back to article Elon Musk's X Corp faces $61M lawsuit over unpaid tech tabs

X is facing yet another legal case in the shape of a breach of contract claim from IT infrastructure provider Wiwynn over non-payment for $120 million in components it procured for the Elon Musk-owned biz. The Taiwanese firm describes itself as a cloud infrastructure provider for hyperscale datacenters. The case regards $120 …

  1. claimed Silver badge

    $60m *custom* components? How custom does a web server need to be? Was this specialized image processing chips to support larger posts that came in around that time…. Struggling to see why Twitter would need anything not off the shelf for firing 100 characters around the globe

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Scale, dear boy, scale.

      1. claimed Silver badge

        The sort of scale where you might consider buying a chip to process images as it’s only job, instead of using a bit of python in a container? Sigh, clearly you weren’t the only one unable to read my question, I’ll try harder next time

    2. Roj Blake Silver badge

      It's the sort of scale where a server is considered a component. And servers are considered to be custom if they're not using off-the-shelf specs.

      1. claimed Silver badge

        I was thinking chips… ironically for the downvotes I was thinking bigger scale

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      If Twitter thought it wanted custom components, whether that was achieved by hours of fettling or just screen printing "Twitter" on them, the only issue is whether Twitter had agreed to pay for them.

      1. trindflo Silver badge

        And in writing

    4. gnasher729 Silver badge

      Twitter ordered it, Twitter needs to pay. Seems you think Twitter should not have ordered these goodd, but clearly Twitter didn’t think so.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Twitter ordered it, Twitter needs to pay. Seems you think Twitter should not have ordered these goodd, but clearly Twitter didn’t think so.

        Seems like Twitter may not have had a very good handle on its procurement. That was evident from its financials, and some dubious deals for merch, or just some of the stuff flogged off from its San Fran playpen after Musk took over. I'm curious what the MSA actually said, and if it included normal things like change of control. If Twitter had ordered/approved tin, then X/Twitter should pay.

      2. claimed Silver badge

        Not disputing that… read the post. I was asking what they needed

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        re : Twitter needs to pay

        As Elon has become buddies with Donald Trump, I'm sure that Trump's No 1 rule of business has rubbed off on Elon.

        That rule states that you stiff your suppliers if at all possible. Trump owes one city over $400K for a rally from his 2016 campaign.

        Elon might be the one stiffing suppliers to Twittler because of the dwindling AD revenue.

        Just speculation though.

    5. unredeemed

      Hyperscale datacenters are not standard 1U/2U/3U etc servers, they are not traditional blade servers, often running custom DC power supplies, custom chassis, 100Gb networking, custom ASIC 100Gb TOR switches, etc and more. Basically selling by (the highly customized) rack. They are very dense with lots of compute.

      1. claimed Silver badge

        Thanks, most likely ASICs in the switches then. This was the only decent response I got!

  2. Howard Sway Silver badge

    i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

    "Elon Musk has posted an AI image of himself and declared he is “willing to serve” after Donald Trump said he would consider giving the billionaire a role in his administration if he takes back the White House in November.

    In the image, Musk is seen standing in front of the American flag at a podium branded: “Department of Government Efficiency.”

    Get ready to be sacked if you don't accept Musk's new "hardcore" terms if you work for the government, or not get paid if you get a supply contract with them, as this is obviously Musk's magic formula for "efficiency savings".

    1. Lazlo Woodbine

      Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

      Not paying bills was also Trump's MO...

      1. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

        Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

        Peas in a pod.

        Allegedly.

      2. vtcodger Silver badge

        Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

        "Not paying bills was also Trump's MO..."

        e,g "Bankrupt Rudy Giuliani Sought Trump Payment ...'

        Newsweek

        https://www.newsweek.com › donald-trump-rudy-giulia...

        Jul 5, 2024 — Giuliani said that his invoices to Trump were ignored, leaving an outstanding total figure of "about $2 million."

        And still unpaid as of yesterday apparently.

        CNN

        https://www.cnn.com › giuliani-trump-legal-bills

        Aug 17, 2023 — With his attorney in tow, Rudy Giuliani traveled to Mar-a-Lago in recent months on a mission to make a personal and desperate appeal to ...

        New York Magazine

        https://nymag.com › 2023/08 › trump-giuliani-begged

        Aug 19, 2023 — Lawyers representing Rudy Giuliani say he's broke, due to multiple 2020 election lawsuits and now Georgia criminal charges. Donald Trump ...

        1. anothercynic Silver badge

          Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

          How ironic. The lawyer representing the leopard against various claims now complains about the leopard doing what the leopard does.

          Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

        2. Michael Strorm Silver badge

          Thrown to the wolves^w face-eating leopards

          Here's my expression of sympathy for Giuliani getting screwed over and abandoned by Trump in exactly the manner anyone could have predicted, i.e. the same way he's screwed over and abandoned pretty much everyone who thought *they'd* be the one exception whose (one-way) loyalty to him counted for something when it came to payback time.

        3. DS999 Silver badge

          Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

          Dying penniless and embroiled in constant legal battles is what the scumbag deserves. Hopefully the same fate eventually awaits his orange co-fraudster after he suffers ignominious defeat this fall.

      3. steviebuk Silver badge

        Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

        Yep. Listened to Trumped on BBC Sounds. What he did in Scotland and the golf course. A mega arsehole and some of the contractors there say he never paid them.

        We all know he does this because those contractors are so small they can't afford to take it to court and if they do, Trump just ties them up until they run out of money.

        1. anothercynic Silver badge

          Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

          At some point, the Scottish courts can seize the property to make sure the contractors get paid... How much would it take?

          Ask the bloke who sent the bailiffs into a high street bank to start seizing property. Maybe the Scottish contractors should do the same with Trump property in Scotland.

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

        Doesn't the word "deadbeat" describe this behavior?

    2. Mitoo Bobsworth

      Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

      Two malignant narcissists vying for all the attention in the World? They would tear each other apart - not necessarily a bad thing...

    3. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

      Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

      Drumpf and his minions are the scariest thing to curse the planet since Hitler and the Nazis...

      1. Tilda Rice

        Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

        Making comparisons to Hitler really does highlight how juvenile and absurd discussions end up here.

        1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

          Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

          In Godwin's own words:

          I urge people to develop enough perspective to do it thoughtfully. If you think the comparison is valid, and you've given it some thought, do it. All I ask you to do is think about the human beings capable of acting very badly. We have to keep the magnitude of those events in mind, and not be glib. Our society needs to be more humane, more civilized and to grow up.

          Maybe if Trump and his ilk didn't act like fascists, then they wouldn't be compared to them. The only childish thing here is the level of the argument in your exhortation to ignore the comparison.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: i wonder if there's any relation to this recent little gem....

      Please make him Ambassador to Mars and send him there immediately.

  3. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    Keep it up, Musk

    At this rate, lawers will end up with all your billions . . .

    1. Andy Non Silver badge

      Re: Keep it up, Musk

      I wonder if he pays his lawyers? Nobody in their right mind would do business with Musk nowadays without payment up front.

      1. phils

        Re: Keep it up, Musk

        Works on contingency? No, money down!

    2. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

      Re: Keep it up, Musk

      His hero Donny Little Fingers doesn't

  4. abetancort

    Punitive damages

    It ought to be possible to ask and be awarded punitive damages by a jury of peers in this type of frivolous monetary contractual breaches. If it were common practice, Musk would think twice about his “see you in court” bills settlement policy. Nowadays, he’s just getting medium financed by suppliers rather than banks.

    1. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

      Re: Punitive damages

      All those billions he leeched and he can't pay a pocket change bill like this one. What a spoiled and selfish child.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A man who doesn’t pay his bill when he can

    An arsehole.

  6. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

    One Rule for Thee, and Another for Me

    If an ordinary Joe doesn't pay his debts, he's considered a bum and a deadbeat. If a multi-millionaire doesn't pay his debts, he's considered a financial genius.

    1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Re: One Rule for Thee, and Another for Me

      Not to anyone he asks for credit, he isn't. He'll be what is known as a "credit risk", and receive unfavourable terms. Those people who are willing to lend him money will be those sorts of people you really don't want to be on the wrong side of, such as, oh I don't know, the Saudi sovereign wealth fund.

      Say, Elon, how is the repayment of the interest on those loans you took out to buy Twitter going?

  7. JamesTGrant Bronze badge

    It’d be rather good if you could sue for non-payment and the CFO was responsible for getting the payment settled (if the judge ruled that way) within a sensible time. If the CFO couldn’t settle the payment then they could defer to the CEO and if the CEO can’t then the CEO goes to jail.

    Perhaps they can split the jail time between them (if they agree) up-to 70/30 CEO/CFO. But the buck should stop at CEO and there should be a well established method for ‘normal people’ to get their case heard in a timely period.

    1. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

      Unfortunately that will never happen because the corporations OWN most of the politicians through lobbying, kickbacks, and "donations" to ensure that they and their ill-gotten gains are well protected.

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