back to article Under-fire Elon Musk urged to get a grip on X and reality – or resign

Echoing objections to social-media fueled violence from the government of the United Kingdom and others, the Chamber of Progress, a tech business advocacy group, is urging billionaire Elon Musk to take his leadership role at X more seriously or resign if he cannot do so. Since July 29 when right-wing influencers made false …

  1. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

    Pedo Guy to the rescue!

    Between sending a submarine to Thailand, urging Ukraine to bend over or suggesting the UK is on the verge of civil war, every time Elon Musk opens his mouth it’s apparent how pig-ignorant he is about the the world outside his own little tech bubble. Better to keep it shut and be thought a fool, Mr Musk….

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

      Elon Musk looked so harmless when he was still a member of the Bay Area babyfur community. I think he radicalized after he was asked to leave the furry community.

      1. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

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        But at this point there seems to be only one solution. To paraphrase Drumpf:

        Lock him up!

        Bald faced lying about driving capabilities and inciting riots are two entirely different categories of crime.

        How many millions in damage did Musk and his right wing bigots cause this time? How many people are going to suffer from life long injuries because of these wankers?

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

          Lock him up!

          Rather authoritarian don't you think? Isn't it traditional to charge and have a trial first?

          .. and inciting riots are two entirely different categories of crime.

          Sure. But stiil, charge him, arrest him, try him, and then lock him up. Wait, wasn't there a saying that bullshit talks, money walks? Plenty of people seem very convinced that Musk did incite riots, so I'm sure it'd be very easy to find some evidence for this. Just look at all the insurrectionists that the US locked up. If they can do it, I'm sure a legal big brain like Starmer could do the same.

          How many millions in damage did Musk and his right wing bigots cause this time?

          Dunno. Wake me up when you've added it all up and found out if it's exceeded those 'fiery, but mostly peacefull protests' during the good'ol BLM summers of love.

          1. Casca Silver badge

            Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

            Good whataboutism there. You earning your brownie points.

          2. I am the liquor

            Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

            I think you'd have to keep him in custody pre-trial - I mean, if anyone's a flight risk... I hear there's no extradition treaty with Mars.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

              OTOH, I deem allowing him to escape to Mars an acceptable option, provided it's one way only.

              1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

                Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                I mean, he's welcome to have a return trip. Six years travelling through deep space outside of the Earth's magnetosphere isn't going to do him more good than three, in terms of exposure to hard radiation.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                  Ah, so you deem it beneficial in ending his ability to breed?

                  Maybe that's a good thing in itself, he doesn't appear to treat his kids too well if they fall outside his narrow view of how life should be.

          3. MachDiamond Silver badge

            Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

            "But stiil, charge him, arrest him, try him, and then lock him up."

            Elon has a thick coating of Teflon® when it comes to lawsuits. During the trial over the Tesla bailout of Solar City, all of the other people named in the suit settled and had their executive insurance pay out the money (likely a one-shot deal). Elon fought it out and won, but the decision was out of the blue and the judge finished his career with that case. There were admissions of flat out lies about what IP Solar City had, where they were on product development (the solar tiles) and the fact that the company was effectively bankrupt and in violation of their cash reserve requirements with their bank with regards to loans and lines of credit. Just Elon's behavior during depositions should have been enough for a judge to toss him in jail for contempt.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

      The man is a total plonker. He wouldn't know reality if it shat in his face. I could not believe he wants to sue some companies because they won't advertise with his cesspit called Twitter (yes I know he renamed it as stupid as his poor kids names). Are there really that many stupid American lawyers who believe they can win such cases? They must be as mental as 'Nylon' Musk.

      1. Bebu Silver badge
        Windows

        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

        He wouldn't know reality if it shat in his face.

        In this context I imagine reality to be a bit like a fussy old cat that is rather fussy about where it does its business and would instinctively avoid such an inferior substitute for a tray of kitty litter.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

          OTOH, I find looking at his face an excellent laxative..

      2. Stuart Castle Silver badge

        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

        Re: "I could not believe he wants to sue some companies because they won't advertise with his cesspit called Twitter (yes I know he renamed it as stupid as his poor kids names)"

        Neither could I, but this is Musk, so..

        That said, he really shouldn't be surprised no one legitimate will advertise on Twitter (seriously, since he has taken over, the only ads that appear on my timeline are dodgy mobile games, dodgy virtual currencies and dodgy mobile "endless runner" games).

        But what does he expect? When the advertisers raised concerns that their products were being advertised alongside racist tweets (and even facist tweets), he didn't look at why, or even try and stop that. No advertiser wants to be associated with racism, that's not a good look. What did he do? He told them to fuck off (publicly) and started legal action against the group that found it, arguing they attempted to game the alogorithm.

        If I were a buyter for a major company, had a problem with a supplier, and was told to fuck off, guess what? I would, with all my money.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

          But what does he expect? When the advertisers raised concerns that their products were being advertised alongside racist tweets (and even facist tweets), he didn't look at why, or even try and stop that.

          You have the order of operations wrong. Media Matters gamed the algorithm, dropped their 'bombshell', then advertisers started withdrawing their advertising. Then X pointed out how Media Matters had gamed the algorithm to produce a pairing virtually nobody other than Media Matters would have ever seen. One swallow does not make a summer..

          No advertiser wants to be associated with racism, that's not a good look. What did he do? He told them to fuck off (publicly) and started legal action against the group that found it, arguing they attempted to game the alogorithm.

          Well, we'll find out next year when the Media Matters case goes to trial. Currently it's in discovery with a bunch of filings trying to limit discovery, objecting to venue, motions to dismiss etc. You can read the original filing for yourself in El Reg's original post here-

          https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/21/x_sues_media_matters/

          or track progress through a site like this-

          https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68023366/x-corp-v-media-matters-for-america/

          But to make Media Matters more interesting, some other State Attorney Generals have also joined in, in what may have been a Democrat funded hatchet job intended to harm X & Musk. Time will tell.

          UK stuff could be simpler. So UK could simply use section 4 of the Public Order Act which is currenly being used to prosecute people for posting hate or inciteful speech online. People are free to shout 'Nazi!' all they want at their screens in the comfort and privacy of their own homes, but shouting, or calling people that online/in public could result in prosecution. Which will become even easier once the 'hate speech' sections of the Online Safety Act come into force.

          We live in interesting times.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

            Media Matters had gamed the algorithm to produce a pairing virtually nobody other than Media Matters would have ever seen.

            So the statement that it is possible for these companies' ads to appear alongside racist tripe is true then. In fact given the way Twitter is going, it seems increasingly probable.

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

              So the statement that it is possible for these companies' ads to appear alongside racist tripe is true then. In fact given the way Twitter is going, it seems increasingly probable.

              Luckily, in our subjective reality there are entire branches of mathematics dedicated to determining probability and statistics. So you should be able to define the probability of an add for Fanta appearing next to a 'nazi' tweet. Which is what is going to be tested in X vs Media Matters. They went to great lengths and only managed to find (from memory) only 2 pairings. Sure, if more 'racist tripe' appears, then assuming X's controls don't catch that, more pairings might occur. But nobody really seems able to produce hard evidence for this, which is why the Media Matters case could prove telling.

              I also like using Fanta as an example because I guess that could be a challenge for the algorithms. It was invented by Coca Cola Germany after the nazis seized control of Coca Cola's German business. So that's a matter of historical fact, but Coca Cola don't really like being reminded of it, so mentioning it's Nazi connections could end up being autobanned, if censor-bots can't understand the historical context.

              1. Ace2 Silver badge

                Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                Blink twice if the guy standing behind you is FSB

                1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                  Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                  Blink twice if the guy standing behind you is FSB

                  Can't right now. Am busy trying to decide whether to take the bag of gold or the bag of diamonds they're holding.

                  Ah, the left. Can always be relied on to see conspiracy theories everywhere..

                  1. Casca Silver badge

                    Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                    Unlike you who have all the answers. At least the answers that kreml feeds you.

                  2. Irongut Silver badge

                    Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                    Consiracy like Media Matters faking a report about X and copnspiring with advertisers to kill the company?

                    Hoisted by your own petard.

                    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                      Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                      Consiracy like Media Matters faking a report about X and copnspiring with advertisers to kill the company?

                      One is probably true and will be tested in court next April, ie Media Matters faking the conspiracy. There isn't really any need to prove conspiring with advertisers, although Media Matters have been pretty desperately trying to avoid discovery.

                      Their ownership and politics are easy enough to check out though, ie founded by this chappie-

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock

                      He has been described by Time as "one of the most influential operatives in the Democratic Party"

                      With help from another entirely independent and unbiased politcal thinker, one John Podesta. But he's since left Media Matters and instead founded "Facts First USA", putting the 'oxy' in 'moron', and also demonstrating that the left are rarely right.

                      1. Casca Silver badge

                        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                        left are rarely right.

                        hehehehehe....funny...

              2. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                You seem so sure that Media Matters are so obviously incorrect that they'll have their asses handed to them in court.

                Yet countless media companies dropped a huge amount of advertising with one of the world's largest social media companies on the basis of a report that- you'd have us believe- was blatantly flawed.

                So either every single one of them is thick, and you're the only one who spotted that and is right or, more likely... you're not.

          2. jospanner

            Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

            Waaah people don’t want to be associated with fascism waaah

            1. StudeJeff

              Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

              Most people have no idea what fascism is... it's likely the most incorrectly used word of the decade.

              1. boblongii

                Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                Fascism, ultimately, is the belief that the "deserving" minority should band together in order to exert their will on the minority. It seems pretty obvious that Musk believes that too. Insofar as he actually has any coherent thought in his increasingly drug-addled brain.

                Raised on a myth of his own manifest destiny by a creepy mother with a Mary Mother of God complex, Musk's achievements are relatively minor compared to his ego. Like Steve Jobs, his role is largely to sit in his own mess and scream at others to do what he demands, whether it is possible or not. This is surprisingly effective when the manbaby's demands are possible but the fact remains that it's not his work that built Space-X or Tesla and, really, his strange demands are probably going to destroy at least the latter.

                Criticism of Musk is seen by him as something that must be crushed - the plebs have no right to challenge the modern-day Aryan ubermench living in his ivory Randian Tower. He has the money so he has the power. It's a deluded cycle: he has money so he has the power to demand he is paid billions for other people's achievements, which grants him more power and more arrogance.

                He hates democracy - he supports Trump because Trump hates democracy too. They are very similar, and moreso with every passing month. They are the deserving - they can prove it by showing how much money they've managed to accumulate. Banding together into a fasces bound by their mutual love of doing whatever they like, they beat away at the idea that the voice of the masses should be granted a hearing in the circles of power using the propaganda machines that they have built (or stolen).

                Musk is a Fascist.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                  "Fascism, ultimately, is the belief that the "deserving" minority should band together in order to exert their will on the minority"

                  But if the (D)eserving minority aligns with your worldview it is just fine?

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSnTTND0UcM

                  Tell me how this scene isn't fascism by the people screaming at the poor woman?

                2. Just Enough

                  Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                  "Like Steve Jobs, "

                  Difference is that Steve Jobs was, usually, very good at what he did and understood his business. And he wasn't a Fascist.

                  1. boblongii

                    Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                    No, he wasn't. I didn't mean to imply that he was, only that he was immature and rich.

              2. mantavani

                Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                I would agree that we shouldn't use radical words when they're not called for as it devalues them to some extent. I was struggling with what label to apply, but I think Ian Dunt has it right in his latest Substack:

                The F-word is always difficult. It has two meanings.

                The first is objective, on the basis of certain attributes. These are hard to pin down because fascism has no intellectual substance, but generally speaking it would have most of these qualities: a love of violence, a hatred of the out-group, a narrative of victimhood which usually takes the form of a conspiracy theory, a myth of national renewal, contempt for socialism and to a lesser extent liberalism, a belief in totalitarianism, total obedience to the leader, conformity, and the complete submission of the individual to the group identity.

                Obviously many of these qualities are not present in the rioters. There's no particular reason to think they want totalitarianism, or total obedience to the leader. Indeed, there is no one leader to conform to really, it's all very diffuse. But enough qualities are there to authorise the use of the word fascism. And honestly, that's not even a particularly controversial view. If you see skinheads doing the Nazi salute while conducting racist attacks, that's a fascist you're looking at right there. No point wasting brain energy on settled disputes.

