back to article Black horse down: Lloyds online banking services go dark

UK banking giant Lloyds is struggling to account for malfunctioning online services today as customers report being unable to view transactions through the app or website. In a statement to The Register, a spokesperson for Lloyds Banking Group said: "We know some of our customers are having issues viewing their recent …

  1. StewartWhite
    Facepalm

    Not just Lloyds

    This looks like it might have been a repeat of the Azure FD etc. issues from July 30th as the Microsoft Azure portal and numerous other sites were down and came back up at approximately the same time which chimes with the July 30th incident. Not that I'm implying correaltion=causation but just that it's a strong possibility IMO.

    1. adrianww
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      Re: Not just Lloyds

      I was just going to say something similar. If you look at downdetector.co.uk you can see a number of organisations (including a few banks) showing a spike in problems this morning that closely matches the spike in Microsoft Azure problems.

  2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Cash

    This is much more convenient than using cash in your own under the mattress bank.

    I mean if you look at cash you can't see transactions either, just you get the sense of money missing.

    Also if you cannot see your transaction history, that's just something you don't have to worry about.

    That £200 withdrawal last night? Now you can't see. Less guilt.

    I'd say banking apps should go offline more often.

    and if you can't make payment? You could get to talk to actual human about it!

  3. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

    Mum called with this issue this morning. She's just texted to say it's working now.

    1. PinchOfSalt

      The much talked about bank of Mum and Dad :-)

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Don't tell me the bank of Mum and Dad use Azure too.

      2. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

        Who, like a real bank, have outsourced technical support.

        The initial call made it sound like she'd been scammed out of all her money. So I'm glad it was just a technical glitch hiding it from her.

  4. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Facepalm

    "large swathes of Lloyds' IT is outsourced nowadays"

    That makes it so much easier to know what changed and where . . .

  5. Victor Ludorum

    Thought it was a glitch

    Earlier this morning, no transactions were showing up under the 'All' tab (Android app, so not just an ios problem), but as stated in the article, they showed up under the September and August 'tabs'.

    Just tried it again and all seems to be back to normal.

    Technology - marvellous when it works...

  6. PinchOfSalt

    A realisation of what they are

    As Lloyds gets rid of all its branch network, how long do you think it will take for them to realise that the comment from many years ago that banks are 'IT companies with banking licences' is actually true?

    And that to outsource your core function should make you question why you exist?

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: A realisation of what they are

      Someone's gotta feed the horse

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A realisation of what they are

      "IT companies with banking licences" is only true so far, because banks still make their money on the balance sheet, by lending for more than the loaned capital costs them.

      The point is valid that IT is absolutely central to any large customer service outfit or transaction processor, but it's not usually what makes them money - although done badly it usually loses them money. If you look at energy suppliers they might seem to be "IT companies with an energy supply licence", but again, poor IT loses them money, good IT doesn't make them more money.

      I think the definition of an IT company is that they intend to make money from either selling software (outright or SaaS) or from data processing.

      "And that to outsource your core function should make you question why you exist?"

      That is true, but I think that banks (energy suppliers etc) all still see their IT assets as a big, complex, ugly, expensive cost that they don't understand - and don't want to understand. They outsource it not really to save money (made up business cases notwithstanding) but because they don't want to get their hands dirty.

      1. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: A realisation of what they are

        Quote

        "That is true, but I think that banks (energy suppliers etc) all still see their IT assets as a big, complex, ugly, expensive cost that they don't understand - and don't want to understand. They outsource it not really to save money (made up business cases notwithstanding) but because they don't want to get their hands dirty."

        I think you nearly got it right there, they outsource it because they dont understand what IT does for their company, and as such, see it as a cost to be minimised rather than THE asset that makes them a shed load of cash.

        Which is why it took years to get my boss to view our time on the PCs as "not wasting time" and to get a decent backup regime going since "How many man hours in programs do we have? and how much would it cost to replicate them?'

        But that sort of thing doesn't matter to the C level idiots who outsource to 'the cloud' because the cloud salesmen and consultants say so....... right upto the point when 'the cloud' falls over and you're under siege from angry customers.....

        1. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

          Re: A realisation of what they are

          Yeah. That.

          IT and IT support is seen as a burden because its really difficult to see the time it saves and the resulting profit it helps create for the bits of the business which are tasked with making money so the people with the power to swing the axe try to chop it out of the business

    3. Dr Who

      Re: A realisation of what they are

      To be fair that's exactly what all sorts of brands do. Coca Cola doesn't make Coke. McDonalds doesn't make burgers.

  7. TheProf
    Facepalm

    Glad this didn't happen on Saturday

    I needed to change my address for my MBNA credit card. (MBNA are part of the Lloyds Group.)

    Logged into my online account and hunted around looking for the change address section.

    There isn't one!

    Their online website tells you to phone or......download the app and change your details on that. Because using the app to change your details is the easiest way to change your details. It said.

    So I did. I downloaded the app, put my very complicated password into it. Waited for the confirmation code number to be delivered by txt and finally found the change address section. All while being logged in to my account.

    To be fair, once logged into the app changing my address was very easy. I just don't know why they can't put that simply function in their web account service.

    I've now deleted the app. I think I'll soon be cancelling the credit card.

    Thanks Lloyds, you're making my life easier.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Glad this didn't happen on Saturday

      It's the enshittification of enshitification!

  8. Mike 137 Silver badge

    "Lloyds' social media team appears as clueless as customers regarding the problem"

    Surprise, surprise. Since when did their 'social media team' replace their technical helpdesk?

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Best headline in a while

    Nothing useful to add to the discussion, other than this headline is one of the best I have seen from el reg this year.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Best headline in a while

      more subtle than "black horse knackered" for sure ;-)

    2. Excellentsword (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: Best headline in a while

      No one tell them that we've used it before...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Best headline in a while

        It's a remake, in line with the trend this summer.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    What does lloydsbank.com run on?

    www.lloydsbank.com: Reverse DNS a104-73-177-107.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com

  11. Tron Silver badge

    Well....

    Lloyds has just announced that their website and app will look different, so people aren't spooked by the change. Perhaps it is connected to that. Maybe the new look is minimalist.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: Well....

      Also great help for scammers to give them window of opportunity to send victims link to spoofed bank pages that look different.

  12. TJ1
    Joke

    When is a plus a minus?

    ** On the plus side **, payments and standing orders appear to be working normally

    Those are debits not credits!

  13. Tessier-Ashpool

    App working

    But I just noticed that beneath the prancing horse logo at the bottom of the home page, it says "All caught up"

    What's all that about? Is the horse snagged on some barbed wire?

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