absolutely HUGE.

        It's orders of magnitude cheaper both to buy and to use liquid nitrogen than it is to use liquid helium, and there's no risk of nitrogen suddenly being rationed as has happened recently.

        Bulk liquid nitrogen is typically 15 cents per litre. Helium will usually be tens of dollars.

        You don't normally bother to recycle nitrogen, but unless you're NASA that's a luxury you can't usually afford with helium.

        1. John Hawkins

          Re: Nuclear Fusion and Superconductivity

          From the TE Magnetics site re REBCO:

          When cooled to 20 Kelvin, the tape can carry currents of thousands of amps per mm2 without loss

          So a bit away from liquid nitrogen yet

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Nuclear Fusion and Superconductivity

            ... but very close to Swedish winters! (eh-eh-eh)

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Nuclear Fusion and Superconductivity

            Maybe just about doable with hydrogen. Given the safety concerns of hydrogen, it's probably best to stick with helium.

      3. EricB123 Silver badge

        Re: Nuclear Fusion and Superconductivity

        Oh, how I miss the days of old when I had to use a non-ferrous ice pick to chip away the plug of frozen air so I could refill the superconducting magnets in the laboratory with liquid helium.

  4. Contrex

    Hone that blade!

    I wish people wouldn't write 'hone in on' (see article) when they mean 'home in on'.

    1. Will Godfrey Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Hone that blade!

      While I agree, there are far more of 'them' that there are of us, and the gap is expanding.

      1. Paul Herber Silver badge

        Re: Hone that blade!

        Those that use 'hone in' might think they have a sharper wit!

      2. Paul Herber Silver badge

        Re: Hone that blade!

        "the gap is expanding."

        Ah, sar-chasm.

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