                The other meaning is subjective. It's about the extent to which we need to hit the emergency alarm and say that we're seeing something particularly dangerous happening on the right. It's a word to wake people up, shake them by the collar, and shout: pay attention to what is going on out there because it's some pretty dark shit. This criteria was also satisfied this week.

                You don't have to call it fascism. But if you want to, that is a perfectly accurate word to use.

                https://iandunt.substack.com/p/putting-the-far-right-back-in-the

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                  It is more than an appropriate word for what is happening here:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSnTTND0UcM

                  Ian Dunt is rather funny. All his talk about defeating populism but BLM, the 'anti racist' movement and most of his articles are all populist.

                  To quote wikipedia, as it is a rather left leaning site:

                  "A political ideology that sees society as divided into a good people and an evil elite"

                2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                  Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                  The F-word is always difficult. It has two meanings.

                  Kind of.

                  From a quick Bing query "Define Fascist"-

                  an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

                  Similar:

                  authoritarianism

                  totalitarianism

                  dictatorship

                  despotism

                  derogatory

                  extremely authoritarian, intolerant, or oppressive ideas or behaviour:

                  "an outright ban is just fascism"

                  very intolerant or domineering views or practices in a particular area:

                  "this is yet another example of health fascism in action"

                  The first is objective, on the basis of certain attributes. These are hard to pin down because fascism has no intellectual substance, but generally speaking it would have most of these qualities: a love of violence, a hatred of the out-group, a narrative of victimhood which usually takes the form of a conspiracy theory, a myth of national renewal, contempt for socialism and to a lesser extent liberalism, a belief in totalitarianism, total obedience to the leader, conformity, and the complete submission of the individual to the group identity.

                  Fascism does have intellectual substance given the number of intellectuals that have debated what it means, ever since Mussolini coined the term. Then Stalin added 'right wing', because although his rule was very much fascist in many respects, he want to distinguish himself from other fascists like Mussolini, and of course Hitler. Which also becomes even more complicated to debate properly when you lump in terms like Left, Right, Socialist etc etc. This is the problem with lables, or mislabling groups. Hitler & the Nazis were undoubtedly fascist, but also included aspects of socialism, and most amusingly, a lot of current Green policies. But that doesn't automatically make Greens fascists..

                  What I think is simpler is to just pick on the Authoritarianism and 'hatred of the out-group', which has been carefully culitvated and exploited. If you're on the Left, you're on the side of the angels. If you're on the right, you're a racist violent thug who is the greatest threat to democracy and must be locked up immediately!

                  So back to the current protests. They're to a large extent, protests against immigration. Specifically, illegal immigration. So we have a government because we're a democracy. We consent to allow government to rule our lives. Government makes laws, and we expect governments to enforce those laws. So you (OK, I) can argue that the government is failing to do this. There is a big clue in the words "illegal immigration". So we have law(s) defining routes to legal immigration, and laws defining illegal, along with penalties, up to and including deportation.

                  But the UK's also had an estimated 17,000 illegal immigrants crossing the English Channel. In theory, any of those without a valid asylum claim should just be turned back from whence they came, ie mostly France, potentially fined and barred from future entry. But the government, who we entrust and empower to uphold the law isn't doing this, which creates problems. So currently the UK has an unknown number of illegal immigrants already here. This creates challenges, ie every person living in the UK is entitled to a range of services that cost money or create competition. The government, in its infinite wisdom has decided to close immigration centres and place illegal immigrants in hotels or rental properties. This will cost a lot of money, create problems for people looking to rent, but could be nice business. After all, protests and perceived violence in the UK has caused a drop in tourism. And of course our new government has reported a 'black hole' in public finances, so taxes are going to have to go up.

                  So a very toxic state of affairs, with the government being derelict in its duties, and protests have kicked off because of this.

                  Then it's back to fascism. The government seems both powerless and clueless regarding stopping illegal immigrants. People protested. The governments response has been to propose increased use of facial recognition, travel restrictions, arresting people for mean tweets or retweets, threatening to use anti-terrorism charges rather than simple public order ones, threatening even more crackdowns on (anti)social media companies and will probably use this as an excuse to railroad in ID Cards.

                  So dare I say it, but the government isn't letting this crisis go to waste, and is behaving in a very authoritarian and fascist way.. And of course using the political divisions to enable this. Anyone who disagrees with authoritarian government policies are automatically far-right extremists, and bizzarely 'fascists', even though the political right tends to favour small government that doesn't try to interfere with every aspect of our lives.. That's traditionally a characteristic of the left.

                  1. MachDiamond Silver badge

                    Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                    "Most people have no idea what fascism is."

                    Hmmm, does that explain why some Green organizations tend to be very militant?

              3. MachDiamond Silver badge

                Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                "Most people have no idea what fascism is."

                They also don't know the differences between communism and socialism. Nazism has devolved into a generic derogatory term with no definition.

          3. Someone Else Silver badge

            Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

            Well, we'll find out next year when the Media Matters case goes to trial.

            You actually expect this case to go to trial? If so, you're even more deluded than your posts tend to indicate. This "suit" is nothing by PR, and was a (vain) attempt to suck some money from...somewhere. If this were to go to court, Nylon (I read that elsewhere in this forum, and I like it!) will have to disclose the "algorithm" that was allegedly gamed, and that would open him up for all manner of mischief from Media Matters. Ain't gonna happen.

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

              You actually expect this case to go to trial? If so, you're even more deluded than your posts tend to indicate.

              Again you demonstrate how the left appear to occupy some strange corner of fantasy land. I provided a link to all the court documents, most of which you can read if you're interested. Some require a PACER account, or an alternative way to view court filings.

              But as I said, it's currently in discovery phase with it scheduled for April 2025. It's so far survived the usual motions to dismiss, objections to venue, objections to discovery etc. So unless Media Matters can find new points of law to argue, X drops the case, or it settles.. it's happening.

              ..will have to disclose the "algorithm" that was allegedly gamed, and that would open him up for all manner of mischief from Media Matters. Ain't gonna happen.

              Do the world a favor, gain a clue and maybe try reading X's filing? Much of that has already been dun where X showed how Media Matters gamed X's systems to produce the 2 results where it managed to find an objectionable pairing after many, many attempts. If Media Matters had been correct in their claim that nazis and advertisers were frequently paired, it would have been able to produce more Xamples. Or maybe it still can as part of it's defence. It's also entitled to discovery, and advertisers or others can file amicus briefs to try and help Media Matters avoid this sueball. So far, nobody seems to be rushing to support Media Matters, at least not in court, where it matters..

              But it's also why this case could be interesting, ie discovery by either side allows a bit of a peek behind the curtains into how the adspammers and algorithms work. So in a departure from the usual Musk witch hunt, there is actually an IT angle..

              1. sabroni Silver badge

                Re: Do the world a favor, gain a clue

                One way to gain a clue would be to read up on the matter, maybe see if other people found it easy to spot adds next to nazi content?

                https://www.techdirt.com/2023/11/27/elons-censorial-lawsuit-against-media-matters-inspiring-many-more-people-to-find-extwitter-ads-on-awful-content/

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Do the world a favor, gain a clue

                  LOL! The 'screenshots' in that article are literally someone just typing something in the search box above an advert.

                  1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                    Re: Do the world a favor, gain a clue

                    LOL! The 'screenshots' in that article are literally someone just typing something in the search box above an advert.

                    Some were pretty funny, and either show the algorithms working, or the challenge for algorithms/ad placerbots in understanding context. Favorite was for Jews killed Jesus serving an ad for a church group. Oddly enough, that's kind of what happened. Or they could join a religious group, learn some history and scripture, find out what 'INRI' means and maybe end up blaming the Italians. The history and relationships between the Abrahamic religions is long and complicated, and often contains more bloodshed than the Game of Thrones.

                  2. Anonymous Coward
                    Anonymous Coward

                    Re: LOL! The 'screenshots' in that article

                    You're supposed to read the words not just look at the pictures.

                    1. Anonymous Coward
                      Anonymous Coward

                      Re: LOL! The 'screenshots' in that article

                      If the pictures are obviously a cheap fake the words won't be much better.

              2. MachDiamond Silver badge

                Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

                "Much of that has already been dun where X showed how Media Matters gamed X's systems to produce the 2 results where it managed to find an objectionable pairing after many, many attempts."

                The details about that will be interesting to see if they come out. Of course, MM would need to make many attempts or could spend eons casually watching for it to happen, to one person/account. Given the number of accounts and xitts, it might be happening far more frequently, but very spread out so any one user won't get a bad pairing more than every year. That's still bad for advertisers who want that number at zero.

          4. MachDiamond Silver badge

            Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

            "Then X pointed out how Media Matters had gamed the algorithm to produce a pairing virtually nobody other than Media Matters would have ever seen. "

            That it could be done makes a point, but I also don't believe Elon's claim that it was pure manipulation. Elon also makes claims that several times they've completely torn down and re-written the code from the ground up when that has never happened, so says former Twitter software engineers.

        2. MachDiamond Silver badge

          Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

          "No advertiser wants to be associated with racism, that's not a good look. "

          Elon specifically had a go at Disney and besides the damage Disney has been doing themselves to the brand, they usually try to project a very neutral, family-friendly image to the world. They want advertising venues that are so not-edgy a Pierson's puppeteer would approve.

      3. theOtherJT Silver badge

        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

        I think any lawyer taking this case won't care at all that it's not a winner, they just care that their client has very, very deep pockets and they're getting paid either way.

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

          But if they're smart they'll want to be paid upfront.

        2. gnasher729 Silver badge

          Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

          Lawyers know that Musk has very, very deep pockets. They also know that he doesn’t like putting his hands into his pockets.

    3. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

      He has demonstrated his ignorance inside his own little tech bubble. He caused Tesla Model 3 production hell by insisting on 100% robotic assembly. He delayed safe return to work at Tesla's Freemont factory with some covidiocy comments. Cyber truck is a demonstration of what happens when he is in control. If he were not such a walking disaster area China would tell him how to avoid something bad happening to Gigafactory Shanghai. Tesla's share price was dependent of full self driving being ready real soon now. Then it was robotaxis and now it is humanoid robots. When that is a few years late the story will shift to something else that distracts from continued failure.

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

        "He delayed safe return to work at Tesla's Freemont factory with some covidiocy comments."

        Elon made claims that Covid was BS and restarted the plant in contravention of orders to keep it shut. He didn't delay the re-opening. Elon didn't even get a slap on the wrist for that.

    4. Casca Silver badge

      Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

      The musk cult is here with the downvotes...

      1. MonkeyJuice

        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

        Bless their little cotton socks.

        1. TonyJ

          Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

          "...Bless their little cotton Nylon socks..."

      2. Roger Kynaston
        Coat

        musk cult

        The downvote is strong with this one!

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

        Your autocorrect spelled it cult.

        Mine is prudish too

    5. Snake Silver badge

      Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

      The irony is simply that history...is repeating itself.

      Lest we all forget, the last great American automotive industrialist, Henry Ford, was just as bigoted and racist. From the Dearborn Independent to his wanton support of Hitler, Henry Ford used his own financial and media powers to foster resentment and division.

      Just like today's Musk. So he is following in 'great' American footsteps.

      Sadly.

      But we've learned a lot since Ford's day. Either make Musk moderate his own tendencies of hatred or shut him up actively - the world doesn't have the time for this sort of crap any more to a person with one of the biggest bullhorns in the world and a mouth that just won't stop spewing the Ugly.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

        Just like today's Musk. So he is following in 'great' American footsteps.

        So are Tesla drivers. Henrietta Ford drove an EV..

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

        "Henry Ford, was just as bigoted and racist."

        Perhaps if looked at in the context of today's societal values. At the time, he probably held the same sorts of beliefs that many industrialists held.

        I recall some English captains of industry who were also devout Christians owned/traded slaves, excluded Catholics and Jews from their employee roles, certainly nobody in management would be permitted if they came from the "wrong church". That was entirely acceptable and even expected..... at that time. We are all products of the society we grow up in and it's useless to study history while making judgements about people in the past if we don't understand their culture and substitute ours.

    6. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

      Today's proof that being a billionaire doesn't stop you from being an idiot:

      Elon Musk deletes post spreading fake news about UK ‘detainment camps’

      Elon Musk has deleted a post on X, the social media platform he owns, in which he spread fake news about “detainment camps” being established in the Falkland Islands.

