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Intuitive Machines has submitted a bid to save NASA's VIPER rover, describing the $84 million savings claimed by the US space agency when cutting it as "a government number." NASA issued a Request for Information (RFI) at the end of last week to seek interest from US companies keen to conduct a mission with the canceled …

  1. Tom Chiverton 1 Silver badge

    IM makes money ? How ?!? They don't *do* anything... certainly not compared to say the SpaceX cadence.

    1. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      SpaceX was a risky start up that grew because they won a Commercial Orbital Transport Services contract from NASA. Intuitive Machines is currently a risky start up that has won a Commercial Lunar Payload Services contract from NASA. This type of contract is not a guaranteed path to profit (See Rocketplane Kistler and Starliner) but it is a huge opportunity for those able to deliver.

      1. Tom Chiverton 1 Silver badge

        Ah ha - so milestone payments ?

    2. VJ179

      Currently they are losing money. The bet is on how 'lunar economy pans' out. The lunar missions are running at least 2 years behind schedule. China's racing ahead may help speed up the cadence of CLPS contracts. If they pull off IM-2 successfully this Dec/Jan, they will be in an enviable position.

  2. TVU Silver badge

    Well, I wish Intuitive Machines well in their venture in salvaging this lunar rover mission and the USA ought not to fall behind competitor states such as China when it comes to lunar exploration.

  3. Grunchy Silver badge

    Is there $84 million worth of science on the moon?

    I’m skeptical.

    For example: suppose the chairman of the board of directors said, “alright how do we monetize this deadly toxic lunar wasteland?”

    I doubt the c-suite has any legitimate ideas!

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge
      Alien

      Re: Is there $84 million worth of science on the moon?

      Easily. And many thousands of billions more besides.

      Remember that only 12 people have been to the Moons surface. Humanity has spent a total of 160 hours, 52 minutes on the surface of the Moon - and the majority of them were pilots, not geologists (selenologists?)

      The very first sample returned from the far side of the Moon landed on the 25th June 2024.

      Yes, less than two months ago!

    2. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: Is there $84 million worth of science on the moon?

      Economists have estimated every dollar spent on Kennedy's moonshot bet that resulted in the Apollo landings was returned to the US economy between 10 and 30 times over by the year 2000 (and it is a gift that keeps on giving) There were a lot of technologies that were developed for it that had offshoots that resulted in billion dollar industries.

      Unless you're one of those who say "until we solve hunger, crime, disease, war, poverty, global warming, stray dogs and the deer who nibble at my neighbor's garden we have no business going into space", you must concede we should and will be building a moon base someday. The more we know about the moon, the better decisions we'll make when we do it - saving time and money on that project as a result.

      1. Gene Cash Silver badge

        Re: Is there $84 million worth of science on the moon?

        It's directly responsible for the IC chip.

        NASA said "we want a ton of this chip for the CM/LM guidance computers" (quad dual-input NANDs IIRC)

        Industry said "no, there's no ability to produce that, and nobody else wants chips"

        "There's a lotta money in it for ya..."

        "Oh alright, we'll give it a try"

        1. DS999 Silver badge

          Re: Is there $84 million worth of science on the moon?

          While that's true it was the first "commercial quantities" customer, I don't think anyone would argue with a straight face the chip industry wouldn't have still happened. We got it years earlier than we otherwise would.

          1. MachDiamond Silver badge

            Re: Is there $84 million worth of science on the moon?

            "We got it years earlier than we otherwise would."

            That is a huge benefit in itself.

            We also have lots of work done in metal alloys, medicine, waste recycling. The list is very long and in a box somewhere I have several years worth of NASA Spin Off that documents the tech developed at NASA that has been "spun off" to commercial industry. Pure science always pays off, but there's no telling when and how much so accountants don't want to go anywhere near it.

            1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

              Re: Is there $84 million worth of science on the moon?

              "That is a huge benefit in itself."

              Yep. The UK may be a shadow of it's former self, but look where it was once the Industrial Revolution started here and got properly under way. Being a first or at least early mover in any or all industry is a huge advantage.

  4. Oneman2Many

    Isn't there another project planning on having 100,000kg lunar landing capacity by 2027 ?

    And i thought the landing has already paid for ? $83m was testing and operational costs which IM are saying they won't pick up those functions.

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