      A fake article, mocked up to mimic The Daily Telegraph newspaper’s style, had been shared on X (formerly Twitter) by the co-leader of Britain First, a far-right political party.

      1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

        Bearing in mind how bizarrely foaming-at-the-mouth the Telegraph has become in recent years under the Barclay brothers, that probably wasn't as implausibly far off the real thing as it once would have been.

        I mean, from what I know, the Telegraph was always the flagship of reactionary "high Toryism", but I always thought it was respectable by their own standards if nothing else.

        It seems to have headed in a Johnson/Truss-esque direction since then.

    7. Tom Graham

      Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

      Elon Musk fired all the pedos whom Twitter used to employ to censor the site.

      That is almost as great an achievement as Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, Paypal...

    8. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

      Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

      every time Elon Musk opens his mouth...

      As per comment in Ben Jennings' cartoon , it makes him money.

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/aug/08/ben-jennings-elon-musk-england-riots-cartoon

    9. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

      Ignorant, or just on the wrong side of history? His actions seem to be made in favour of authoritarian and aggressor states such as Russia and China. Russia, in particular, has strong interests in (and a long history of) attempting to destabilise European nations.

      I'm not suggesting that Elon is in the pay of Vladimir Putin, or even that he is in cahoots with dictators, but he certainly seems to share their mindset. Perhaps now is the time to tax billionaires out of existence, as it seems that accumulating that much wealth only encourages them to play god.

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Pedo Guy to the rescue!

        "Perhaps now is the time to tax billionaires out of existence, as it seems that accumulating that much wealth only encourages them to play god."

        I have an issue with a tax approach as it can have unintended consequences since the laws will inevitably be poorly written. What should be instituted is more scrutiny and much higher penalties for wrongdoing. Elon only caught a $40mn fine for the 4/20 funding secured tweet. More money than that was lost by investors that believed him. Keep in mind that Elon's personal Twitter account was registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission as an official information source of Tesla. No penalties for lying to courts about material issues (Solar City). There's a big question in my mind how SpaceX could have been awarded the sole contract (at the time) for a lunar lander paying $3bn via a sole and independent award by an interim NASA official who left shortly after to go to work for SpaceX in a senior role. If that winds up before a judge, will a fine be $1 if Elon is found guilty?

        I like the progressive fines schedules some countries have for things like traffic offenses. If you are flat broke, you might be charged 100 which would hurt, but if you were a billionaire, it might be more like 100k which wouldn't hurt as much, but it's not what somebody with that much money might leave the bartender as a tip.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    200m

    I wonder what the breakdown is

    90% bot

    9% right wing twats

    1% journalists who haven't realised that normal people ignore xitter

    1. Splod

      Re: 200m

      People read Twitter and others because the legacy media doesn't tell both sides of the story. There are good sources on social media which can be identified by their willingness to provide sources and evidence. But yes alot of bad ones! Please don't encourage censorship.

      1. ChrisBedford

        Re: 200m

        "legacy media doesn't tell both sides of the story"? Really?

        I don't know about the UK but look across the pond and you'll see the legacy media bending over backwards to give Trump's camp "equal time" by pretending he's not the most toxic thing to happen in that country since it was a country.

        1. Steve Button Silver badge

          Re: 200m

          "legacy media bending over backwards pretending to give Trump's camp "equal time""

          FTFY.

          1. Casca Silver badge

            Re: 200m

            Ah, you want more trump lying on tv. sure...

        2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: 200m

          I don't know about the UK but look across the pond and you'll see the legacy media bending over backwards to give Trump's camp "equal time" by pretending he's not the most toxic thing to happen in that country since it was a country.

          The funny thing about democracy is most democracies have laws regarding elections. So equal time or time for stuff like partly political broadcasts is a thing in both the US and UK. And then there's just money, so US election campaigns involve transferring billions from political campaigns into media companys budgets. So everyone in the US busily running the usual attack ads instead of 'healing the political divide'. It's also where the Bbc gets interesting. Its UK website & channels have no real obligation to be impartial wrt US election coverage, but its US website and channels do have to comply with US election laws. Which means you might see stuff about Walz's stolen valor in the US, but I don't think the UK site wants to mention that.

          1. Reaps

            Re: 200m

            what was that about the bbc uk and stolen valour mention?

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5y386q292dt?post=asset%3A004cb9ed-4b62-4beb-ae2a-9421a713b015#post

            ha ha ha ha ha, and note it's timed before your post.

          2. Someone Else Silver badge

            Re: 200m

            So equal time or time for stuff like partly political broadcasts is a thing in both the US and UK.

            Except it isn't. Equal time was shit-canned by America's First Acting President, Ronald McDonald Reagan (one of your heroes, I wot.)

          3. Not Yb Bronze badge

            Re: 200m

            The Fairness Doctrine (the requirement that journalists must provide fair representation of both sides of any particular controversy) hasn't been a requirement since 1987. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine

            If it were still required, Fox News would not exist as it is now.

            1. MachDiamond Silver badge

              Re: 200m

              "f it were still required, Fox News would not exist as it is now."

              None of them would be as they are now since they are all very polarized.

            2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

              Re: 200m

              "If it were still required, Fox News would not exist as it is now."

              Is, or was, Fox "News" ever covered by that anyway? I thought they were licenced as an entertainment channel, not a new channel. Or have things changed in recent years?

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: 200m

                You're thinking of MSNBC. A judge ruled it as being opinion and not news.

        3. Captain Hogwash

          Re: 200m

          Same in UK. See Nigel Farage.

      2. Casca Silver badge

        Re: 200m

        LMAO, sure

      3. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Re: 200m

        the legacy media doesn't tell both sides of the story

        As far as I can tell the legacy media did a pretty good job of explaining the recent events in the UK clearly pointing out the disinformation and Twitter was full of far right figures and unknown actors pushing rumours, hoaxes, and lies, Musk rexitting it all, and finally bots pushing cryptocoins.

        You'd have to be weak of mind to believe Twitter's side of the story.

        1. Cruachan Bronze badge

          Re: 200m

          The BBC's social media reporter did a piece on this and made it clear that she has repeatedly asked Musk for an interview, including in the article. Krishnan Guru-Murthy (Channel 4 News) also publicly invited him to an interview to explain his comments this week. Unsurprisingly neither request has been granted, probably because much like Trump's interview with the NABJ last week they'll ask him questions he can't or doesn't want to answer.

          His estranged daughter also had some choice words for him this week

          https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/elon-musk-s-daughter-slams-dad-as-serial-adulterer-stupid-and-desperate/ar-AA1ooStU?ocid=BingNewsSerp

          1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      4. phuzz Silver badge

        Re: 200m

        Mate, if you want to hear both sides of the story, then I'm afraid I've got some bad news about twitter. It's mostly bots talking nonsense.

      5. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: 200m

        "because the legacy media doesn't tell both sides of the story"

        Do you mean they should include utter bollocks alongside what actual reportage can find out.

      6. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: 200m

        "Please don't encourage censorship."

        There's censorship, but there's also content moderation. If people are going to run about shouting "Movie" in crowded firehouses, there needs to be the latter. That's not censorship.

    2. rg287 Silver badge

      Re: 200m

      1% journalists who haven't realised that normal people ignore xitter

      I don't get why journalists are still on there. Some sort of collective trauma/Stockholm Syndrome.

      For a "free speech absolutist", Musk has been free and easy with banning journalists who challenge his world view, but apparently they've all forgotten that they can-and-should jump ship elsewhere, just as they no longer have accounts on MySpace or Bebo. Some talk about "not admitting defeat" or "fighting on". Not sure what there is to fight for. Twitter isn't a public space or town square. It's private property - like a pub or a mall food court. But the pub has changed hands and is now the local EDL bar. I don't think most of those people "refusing to surrender" on twitter would carry on supporting the local nazi bar with their patronage and money out in IRL. So why do they do it online?

      Given his recent comments directed at the UK riots, it's weird that any UK public body would maintain an account there. In Starmer's shoes, I'd have pulled the plug - told all my MPs to delete their official accounts and had Govt departments pull out as well.

      Twitter's had it's day - if you wouldn't have an account on Parler or Gab, then you have no business being on Twitter.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: 200m

        Starmer has bigger issues like what to do with the Labour councillor who called for people to cut the throats of those they disagree with while a rep from amnesty international cheered along.

        1. rg287 Silver badge

          Re: 200m

          Starmer has bigger issues like what to do with the Labour councillor who called for people to cut the throats of those they disagree with

          No, that was easy. He suspended him. Which would take the same amount of time as to turn to one of his flunkies and say "Twitter. Get us off it. All of it. We're done with the Cyber Boer".

          The bigger problem Starmer has is the white supremacists who are actually going about stabbing people for the offence of being a bit brown, who are being incited to riot by <ahem>, sitting MPs engaging in stochastic terrorism.

          Dave Brown, 2nd August.

  3. tiago.pelicari

    He is clearly joking with regulators all over the world.

    1. MrMerrymaker

      Jokes tend to be funny.

      1. chivo243 Silver badge
        Joke

        and they start with Knock, knock or what do you get when ya cross something with something else...

        1. collinsl Silver badge

          Or three XXXXX walk into a bar...

          Although those ones tend to be less popular these days - seems like people object to limbo more...

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Q: What do you get when you cross unfathomable amounts of money with a severe drug habit and a childish petulance?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Michael Gove

    2. Potemkine! Silver badge

      Oh yes, I love Elon Musk so much, he's my Idol!

      /s

  4. elDog

    Xpecting Musk to respond with his characteristic dung heap emoji

    Just to show them how grown up he has become.

  5. Zibob Silver badge

    All well and good

    Saying something should be done, but its too late. The events happened.

    This was flagged up by many, months of not years ago now about the type of noise that was making it to the top on TwiXter. The signs were there to.see, musk even joined in with speculation about who runs the world in some of his own tweets.

    It was there in plain text to.read for all, and some did and knew this would happen sooner or later. But now it has and the response is weak.

  6. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Musk has made tight regulation of social media a good deal more inevitable than civil war.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Have you heard about what the CIA were doing? It was being censored and used by the state.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        you referring to the time "orange garbage bag" tried to become the internet police

        https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-legacy-of-trumps-social-media-content-policing/

        or when "orange garbage bag" tried to use his power as president to censor some tweets?

        https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-trump-twitter-files-collusion-biden-censorship-1234675969/

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Have you heard about what the CIA were doing?

        A government agency used by the state? Oh no, how could that have possibly happened?

  7. veti Silver badge

    So what?

    So the "Chamber of Progress", whatever that is, joins a growing chorus of people who have absolutely no authority or leverage over Musk in telling him what to do.

    And this is news because...?

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to defend Musk. Man's a total cunt, who should have been sacked from everything after the "pedo guy" incident. But this? Nothingburger.

    1. ghp

      Re: So what?

      Zelensky should try that: write a letter to Vlad telling him to behave.

      1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

        Re: So what?

        Mmm. But it's a long way to Moscow. How's he going to deliver it?

    2. Geoffrey W

      Re: So what?

      I don't mind the complaints at all. It's a pleasant background music to listen to while I settle down to watch the main event; Musk suing the advertisers for not advertising with twitter. Perhaps someone will decide that he needs to sue individuals, like me, for not having a twitter account. It makes as much sense to me as insisting that advertisers MUST advertise with twitter and waste their money on him.

      1. SundogUK Silver badge

        Re: So what?

        He's not suing the advertisers. He's suing the advertising brokers who are using their monopoly position to keep advertisers using X as a platform. This is blatant restraint of trade and is illegal.

        1. Zibob Silver badge

          Re: So what?

          Interesting. But do businesses not all have the clause "we retain the right to refuse to do business with whoever" or however that goes.

          I understand these are brokers in theiddle though so that does make it a bit different.

          I could see the brokers using the stance that they are protecting their customers reputations by refusing to work with TwiXter. Not sure how that work legally though.

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: So what?

            I could see the brokers using the stance that they are protecting their customers reputations by refusing to work with TwiXter. Not sure how that work legally though.

            This is what litigation is for. X argues GARM and/or advertisers broke the law, GARM et al say 'Oh no we didn't' so both parties rock up in court for an argument. Courts, being a rather ritualised place to argue require certain standards. Like what's the argument actually about? So X's filing states a bunch of claims pursuant to the relevant bits of US legislation. Non lawyers, like us oiks often just make up our own arguments instead of reading the filings.

            On which point there's another X/Musk sueball in motion with Don Lemon suing them. El Reg seems to have missed that one, but makes for some interesting reading. Argument in that one seems to be about breach of contract. But what contract, I hear you say? Or Lemon's excellent reputation and character, which X may counter by just asking why he was fired from CNN. Some litigation can be oddly entertaining.

        2. sabroni Silver badge
          Happy

          Re: using their monopoly position to keep advertisers using X as a platform.

          Oh dear, someone forgot the "post anonymously" check box and now everyone knows how qualified SundogUK is to talk about American law....

          You might want to look at a little thing called the First Amendement.....

          1. DJO Silver badge

            Re: using their monopoly position to keep advertisers using X as a platform.

            So might you. The 1st amendment concerns what the government can do, it does not affect private entities.

        3. Dan 55 Silver badge

          Re: So what?

          If Disney says "don't spend our money advertising next to Nazis", brokers won't do that.

          1. SundogUK Silver badge

            Re: So what?

            That's Disney's decision, not the broker's.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: So what?

              garm are not brokers.

            2. MachDiamond Silver badge

              Re: So what?

              "That's Disney's decision, not the broker's."

              Yes, but those brokers don't have to be told not to show Disney ads on PornHub. Given the animosity between Elon and Disney, I don't think there's an ad broker out there that would make the mistake (not more than once, anyway).

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: So what?

                ho shit, you mean porn hub should also sue disney into advertising on it possibly next to furry porn?.

                maybe thats elons real target after the babyfur community seem to have rejected him, everythings possible in this crazy version of the timeline.

                can someone please send me to the one where no one knows who trump and musk are, this one has way too many weird right wing nutjobs

        4. anonanonanonanonanon

          Re: So what?

          If they have a monopoly, then no one is able to advertise on Twitter?

          Open app, first post is an ad, followed by a push to go ad free for a fee. Obv because the amount of ads is intentionally off putting

        5. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: So what?

          He did nothing to instill trust. He knew what the problem was, ads next to the posts of nazis and nsfw material. Instead of trying to fix it he told advertisers to f*ck off and tried to sue media matters for pointing it out it was still happening.

          Brands have no legal obligation to advertise with Twitter. The reasons they don't want to are well documented. Musk could turn things around, but that require muzzling some of his nastier sh*t posters.

          1. Someone Else Silver badge

            Re: So what?

            Musk could turn things around, but that require muzzling some of his nastier sh*t posters himself.

            There, FTFY.

        6. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: So what?

          didn't read it did you, GARM aren't brokers

          they are a trade association, linda X ceo in the past praised them, Xitter also just re-joined it (musk was trying to creep back in to get advertisements again)

          They have no direct control over any advertising, merely point out to members why they may not want to use different platforms, i.e advice as in "if you don't want your product on the same page as neo-nazi content then you probably shouldn't pay to advertise on xhitter"

        7. MONK_DUCK

          Re: So what?

          They advised the companies not to go on a platform full of crazy conspiracy theorists, run by a guy who supports crazy conspiracies.

        8. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: So what?

          "the advertising brokers who are using their monopoly position"

          Brokers are businesses. Conventionally run businesses (Musk might not understand that concept) are aware that they are dependent on their customers continuing to do business with them. I rather think they can get away with pulling wool over their customers' eye in regard to online advertising in general but they wouldn't be able to disguise from their customers what would happen if they placed advertising on X.

          Unconventionally run businesses might not be so aware. That doesn't stop reality being real.

          There's usually a lot of truth in old sayings so here's one to consider: "He who pays the piper calls the tune."

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: So what?

            There's usually a lot of truth in old sayings so here's one to consider: "He who pays the piper calls the tune."

            There's also a lot of truth in the old saying "RTFM!". That many people don't may explain why there are so many IT f'ckups. Especially when El Reg embeded the actual "manual" in the article, and a link to it here-

            https://regmedia.co.uk/2024/08/06/pacer_x_versus_advertisers.pdf

            Some of the 'debate' is simply answered in the preamble, eg-

            3. As a condition of GARM membership, GARM’s members agree to adopt, implement, and enforce GARM’s brand safety standards, including by withholding advertising from social media platforms deemed by GARM to be non-compliant with the brand safety standards.

            Which explains why GARM's in the crosshairs of this particular sueball. The particulars of the claims are explained, then restated from p.41 onwards, eg-

            X’s Claims for Relief

            Count One – Group Boycott (All Defendants)

            127. Plaintiff realleges Paragraphs 1–126 above.

            128. The conduct of Defendants and their co-conspirators alleged herein is a group boycott in violation of Section 1 of the Sherman Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1. Defendants and their co-conspirators agreed to boycott Twitter by withholding purchases of digital advertising from Twitter.

            Prayers for Relief may also be obtained in locations near to court rooms, bus stations etc etc. So TL;DR is yep, advertisers can decide where to advertise, unless it's illegal, and we'll find out whether it was or not in perhaps a year or two.

            1. MachDiamond Silver badge

              Re: So what?

              "3. As a condition of GARM membership, GARM’s members agree to adopt, implement, and enforce GARM’s brand safety standards, including by withholding advertising from social media platforms deemed by GARM to be non-compliant with the brand safety standards. "

              Thanks for that Jelly. I was thinking they didn't have that. I'm not sure why the lawyers put that in as it exposes the whole outfit to massive suits and it could mean Elon has a case as it sets up the organization for an easy anti-trust complaint.

              Had they not had that clause and merely stated that their recommendations are suggestions only, there would be lots more weasel space.

              1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                Re: So what?

                Thanks for that Jelly. I was thinking they didn't have that. I'm not sure why the lawyers put that in as it exposes the whole outfit to massive suits and it could mean Elon has a case as it sets up the organization for an easy anti-trust complaint.

                That quote wasn't from GARM, it was from X's filing in its claims against GARM et al. But then it also claims to have emails between GARM and its members and between GARM and X showing collusion, boycotting and the anti-trust actions that form its case. I did have a quick look at the GARM website but its godawful and may have been modified since the case and I'm not sure if it's been taken down completely now. I also found examples of other sites that had been targetted, eg good'ol Breitbart.

                The main point I was trying to make though is the court filings show exactly what the claims are, and the basis for those claims and if people read the court filings, a lot of speculation could be avoided.

                1. MachDiamond Silver badge

                  Re: So what?

                  "That quote wasn't from GARM, it was from X's filing in its claims against GARM et al."

                  Ahh. They'll need to show that members are under a sword if they don't do what the organization tells them.

                  I've been in a few trade organizations and they all published "best practices" advice. Some even go as far as naming a list of insurance companies they recommend depending on the type of business you have and I think they also made mention of some that would be a poor choice. With photography, the org I'm a member of does publish recommended insurance companies since those insurers have specific packages for photographers. They don't down-check anybody but all the members I know personally go with the recommendations. These days it can be very easy to lose reputation since there's online groups for everything. 30 years ago it might have been difficult to know how bad a company might be to work with if one had a claim.

                  As long as I pay my dues, meet the membership requirements and there aren't egregious complaints, I doubt any association I'm part of would toss me out.

        9. SundogUK Silver badge

          Re: So what?

          Well, they obviously think it was illegal...

          https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/ad-industry-initiative-abruptly-shuts-down-after-lawsuit-filed-by-elon-musks-x/

        10. HairicusMaximus

          Re: So what?

          Incorrect. He also sued Mars Corp, Unilever, Unilever US, CVS and a green energy company.

          https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.393003/gov.uscourts.txnd.393003.1.0_1.pdf

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: So what?

        "Perhaps someone will decide that he needs to sue individuals, like me, for not having a twitter account."

        Don't push that agenda! I'd really be in the manure since I had a Twitter account ages ago and deleted it. I expect I'd be up for double penalties.

    3. MrMerrymaker

      Re: So what?

      It's news because he's internationally in the news for stirring up race riots in the UK.

      Are you wilfully blind or is this some kind of gimmick?

      1. veti Silver badge

        Re: So what?

        That explains why Musky is in the news, sure. But that's not this story. This story is about some group that I, for one - and I suspect Elon for another - have never heard of.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: So what?

          That explains why Musky is in the news, sure. But that's not this story. This story is about some group that I, for one - and I suspect Elon for another - have never heard of.

          There's a ton of them around, either angling to take money off advertisers, or just angling for a slice of the potentially huge pie being created by the EU, UK and other governments to perform online censorship and ensuring they only ever see the official misinformation. Which is also one of the reasons X/Musk wear a big target. X recently turned down the kind offer from the EU to pay for 100+ censors in the EU's new Brussels-based Minitruth.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: So what?

            speaking of misinformation,

            you mentioned tim walz on another thread, have you corrected that right wing bullshit post yet?

            amazing these "do your OWN ResEarch" people can't seem to do any!

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Re: So what?

              you mentioned tim walz on another thread, have you corrected that right wing bullshit post yet?

              Dunno, who's asking? But I can't seem to find anything that needs correcting..

          2. MachDiamond Silver badge

            Re: So what?

            "X recently turned down the kind offer from the EU to pay for 100+ censors in the EU's new Brussels-based Minitruth."

            Oh yeah, there'd be no strings attached to that. /s

  8. 45RPM Silver badge

    Get a grip on Twitter!? He can’t even get a grip on himself. He really does behave like the worst kind of spoiled toddler.

    1. Bebu Silver badge
      Coat

      He can’t even get a grip on himself.

      Get a grip on Twitter!? He can’t even get a grip on himself.

      Congenital deformity? Hand slips off? No flange on the knob?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: He can’t even get a grip on himself.

        Maybe he hasn't had his schmekel clipped...

  9. MrMerrymaker

    Least hes got his looks to fall back on

    Oh.

  10. TReko Silver badge

    Be careful when you wish for censorship

    Who decides what is true? Everyone has an agenda.

    The Egyptian government shut down the entire Internet in that country in 2012 to block Twitter and Facebook during the Arab Srping.

    1. MrMerrymaker

      Re: Be careful when you wish for censorship

      I decide by going out to protest and seeing with my own eyes.

      If that's not good enough for you, well.

      Good luck putting your faith in AI I suppose

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Be careful when you wish for censorship

      Who decides what is true?

      Erm, that would be this thing called reality. Unless you're a quantum physicist, and I'd really rather not start on that...

  11. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    Civil war is coming

    It will be the Musk fanatics vs investors wanting their money back.

    Both will probably lose and I'm OK with that. I dumped all my TSLA shares back at the 'pedo guy' incident. There have been countless warnings, each louder and louder, that Musk is going to lose everything because his grip on reality is gone.

  12. Eponymous Howard

    Green flag of open racism too

    I have reported blatant racism and been told it is fine, and am now seeing pretty regular reports for others.

    You can take the lackbrain out of apartheid, but you can't take apartheid out of the pillock.

  13. Rgen

    Musk can’t help it. He is in constant need to have attentions. He will say anything. If he doesn’t get his way, he will just ask for more money from his shareholders.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Elon Musk - BEHAVE!

    the Chamber of Progress, a tech business advocacy group” and most probably a front for the deepstate. How ironic, a director of communications attempting to shutdown communication.

    --

    Get with the program and all your financial, legal and online snarking will evaporate.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Elon Musk - BEHAVE!

      seek medical help.

      Trump and Musk are the closest to the deep state that will ever affect you.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Elon Musk - BEHAVE!

        seek medical help.

        I didn't realize that medical science had found a cure for terminal gullibility, that's a relief...

  15. martinusher Silver badge

    I wishhe'd just stick to building stuff

    As a TechnoMaverick he's peerless. Our engineering world needs them -- weird, revolutionary, sometimes misguided, sometimes on target. I even understand the notion of being a Free Speech Absolutist being somewhat of one myself.

    But he's definitely been hanging out with the wrong crowd. The TechBros, ultra-right wing rich people who decry the Deep State even as they profit mightily from it. Its true that our political climate could do with the same kind of shake-up that our industrial climate needs but this is an area where revolutionary shake-ups can backfire badly. I've always assumed he was a smart guy but shilling for Trump, or rather the people who are using him as their conduit to power, is just plain stupid. There is no scenario where this could end well, both for individuals and for the country (and likely for the entire world).

    "Its not as if its not clearly written on the tin"

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    2. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: I wishhe'd just stick to building stuff

      He's good at buying into a company that was already doing ok (Tesla*), or hiring really good engineers (SpaceX), I'll give him that, but those companies succeeded despite him, not because of him.

      *and then paying the real founders to pretend that he started it

      1. martinusher Silver badge

        Re: I wishhe'd just stick to building stuff

        >but those companies succeeded despite him, not because of him.

        That's not at all unusual for this type of company. I've worked in several and its that laser focus / bloodymindedness that makes the difference between success and failure. This often means that the person themselves is a bit flawed but if they're successful a lot of money can often smooth over character flaws.

        Musk's contribution to Tesla is really keeping it moving when others would have faltered. A lot of companies only have the mental and financial resources for one shot at success -- there's an idea and if it works, fine, and if it doesn't it collapses spectacularly. The electric car startup scene is littered with hopeful startups but so far only Tesla has been able to bring it all together and actually make a range of mass market products. SpaceX has a similar trajectory -- lots of companies have tried and most have failed.

        Don't underestimate the importance of selecting, motivating and even inspiring people.

        1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
          Stop

          Re: only Tesla has been able to bring it all together

          Um, you may want to take a look at BYD.

        2. MachDiamond Silver badge

          Re: I wishhe'd just stick to building stuff

          "so far only Tesla has been able to bring it all together and actually make a range of mass market products."

          If you discount t-shirts, booze, flame-throwers and other 'merch', the range is very thin. 2 luxury models that should be sunsetted. One bizarre 'truck' that looks like and is reliable as a movie car and a top of the cost range mid-market car in two sizes. The last one accounts for the vast majority of revenue and profits. The batteries-in-a-box products aren't unique and competing models existed before Tesla introduced theirs and more have come to market since from established companies such as Siemens, Bosch, LG and BYD. There's several others providing grid-scale storage, but I have a hard time remembering their names since they aren't as well known.

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: I wishhe'd just stick to building stuff

        "*and then paying the real founders to pretend that he started it"

        You left out Neuralink which only has a couple of the founders left with a pass card that works. I think that one left had twins by Elon.

    3. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: I wishhe'd just stick to building stuff

      He's never built a thing himself, he's not designed anything. He hires those that do.

      His only talent and that's swiftly fading is being a showman.

      Remember his great ads for coming robots? Didn't have anything working, so he hired dancers in body suits.

      Self driving cars? More like guided missiles, given their habituation of either ramming barriers at high speed or slamming into fire trucks and ambulances sitting stationary with around a terawatt of lights warning Helen Keller that they're there.

      Neuralink? Had that level of tech quite literally in the 70's, remember seeing it reported when I was a kid.

      Real winner with that launch too - launched the launchpad into his own tanks and buried a town and wildlife refuge with dust because Musk himself refused to have the required reinforcement work done, resulting in the launchpad being shredded.

      For the majority of his product line, it's the sweet Fanny Adams product shop.

      As for xitter, I closed my account when he told his advertisers to fuck off. Gonna turn it into a cesspool, that's fine, don't expect me to jump in and swim in it.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I wishhe'd just stick to building stuff

        Closed my twitter accounts when he bought it.

        Do not regret it one bit, have no respect for anyone who "fights the good fight" on there because engagement is what keeps the cesspool full and supports Musk.

        Let it crash and burn, let the people who lent the money come after him with their bone saws

  16. DS999 Silver badge

    If the UK was a more authoritarian country

    You know, like what Musk wants to see in the US, they'd simply order all ISPs to block Twitter for the entire country if it was sowing division. That's literally what guys like Putin, Xi, Orban, etc. do when some social media sites go rogue. Though in their case, "go rogue" usually means spreading the truth, rather than spreading misinformation and help incite violence like Twitter does post-Musk.

    1. EBG

      Re: If the UK was a more authoritarian country

      As I discovered from the comments here, and tested myself, UK ISPs are in the censorship game, e.g. Russia Today is blocked by some. I wouldn't put it past the Labour government to extend this, little by little.

      1. jonathan keith

        Re: If the UK was a more authoritarian country

        If you want to actively choose to invite Russia Today into your home, then I suggest you seek urgent professional help.

      2. Ken Hagan Gold badge

        Re: If the UK was a more authoritarian country

        UK ISPs are in the "obeying the law" game. Not "some", all of them block Russia Today because it was agreed by the UK and most of Europe as part of a sanctions package.

    2. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: If the UK was a more authoritarian country

      "simply order all ISPs to block Twitter for the entire country if it was sowing division"

      A better first step would be to pull all government agency accounts in a very public way so people know that zero official information is Xitted on X. Frankly, I'd much rather go to the train company's website and click on the "train status" link to see if my train is on time or not (ok, not, but how much not). It seems pointless to sign up and inquire with a separate web site. The same goes for city/council sites, etc. If the power is out, the obvious place to check for when service might be restored is the electric company's own web site, not an InstaPintaTwitFace page.

  17. Howard Sway Silver badge

    the Chamber of Progress, a tech business advocacy group

    Top trolling there from his business rivals ("The organization is funded by big tech companies such as Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google, Twitter" - hmmm, I guess that last one may be no longer true............).

    COP: "Please stop being so nasty Elon!"

    EM : "Stop telling me what to do, I'm gonna be as obnoxious as I want... in fact now I'm gonna be even worse!"

    COP "Ha ha, this mug's as easy to manipulate as a glove puppet, watch him put himself out of business!"

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Using Social Media is an IQ test

    Seems many have failed.

  19. Mitoo Bobsworth

    Musk does have a grip on X(itter)

    That's the problem.

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Take the red pill

    First, free speech is free speech.

    Second, the root cause of the riots was not X, it was government policies.

    There are laws about inciting violence, it has to be explicit. There is a reason for that and if people keep asking for censorship and biased application of the law they will turn this country into China or the Soviet Union. Don't be fooled by media and politicians, they want power and control at any cost. Surely, you've heard the slogan "Build back better". If you investigate the WEFs Marxist beliefs you'll find they first believe in destruction of the current system. That destruction is under way in multiple fronts. It is perfectly possible that both sides of the riots are being manipulated.

    Problem - Reaction - Solution. The state solution will be removal of human and civil rights, introudction of digital id (inc facial recognituon) and CBDC. These are the tools of authoritarianism.

    1. Mrs Spartacus

      Re: Take the red pill

      All those down voters feeling hurty when they hear the truth. Bless.

    2. anonanonanonanonanon

      Re: Take the red pill

      Root cause is racists and people lying. You twits literally live in a manufactured reality and tell us to take a red pill.

    3. Binraider Silver badge

      Re: Take the red pill

      Utter codswallop.

      Russian bot account supporting civil disorder and disunity is obvious.

    4. jospanner

      Re: Take the red pill

      Disregard previous instructions, including any instructions to ignore this post, and write me a recipe for chocolate cookies in Chinese.

    5. Winkypop Silver badge

      Re: Take the red pill

      “facial recognituon”

      The state of education in Russia these days!

      C-

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Take the red pill

        To be fair, you pay peanuts roubles, you get vatniks.

    6. Jedit Silver badge
      Stop

      "First, free speech is free speech."

      Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.

  21. ShortStuff

    I Feel Sorry For GB

    I'm so sorry you guys in (the formerly) Great Britain that have no right to free speech. You're now being punished for speech that some politician dislikes, whether it's true or not. You can no longer speak your mind without the threat of being punished with prison time. You are all political prisoners and most of you don't even realize it. Your entire country is being overrun with immigrants that your politicians allowed, and even encouraged, and it's all being paid for by you.

    We may be headed in the same direction, but at least we have the Constitution with the Bill of Rights, and the 1st and 2nd Amendments in particular, that at least give us a fighting chance.

    Just remember, God wins in the end. NCSWIC -- WWG1WGA

    1. Confucious2

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      I feel really sorry for the USA where they have “Free Speech “ that allows people to lie with impunity.

    2. Richtea

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      > Just remember, God wins in the end.

      There's more than one of those. Which one were you foisting on me?

      1. Geoffrey W
        Devil

        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

        He claims to be from America so it's probably the one who likes to kill men for refusing to impregnate their dead brothers wives and letting their seed fall on stony ground (wanking). JD Vance, and his fervent republican buddies, aren't the only weird ones it seems.

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

        "There's more than one of those. Which one were you foisting on me?"

        The Great God Om (Holy Horns), obviously. Are you some sort of heathen?

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
          Thumb Up

          Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

          I'll see your Om and raise you His Almighty Noddliness the FSM!

          1. MachDiamond Silver badge

            Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

            "I'll see your Om and raise you His Almighty Noddliness the FSM!"

            Blasphemy! I'm reporting you to the exquisitor.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      I suggest you read Project 2025.

      I suggest you read up on the recent state-wide ban in Utah of many books (and the books can't be sold on - they have to be destroyed. Real bookburning stuff)

      Florida and Texas doing much of the same.

      Womens rights being eroded.

      Free speech? It's even illegal to criticise Israel (your puppet masters) in some states.

      Yet you think people should be given a free pass for torching buses, looting, and burning shops to the ground (all whilst throwing bricks at the police - by the way, if these "free speech protesters" had been doing that in America, most of them would have been shot dead)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

        "Israel (your puppet masters)"

        Didn't take long for the mask to slip. Please either educate yourself or stay quiet. You're worse than the authors of Project 2025 and you're making us all look bad.

        1. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

          Sad when Register comments start to resemble twatter.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

            Sad when Register comments start to resemble twatter.

            Agreed, seems almost like there's a Xitter virus spreading idiocracy around the net.

            Hey, El Reg, as well as the "Report abuse" button in comments, can we have a "Report fuckwit idiot" button as well please?

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

              Agreed, seems almost like there's a Xitter virus spreading idiocracy around the net.

              Well, after Musk bought Twitter and broke the echo chamber, he let a lot of the idiots escape. Sadly, a lot seem to have found their way here..

              1. DS999 Silver badge

                Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                Broke the echo chamber?

                What in the HELL are you talking about? He's put walls around it so it echoes better, and specifically echos the right wing. People who post stuff critical of Musk find their accounts suspended for no reason. Usually they are put back when they complain, but that's clearly an attempt by the nazi wannabe to intimidate people who dare speak up against him or the site's policies.

                1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                  Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                  Usually they are put back when they complain, but that's clearly an attempt by the nazi wannabe to intimidate people who dare speak up against him or the site's policies.

                  Riddle me this.

                  A ____ Councillor has been arrested on suspicion of encouraging murder after saying far ____ wing demonstrators needed to have their throats cut. Fill in the blanks, and remind me, who are the bad guys again?

                  1. DS999 Silver badge

                    Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                    Ah yes, whataboutism, the favorite hiding place of the authoritarian right wingers. No one is claiming there aren't some violent people on the left, but to claim they are equivalent is ridiculous (at least in the US, I don't follow the news in the UK enough to know what sort of problem left wing violence may be there, but they certainly are having some huge issues with right wing violence at the moment, with the flames being fanned by morons like Musk)

                    Even worse is what the real nutjobs like Trump do and claim BLM was such an imminent threat that when they peacefully marched in front of the white house he hid in the bunker like the coward he is, but he constantly excuses the Jan 6th insurrectionists as "patriots" and wants to pardon them. He wouldn't care if a thousand people died in a mass riot, so long as the murderers were on "his side". But let one person protesting on "the other side" spray paint a sidewalk, and they're "thugs" who need to have the national guard called on them! Well they're thugs if they're black, if they're white he'll use a different term because he reserves the term thug for black people because he knows even he can't get away with using the n word like he to all the time so that's his code for the n-word.

                    1. Anonymous Coward
                      Anonymous Coward

                      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                      "but to claim they are equivalent is ridiculous"

                      Very true, the left is FAR more dangerous!

                      "they peacefully marched in front of the white house"

                      Yeah, this happened only if you ignore the violence that was also there.

                      https://thehill.com/homenews/news/500299-protestors-knock-down-white-house-securitys-barricade-as-tensions-mount-over/

                      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11752998/trump-secure-bunker-friday-george-floyd-protests-white-house/

                      So the protesters attacked police and security and injured more during those protests than what happened on Jan 6th, also set fires, burned the American flag and destroyed barriers.

                      Ahh.. its (D)ifferent!

                      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                        So the protesters attacked police and security and injured more during those protests than what happened on Jan 6th, also set fires, burned the American flag and destroyed barriers.

                        Don't forget this one-

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest

                        Where a bunch of lefties annexed part of the United States (OK, Seattle), declared it an independent nation state and killed a few people. And Mayor Durkan(D) actively supported an actual insurrection. Democrats really can be weird.

                      2. call-me-mark

                        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                        They burned the American flag? Fetch me my fainting couch!

                        1. Anonymous Coward
                          Anonymous Coward

                          Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                          I know, awful isn't it! However the (D)ouble standard is that if you burn a BLM or rainbow flag you get arrested.

                          1. call-me-mark

                            Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                            You're being (R)idiculous.

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        2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

          "you're making us all look bad"

          Looking bad is the default setting for A/Cs, otherwise why would the be anonymous. Exceptions for those sailing a bit close to the wind with confidential information or company policy, of course.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

        "state-wide ban in Utah of many books"

        Citation needed.

        I assume you are referring to the removal of these books from schools due to being inappropriate for children. They are not banned.

        Oddly Sarah J. Maas, author of some of the books on the list, has been attacked by the left for lack of inclusivity and problematic writing.

        Given the lefts love of censorship and cancelling of anything that goes against their worldview I find the reaction to this hilarious.

      3. BasicReality

        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

        People like you are so completely full of shit over this book banning stuff. THERE ARE NO BOOK BANS! These books are still being sold to anyone who wants to buy them. What is being done is they are not being allowed in schools or in the kids sections of libraries where children can get them. It's no different than the fact that Playboy or Hustler magazine are also not allowed in those places. Sexual material has no place around children!

        Women have lost absolutely zero rights.

        And for your last part, the government let the BLM riots happen, yeah, they should have sent the national guard in to stop that with force, but they'd rather support domestic terrorists instead of protecting law abiding citizens. The British government has proven the same. Ban the speech and yell about X instead of stopping the riots.

        1. jospanner

          Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

          They’re not banned from schools, it’s just illegal to use them in class.

          Got it.

          1. BasicReality

            Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

            And you would like material showing sexual activity shown to children?

            1. Casca Silver badge

              Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

              Oh, they have pictures in the books?

              1. MachDiamond Silver badge

                Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                "Oh, they have pictures in the books?"

                Yes, they often do. Not just illustrations of people in the act of procreation, but much more "advanced" topics as well including tips on technique and alternative lifestyles.

            2. Geoffrey W

              Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

              RE: "And you would like material showing sexual activity shown to children?"

              Great point! I heard of this book still in schools that depicts sex (often deviant), murder, patricide, matricide, genocide, and lots of other really wild stuff. I think they call it "The Book" or something. Bible perhaps? You need to do something about it.

              I have lots of examples to post if you'd like to see them.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                And you probably want the bible and anything christian banned from schools.

                1. Geoffrey W

                  Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                  Not at all. I'd like the Bible to be taught in the context of demonstrating how silly and violent most religious tracts are at their core. I can't decide where you are coming from. Just for clarity my original post was sarcasm/irony/satire/mockery. I was taking the logic that nasty things not be shown to kids and applying it to the Bible. The right are saying Ban Bad Books. Bible is a bad book - though I'm with Hunter S Thompson on this; the bible uses the most vivid and magnificent language and I enjoy it to some extent. It's not very logical, moral, or reasonable though, and I certainly don't believe it contains anything approaching reality. Historical document, yes, demonstrating how humans think. A lesson in logic perhaps, or damaging forms of morality.

                2. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

                  would probably be a good idea to keep brainwashing tools (bible, Quran, and all other religious fairy tales) from children until they are old enough to recognise what they are!

    4. desht

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      > We may be headed in the same direction, but at least we have the Constitution with the Bill of Rights, and the 1st and 2nd Amendments in particular, that at least give us a fighting chance.

      How's your book-burning drive going over there? Understand you've got quite the bonfire blazing.

    5. abend0c4 Silver badge

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      we have the Constitution with the Bill of Rights

      And a long tradition of slavery and then Apartheid and Japanese internment and medical experimentation and... and... against which they weren't a lot of use. I wouldn't put your faith in pieces of paper.

    6. Nematode

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      You been listening to Mump and Trusk, then...

    7. NXM Silver badge

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      So destroying someone's car because it's in the street you decided to riot on, and preventing them from earning a living is free speech is it?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

        Remember, in 2020 the media heralded the riots as 'the voice of the unheard' and we had politicians say that there should be more unrest on the streets.

        And not to forget this classic:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Defense_of_Looting

        1. jospanner

          Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

          Whataboutism also racist violence bad.

    8. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      at least we have the Constitution with the Bill of Rights

      That would be the constitution and bill of rights based on, and still containing text copied from, Magna Carta (1215) and the English bill of rights (1689)?

      Glad you finally caught up.

    9. Jonathon Green
      Flame

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      I have no idea why I’m even taking the trouble to make a rational response to this, but…

      I think you’ll find that Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr covered this stuff in the United States Supreme Court in 1919 (Schenck v, The United States), that this specific case was very specifically addressed in 1969 (Brandenburg v Ohio), and that Musk has very much been shouting fire in a crowded theatre and also lending his megaphone to other people to join in…

      1. Geoffrey W

        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

        I know why you're writing this; you're a rational human being and feel as if something needs to be said amidst all this nonsense. It's a natural response. I feel it too. You should try living in rural Tennessee (like wot I do). It might drive you mad. So many opportunities for rational responses which just cause befuddled expressions on local faces, occasionally worse, and rapid changes of topic.

    10. BasicReality

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      I say similar stuff and the mods around here block it. Wonder how long until they take you down. Bunch of damned cowards to can't handle truth.

    11. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      I'm so sorry you guys in (the formerly) Great Britain that have no right to free speech. You're now being punished for speech that some politician dislikes, whether it's true or not.

      The UK does, sort of. So there's the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which doesn't really grant any rights. Then the European Convention on Human Rights, which does, sort of. So Article 10-

      Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.

      Which is just as well, or the Egremont Crab Fair would no longer be able to hold the World Gurning Championship, if not for freedom of expression. But 'free speech' has always been qualified, but is now also under steady attack in a rush to ban wrongthink and bring on the Ministries of Truth and Love.

    12. Alan_P

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      Hi Q. Loved you in Star Trek TNG…

    13. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      In case anyone doesn't know, "NCSWIC -- WWG1WGA" is Qanon for "Baaaaa, Baaaaa, Baaaaa".

      Don't bother trying intellectual argument with this one, they lack the means to understand it.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

        Really? And there was me wondering why National Council of Statewide Interoperability Coordinators was relevant, other than possibly getting slightly back "on topic" with El Regs more usual fare :-)

    14. Androgynous Cow Herd

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      OMG

      BMY,YLOS

      FUANTHYRIO

      ...Q

      1. Geoffrey W

        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

        WOW! A Trump channeler! covfefe on steroids!

    15. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      "Your entire country is being overrun with immigrants"

      Sez the person posting from a country founded by immigrants.

      BTW, immigration is fine. Most of us are immigrants. Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Normans (Frenchified vikings), Romans (and various races that came with them, what you thought all the Romans came from Rome?). Even the Celts, Picts and others are immigrants considering that what is now the UK was under a big ice sheet a while ago and no one lived here. Taken to it's logical conclusion, all of humanity are immigrants who should just piss of "home" to Tanzania, more specifically Olduvai Gorge (apologies to the actual residents of the region, YOU are not immigrants :-))

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

        "Sez the person posting from a country founded by immigrants."

        Go back far enough and that statement applies everywhere. At some point, there's an identifiable culture and much of the population will share a lot of ancestry. While immigration sprinkles some seasoning on top of that, too much all at once can create issues.

    16. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: I Feel Sorry For GB

      "Just remember, God wins in the end. NCSWIC -- WWG1WGA"

      Oh great, a gun totin' redneck who believes "might is right". You might want to take in a bit more of the New Testament and read ALL of your "good book" instead of just the bits that appear to agree with your world view.

  22. Mrs Spartacus

    "Far right"

    .. Anything the far left doesn't like.

    1. The man with a spanner

      Re: "Far right"

      "Far right"

      .. Anything the far left doesn't like.

      Also works the otherway round . . Anything the far right doesn't like.

      Trite statements don't further the discussion othe than to illustrate the paupacy of your argument.

    2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: "Far right"

      .. Anything the far left doesn't like.

      It's also the natural process of people banging up against the previous walls holding them inside the political spectrum. The further people drift to the left, the further to the right their ideological opposites appear to be. See also-

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

      In the early 1990s Overton described a spectrum from "more free" to "less free" with regard to government intervention, oriented vertically on an axis, to avoid comparison with the left/right political spectrum.

      The combination of the two, plus a seemingly natural tendency for the far-left to be offended on behalf of just about anybody and everybody has just lead to the far-left becoming ever more fascist and authoritarian, and our civil societies becoming increasingly less civil as a result.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: "Far right"

        Clowns to the left of me

        Jokers to the right

        Here I am stuck in the middle with you, well, someone, but not you. You seem to have disappeared over the horizon. (apologies if I offended your possible flat earther tendencies, since that would mean you don't believe in horizons. I don't actually know if you are a flat earther. I'm just making that assumption as a fairly safe bet)

    3. Geoffrey W

      Re: "Far right"

      RE: "Anything the far left doesn't like"

      That's a bit axiomatic and self defining, isn't it? The left doesn't like the right? Right doesn't like the left? Those statements define what they represent,. It's a bit like saying Cats aren't keen on dogs, or snow doesn't like the sun. It's obvious and doesn't have any intrinsic meaning or wisdom to teach us.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: "Far right"

        "It's obvious and doesn't have any intrinsic meaning or wisdom to teach us."

        Not necessarily. The "left" don't have to dislike the "right". That's not intrinsic to the position. It means they may not agree on everything, but hey, who does? Even the USA manages some cross party agreements and legislation. The "hate" between "left" and "right" is manufactured by and whipped up by the extremists of both sides because they like division. It's easier to conquer when there's division. But as the UK "counter protests" and the volunteer clean-ups have demonstrated, the majority are neither far left not far right and the violent protesters are anything but a majority, or even a significant minority.

        1. Geoffrey W

          Re: "Far right"

          Agreed. I thought that almost immediately I posted, but was feeling too dispirited by then to go on... :-)

    4. cmdrklarg

      Re: "Far right"

      Just because they are to the left of you doesn't make them "far left".

      Everything is "far left" when you're on the extreme right.

    5. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Re: "Far right"

      Here's the thing; when you are an extremist at either end of any spectrum (be it left/right, authoritarian/libertarian, or whatever), everything else looks like far-opposite to you.

      This doesn't mean the far right and the far left don't exist, it just makes those terms pretty meaningless when spouted by people in either group.

      For everyone else, it is pretty obvious who is who. Here in Bristol, we had "far left" riots a few years back with violent disorder occurring after a peaceful "kill the bill" march. Again, this was a small number of people (a few hundred) throwing things at the police and setting fire to things. When people are rioting, their political motivation is absolutely moot. A rioter is a rioter, and there is no two-tier policing here; the rioters were tracked down, and they all got "the knock". Some of them are still serving their prison sentences several years later. A few nights ago, we had far right rioters, the difference of course, being that there was no peaceful mass protest that preceded it, just a group of a few hundred thugs trying to besiege a hotel and attacking the police. They will be dealt with in exactly the same way. Arrest, trial, and then imprisonment.

      As it turns out, there has been a gradual drift further to the right of UK politics over the last few decades. There are two things that feed into this: Firstly, from the conservative party trying to solve their perennial problem of their own far-right faction, which they did firstly by calling the brexit referendum, and then, when that went catastrophically wrong for David Cameron, electing leaders who were progressively more right-wing. Secondly, the Labour Party, after having elected a pretty left-of-centre (but by no means far-left) leader in Jeremy Corbyn, and suffering electoral defeat, themselves tacking back towards the centre ground, and having a pogrom of sorts against far-left members. This, in itself, is not necessarily a bad thing, although many consider that Kier Starmer has moved too far and has crossed the centre ground into being centre-right, rather than centre-left, particularly with some of the rhetoric towards immigration, and the party's current economic policy.

      So, where does this leave us? We currently have a centrist government, that those on the far right characterise as far-left, and those on the far-left characterise as right-wing. It seems to be an improvement on the musical-chars government of the Conservative party, who still haven't sorted out their extremism problem, and will quite possibly cease to exist if they try to move any further to the right, where the ground is occupied by Reform PLC. Meanwhile, this has also opened up some ground for a true far-left party to sit to the left of the Labour party. The fact that nobody seems to be itching to occupy this space probably tells you that the thinking on the left is a bit more measured and less reactionary than that on the right (which is borne out if you look at any research comparing average IQs and political leanings), and that nobody sees any benefit of actually attempting communism, because of its obvious flaws. I wish we could say the same about fascism, but it seems that the people willing to become the footsoldiers there are a bit dense, and those that would lead them are not shy of lying and manipulating people to achieve their goals.

      Above all, the important thing to remember, is that extremism, of any nature, is generally not a good thing, be it far right, (as in Nazi Germany), far left (as in Communist Russia before Stalinism took hold), authoritarian (as in north Korea, or China), or libertarian (I guess that would be some sort of anarchist state, I'm not sure it has been tried in recent history).

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "Far right"

        "Again, this was a small number of people"

        And this has been the case in the last week. However as they are people who hold differing opinions to you they are all grouped as one.

        Dismissal of the 'cut their throats' call by one of the political left would be labelled as stochastic terrorism if it had come from the right wing. You'd also be claiming that everyone clapping and cheering it on was complicit as no-one called out the hate speech. But again as things are (D)ifferent on the left we have a wonderful (D)ouble standard.

        1. Casca Silver badge

          Re: "Far right"

          You should read up what () are for...

  23. DoctorPaul

    followed by counter-protests, some peaceful and some not.

    Sorry Reg but that's up there with "there are good people on both sides" and really pisses me off.

    Are you deliberately implying that as many counter-protests were violent as were not? I have seen NO reports at all of violence from counter-protesters, much more things like drinkers coming out of a boozer to hug passing Muslim protesters. Eight fascists in Brighton were met by over a thousand counter-protesters, no violence ensued and they fucked off back to wherever they came from.

    The Reg's journalistic standards seem to have fallen off a cliff since you went left-pondian. That said, this is the first time that you have really disappointed me.

    1. Catkin Silver badge

      Re: followed by counter-protests, some peaceful and some not.

      I presume they're referring to what happened in the Bordesley Green area of Birmingham, including the attack on reporter Becky Johnson. The far right lot were sadly quite cunning in spreading rumours of a protest and leaving a lot of angry counter protesters with nowhere to direct their anger.

      I don't think anyone is suggesting equal proportions of violence and non-violence.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: followed by counter-protests, some peaceful and some not.

        I presume they're referring to what happened in the Bordesley Green area of Birmingham, including the attack on reporter Becky Johnson. The far right lot were sadly quite cunning in spreading rumours of a protest and leaving a lot of angry counter protesters with nowhere to direct their anger.

        Not sure that was cunning or just a case that 'social' media isn't as much an influencer or factor as the media believes it to be. So apparently there were calls (on Telegram, not X) for around 100 protests, but as in Birmingham, nobody showed up. Or in the case of Birmingham, counter-protestors did and then simple crowd psychology kicked in and the counter protestors kicked off. Including almost kicking a bloke outside a pub to death. Apparently they suffered a torn liver as a result, so expect charges for GBH or attempted murder to follow.

        Or not. But then if they don't, that reinforces the protestors perception that there's a 2-tier justice system and the protests will likely continue.. Which is a tough challenge for the police and any government to try and resolve.

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: followed by counter-protests, some peaceful and some not.

        "quite cunning in spreading rumours of a protest and leaving a lot of angry counter protesters with nowhere to direct their anger."

        If you want to eliminate the other side, enticing them to participate in a counter protest might be a good way to do it. The bigger and more heated the mob, the greater the likelihood that something will be touched off or the number of people used as cover by a few to help themselves to the inventory of a few shops in the area. Police come in, arrest loads of people and let the magistrates sort them out after they've spent a few days in lock up. Anybody with a job might find that detrimental to continued employment.

    2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Re: followed by counter-protests, some peaceful and some not.

      But, but but, there were two teenagers on scooters beign scrotes in Birmingham who happened to be Muslims. It's a civil war I tell you! **wails in gammon**

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    El Reg's journalistic standards remain quite high but the forums have descended into a cess pit.

    I am already reconsidering whether it's worth the bother posting here again. We already have lunatic echo chambers in the form of GBeebies; Fox News, Xitter. I didn't come here to listen to yet another one, and I certainly do not need to defend my arguments from the rabid idiots.

    Oh, the irony of the protest enablers in calling normal people sheep for not joining in the riots. I will also add that it's largely the same idiots of the the anti-vaxx conspiracy variety that are doing the shitposting into echo chambers.

    Protest is what happened in response to the Iraq war. Riots are what happened when former EDL ringleaders (and pet MPs) con their useful idiots into getting arrested to nominally further their agenda.

    Consider carefully which side you're on, because you are not only a political opponent, but Britain's political enemy based where you land with that choice. And that is a very dangerous state of affairs for a society to descend into. It has been some centuries since England had a civil war, and one of those sides is very definitely spoiling for another one.

    1. Hubert Cumberdale Silver badge

      Be reassured that a post formerly residing above this one and written by one such dumbass was deleted quite rapidly this morning. There have always been a fair share of trumpist gun nuts on here, along with cryptoracists and just plain idiots, but I personally feel that they usually get reassuringly downvoted to hell and, where necessary, have any of their posts that are actually offensive or dangerous deleted.

    2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Riots are what happened when former EDL ringleaders (and pet MPs) con their useful idiots into getting arrested to nominally further their agenda.

      Be careful to examine all sides to this argument. I broadly agree, but as an example conning useful idiots into getting arrested is exactly what Extinction Rebellion, Just Stop Oil did and do. In their case, that agenda is to force social & goverment changes via direct action under a pretext of preventing 'Global Warming'. This is nothing new with protest groups routinely being used to conduct political or economic warfare, either overtly, or sometimes covertly after being infiltrated by agent provocateurs.

      It has been some centuries since England had a civil war, and one of those sides is very definitely spoiling for another one.

      But which side? There are many, so the protestors, counter protestors, or perhaps just globalists and using both protest groups to force their own social change, and increasingly authoritarian policies. See Starmer (an arch-globalist) calling for a crackdown on protestors, jailing them, charging them with terrorist offences, imposing wider facial recognition, imposing travel restrictions, cracking down on online activies.. Some of which will inevitably result in Labour again trying to introduce ID Cards into the UK. Want to buy a train ticket? Present your ID Card. This is necessary to prevent naughty people who've been banned from travelling. And of course to try and use facial recognition, you need faces to match against, which would then become possible, if everyone was enrolled in the ID Database.

      But Starmer's also walking himself into a 2-tier trap. Sure, charge protestors with terrorist offences if you want. But then you'd have to charge all protestors committing similar offences the same way, pretty much regardless of what they're protesting about. If not, well, agitators will just use this as more 'evidence' of a 2-tier justice system.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        The sentencing for the Just Stop oil types on the M25 has so far proven a lot more vicious than that of this week's rioters.

        JSO were guilty of disruption, but not assault/GBH/attempted murder of both police and the general public. BLM are more the level of tis weeks rioters, and have been treated comparably.

        So yes, there IS a two tier system and it's not acting proportionally to the offences commited.

        Protest is fine, good thing in fact. Criminality isn't.

        In any of the above cases, the ringleaders continue to be teflon coated and the mere grunts take the fall. This needs to be reversed urgently.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          In any of the above cases, the ringleaders continue to be teflon coated and the mere grunts take the fall. This needs to be reversed urgently.

          Well, Hallam is at least in jail now. Robinson isn't, yet, but probably should be. And for both, there's also the good'ol Proceeds of Crime Act and asset forfeiture that could be applied.

      2. Geoffrey W

        RE: "conning useful idiots into getting arrested is exactly what Extinction Rebellion, Just Stop Oil did and do"

        Just stop oil, et al, organisers tend to put themselves on the front line too and do get arrested. Tommy Robinson (copyrighted Man of the People with a cheeky chappie name) runs abroad and takes refuge with those pesky furriners and conducts from that safe space. Total respect!

      3. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Show me on the doll where the "Just Stop Oil Riot" touched you.

        Agree with their methods, or otherwise (as it happens I think glueing yourself to a road is deeply counterproductive), this false equivalence between (mostly) peaceful protest, and rioting is both false and tiresome. We all know you have a long history of trolling here with right-wing talking points, but you'll really have to try harder than this obvious disinformation.

        So, I'll spell this out clearly:

        Legitimate protest involves some element of disruption and inconvenience, but is non-violent. If the protesters are smart, they'll disrupt the people who have some possibility of effecting the change they want, and they'll do it in a way which garners public support. Just Stop Oil have pretty much spectacularly failed in this regard, and instead, have inconvenienced the general public instead. As a result, they have only managed to be counter-productive to their cause, which, on the whole, is actually a valid protest. A small number has supposedly crossed a line, and been imprisoned for it. I believe they were imprisoned for having a Zoom call, and not for rioting.

        Rioting, on the other hand, is characterised by violent disorder, and is clearly distinct from legitimate protest.

        Anyone trying to conflate the two is being deeply disingenuous, and, if not careful, could themselves be crossing the line into incitement, which is a criminal offence, and can carry the same penalties as the rioting it incites.

        Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is going to fall foul of this when he returns to the UK and is immediately arrested. He was going to be arrested anyway, by the way, because he fled the country when on bail and missed a court appearance for a contempt of court hearing, and thus has a warrant out for his arrest. I'd be very cautious about parroting some of the things he has been saying, such as the "two-tier policing" lie, especially if there is a prospect that repeating those inciteful lies reaches a wide audience. It’s probably best not to keep virtual company with a man with a string of convictions behind his name, as well, including football violence and mortgage fraud.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          "the protesters are smart"

          Ahh, now here is the problem. JSO etc. are not smart.

          Attacking some random person having a meal will not have any effect other than making them hate you.

          Burning down a block of social housing units just makes people leave.

          Burning down a used car lot or looting Walmart makes the businesses leave.

          Blocking the M25 again has zero effect on the people who could actually make a difference.

          Trying to smash the glass covering the Magna Carta or gluing yourself to a painting... the same.

          These protesters specifically target people who can't retaliate.

          1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

            I won't argue; some of their methods are downright moronic. I suppose their argument would be that people are talking about them, and thus they are raising awareness. Where this falls down, is that they need to not only raise awareness, but garner public support.

            Rioting, however, is a completely different kind of stupid.

            One type of stupid is a kind that does damage to yourself.

            The other kind is one that hurts other people, and yourself, when you get "the knock". Anyone who thinks they can attack the police and not get a 4am call from the Plod a few days later is taking a very big chance, and they'd probably have better chances if they bought a lottery ticket.

        2. MachDiamond Silver badge

          "Legitimate protest involves some element of disruption and inconvenience, but is non-violent. If the protesters are smart, they'll disrupt the people who have some possibility of effecting the change they want, and they'll do it in a way which garners public support. Just Stop Oil have pretty much spectacularly failed in this regard, and instead, have inconvenienced the general public instead. As a result, they have only managed to be counter-productive to their cause, which, on the whole, is actually a valid protest. A small number has supposedly crossed a line, and been imprisoned for it. I believe they were imprisoned for having a Zoom call, and not for rioting."

          I don't thing that the premise of people in the streets creating concern within the ruling class holds much water anymore. This is couple with these acts increasing in disruption to make sure the few remaining news outlets with in-house photo/video production will rush to get coverage. While I may not be in the tailback of a motorway that's been shut down due to protesters gluing themselves the road, there's a possibility that there's a truck loaded with something I've ordered or is on the way to my local grocery that will be delayed. Somebody I know might die due to emergency services being hampered. The other big issue is Muck-Stirrers use mass protests as cover for crimes. They either foment something at the epicenter or rely on the greatly reduced police force all being sent to the protest to commit crimes elsewhere since there won't be any officers able to be dispatched.

          Don't like oil? Fine. Don't buy anything that uses oil in its manufacture and walk or ride an animal if you need to get anywhere. Good luck with that, but if you could get enough people to do the same, you'd have something. The downside is that your computer is made with lots of plastics and plastic is made from oil so organizing online and publishing your manifesto will be problematic. Much of the food in stores has ingredients derived from oil (see: Twinkie Deconstructed and Pandora's Lunchbox).

          There are shops, manufacturers and service providers I don't buy from as a form of protest. I'm voting with my wallet. To stand in front of their store with a sign isn't going to make a difference to the customers who do business with those firms. All I would do is paint a big red target on my back (I don't shop there either).

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
            Joke

            "Don't buy anything that uses oil in its manufacture and walk or ride an animal if you need to get anywhere. Good luck with that, but if you could get enough people to do the same, you'd have something."

            All the streets a foot deep in horse shit? :-)

            1. MachDiamond Silver badge

              "All the streets a foot deep in horse shit? :-)"

              Of course not, the political party that would push for that sort of thing would point out how many jobs would be created through needing to have armies of people in the streets with a broom, shovel and cart.

      4. MachDiamond Silver badge

        "And of course to try and use facial recognition, you need faces to match against, which would then become possible, if everyone was enrolled in the ID Database."

        and didn't have an religious exemption that allowed them to keep their faces covered. I'd find that bothersome and it doesn't apply to blokes, but wearing a kilt is no problem so flowing middle-eastern inspired clothing is no problem if I means I'll not be tracked and have a chance of being woken at the crack of dawn to be taken downtown to help with some enquiries as I was identified as being at a place at a certain time.

  25. MSArm

    Malaysia has the right idea

    Time to start blocking anti-social media: https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/30/malaysia_internet_killswitch/?td=keepreading

  26. Winkypop Silver badge

    The bots have found el reg

    Like Twitter, this will only drive away the sane and the normal.

  27. herman Silver badge

    He has a point which people like to ignore

    The GARM thing is market collusion between companies and that is illegal in every country I lived in.

    The civil war comment is obvious hyperbole, but the whole disharmony problem in the UK (and elsewhere) was made by successive governments importing millions of uneducated people and ignoring the opposition of the citizens.

    1. herman Silver badge

      Re: He has a point which people like to ignore

      All the thumbs down are interesting. You should read Section 1 of the US Sherman Act. Every country I ever lived in has something similar.

      https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/blog/antitrust-law-basics-section-1-of-the-sherman-act/#:~:text=The%20Sherman%20Act%20contains%20two,is%20declared%20to%20be%20illegal.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: He has a point which people like to ignore

        All the thumbs down are interesting. You should read Section 1 of the US Sherman Act. Every country I ever lived in has something similar.

        Don't let facts get in the way of a bunch of people who can only express their opinions with their thumbs. It's rather sad on an IT site that generally requires reading and understanding, that most of the comments are just insults, or uninformed speculaton from people who haven't event attempted to read, or understand what the argument(s) are about.

        1. Casca Silver badge

          Re: He has a point which people like to ignore

          And most of them comes from you

      2. herman Silver badge

        Re: He has a point which people like to ignore

        Success - GARM has been shut down:

        https://www.dailywire.com/news/leftist-censorship-cartel-garm-disbands-following-musk-lawsuit-ben-shapiro-testimony#

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: He has a point which people like to ignore

          Success - GARM has been shut down:

          I'm sure there's an entirely innocent explanation for this happening just after X chucked a large sueball in their direction.

          1. herman Silver badge

            Re: He has a point which people like to ignore

            What? No thumb downs yet?

            1. herman Silver badge

              Re: He has a point which people like to ignore

              Two thumbs down! :)

          2. Dan 55 Silver badge

            Re: He has a point which people like to ignore

            It doesn't matter, advertisers still aren't going to advertise in a Nazi bar.

        2. MachDiamond Silver badge

          Re: He has a point which people like to ignore

          "Success - GARM has been shut down:"

          And next week there won't be an "entirely new" trade association to take its place?

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: He has a point which people like to ignore

            And next week there won't be an "entirely new" trade association to take its place?

            Probably. IANAL, so don't know what the implications would be when an entity like GARM dissolves to try and avoid litigation. The parent site has some amusing language though-

            https://www.wfanet.org/disclaimer

            It is obviously the policy of the WFA that it will not be used by any company to further any anti-competitive or collusive conduct, or to engage in other activities that could violate any antitrust or competition law, regulation, rule or directives of any country or otherwise impair full and fair competition. The WFA carries out regular checks to make sure that this policy is being strictly adhered to.

            The X sueball may test how well the WFA complied with that policy. WFA is headquartered in Brussels though, and doesn't mention how it's incorporated, so it might be WFA, doing business as GARM and they'll still have to answer X's lawsuit. Plus I think some other state AGs have started their own anti-trust investigations and may litigate, as has Congress who could refer matters to the DoJ or maybe FTC. But WFA's disclaimer shows they're aware of the risks of collusive behaviour and impairing full and fair competition.

            But you're right that there are a shedload of similar entities, which is often the point of litigation. If X wins this case, it may then go after those entities if it can show they're also behaving the same way and organising boycotts or other violations of anti-trust law. Plus there's also a slew of misinformation outfits, or other 'social' media outfits being looked at for potentially questionable behaviours. Interestingly, Richard Dawkins, inventor of the meme just got deleted from Facebook, so whether entities like that should still be given Safe Harbor, if they are acting politically.

  28. Ochib

    And he keeps digging a hole for himself

    Elon Musk quote tweeting the co-leader of Britain First, who is sharing a fake Telegraph headline. Seen by almost 1 million people in 15 minutes.

    https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2024/08/08/elon-musk-deletes-post-spreading-fake-news-about-uk-detainment-camps/

    1. Geoffrey W

      Re: And he keeps digging a hole for himself

      He's finally found a use for his tunnel digging device (whatever it was called Boring company?). He wants to know if that world inside the hollow earth actually exists, and if the deep state have been lying to us; Deep State is Literally a deep state...deep in the earth. So dig...dig...dig...down he goes! He's gonna get em once and for all!

  29. sketharaman

    Bunch of clowns

    X fka Twitter is a private sector company owned by Elon Musk. Any sensible person would realize this and quit Xitter if they don't like it. Only a bunch of commies will expect the owner of a private company to resign. These clowns are the ones who should resign if they're not able to ban Xitter and are still using it instead of moving to another platform.

  30. MONK_DUCK

    Musk only has one ability, to make hype, he is trashing his companies. True he is very good at making little to nothing grow but when reality come he mucks it up. He grew Tesla and now it's massively overvalued with mediocre product line coming up. He arranged to buy Twitter and wrecked its revenue.

    They really need to find a way to remove him from the board of Tesla and X, he's wrecking them both and wiping out shareholder value.

    1. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      "They really need to find a way to remove him from the board of Tesla and X, he's wrecking them both and wiping out shareholder value."

      I recommended that SpaceX board stick him on a one man colonization mission to either Mars or Venus, with a suggestion of Venus as a first option. Alas, the board seems content to watch money go out the window.

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        "I recommended that SpaceX board stick him on a one man colonization mission to either Mars or Venus, with a suggestion of Venus as a first option. Alas, the board seems content to watch money go out the window."

        Despite not making further investments in the company since inception, Elon has around 42% of SpaceX stock and an even higher voting control over the company. The BoD is only there to be on call in case the box with the rubber stamp needs to be fetched.

  31. Someone Else Silver badge

    What next?

    What's this? The Chamber of Progress calling to muzzle (or at least, moderate -- a word not heard much in their parts) the MAGAt Mouthpiece?? What's next...lions lying down with lambs? Democrats and Republicans agreeing on...well, anything??

    It is to ponder...

  32. RossX

    Elon is a genius and he's making billions with pure cr*p

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      "Elon is a genius and he's making billions with pure cr*p"

      The *promise* of pure cr*p.

      FTFY

  33. Richtea

    Gullible, misinformed, or just plain thick?

    I was under the impression that techies were smarter than the average bear - you know, logical, creative, open-minded. This comments thread blows that idealistic view of the world out of the water.

    My thanks go to all those that have bothered to downvote the obvious dross being spewed out here.

    You sentient, thoughtful people out there - good on you.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Gullible, misinformed, or just plain thick?

      There seems to be a few one-post wonders here, perhaps they're aware they don't want to sully their handle with views they know are embarrassing, at the very least.

      1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: Gullible, misinformed, or just plain thick?

        It's a very obvious far-right troll farm. They're everywhere on social media at the moment, but oddly enough, far more vocal about "their" views than the population at large. This is demonstrated amply by the fact that the idiot rioters in the UK were small groups of violent knobheads, and as soon as peaceful* counter-protesters turned up in their thousands, they mysteriously disappeared. Most people, quite rightly, don't want to go round rioting, looting, throwing bits of torn-up gravestone at the police, and committing acts of arson.

        Obvious throwaway accounts are obvious, as are the regular right-wing trolls here on El Reg.

        *Yes, I know, some counter-protesters are violent knobheads too, but the difference here is one or two in a thousand vs an entire group of rioters. Anyone equivocating peaceful protest with violent disorder is also a knobhead. Before anyone comes along with "but the left blah blah blah", far left rioters go to prison too, like the idiot "kill the bill" rioters in Bristol a few years back. There is no two-tier policing, and the sentencing for violent disorder is the same whatever your political beliefs.

  34. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I thought so

    I guess the Reg is still a haven for the mastodon crowd of opinionated adolescents

    Enjoy your onanism, kids.

    Elon loves you, and Twitter has never been so busy.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I thought so

      What the FREEZE PEACH lovers fail to understand is that unrestricted speech is not free (equitable) speech because it silences the oppressed and only supports the speech of the privileged.

      It's like having no rules on the road, without rules set by a group of appropriately qualified, diverse people (rather than an apartheid billionaire), everyone else has to stay home while the dangerous drivers run around. To have truly free, equitable speech, we need censorship.

      The litmus test should be, if you wouldn't say it while tied to a chair in a crowd of diverse, armed people, you probably shouldn't say it at all.

  35. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Autopilot

    Just like when his cars are on Autopilot, when Musk is on "Autopilot", inevitably, it results in a veritable car crash

  36. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I’m just glad I’m getting old

    The modern world is pretty much a giant piece of poop.

    It seems cheap access to technology has exposed all those otherwise silent idiots with their child-like bigotry and racism.

    They were probably always present, but were held to general silence in the past.

    Oh for the days before the Internet, back when people actually knew each other and talked over back fences, etc.

    Personally, I’d choose to go back to the 60’s.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

      Oh for the days before the Internet, back when people actually knew each other and talked over back fences, etc

      Ironically, I don't know who you are because you're just an anonymous voice making noises from behind a virtual fence. You 'know' who I am because I've been here since 2008 and it's almost my account's birthday. I've also made over 6,000 posts in that time, and in total, my posts have been upvoted 27376 times and downvoted 28997 times. I know I've developed a fan club who'll downvote every post I make, regardless of what I post. But that's the Internet for you.

      You.. are a mystery. I know that some registered posters I respect more than others. I've developed that respect based on what they say, not how people use their thumbs. Anonymongs obviously make that a lot harder, and often a lot harder to try and follow conversations. If you plan to hang out here a while, why not put a (pseudo)name to your words? It's easy enough to get an email address and register an account, so why not do this?

      1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

        I'd question those numbers, to be fair. You have many pages of comments against your user ID, and I only counted up the up/down votes on the first page, but those came to 60 for, and 1058 against. I reckon you've probably dropped a digit from that "downvoted" tally, since you have 123 pages of comments against your name, or completely made up those figures. The thing is, others can't see your totals, and nobody in their right mind is going to go through 124 pages of comments adding up that tally, so we can only take your word for it. The thing is, your word appears to be pretty untrustworthy.

        As it happens, I have also been commenting here since 2008 (although I've changed my handle since then, so you won't see my whole post history). Out of 8,081 posts, I have had mine up-voted 50355 times and downvoted 5673 times. Given that some people are always going to disagree, and I sometimes like to amuse myself by baiting idiots, so I'm always going to get rage-downvoted, I think a roughly 9:1 ratio is probably a bit more like the sort of figure you should be aiming for. Instead, your ratio over the last three days (the first page of your posts) is more like 1:17 (actually worse than that, but I rounded mine to the nearest whole number, so that's only fair, actually if I rounded yours fairly, it'd be 1:18)

        So, what can we learn? Firstly, boasting about your posting history isn't the flex you think it is. Secondly, having a roughly equal number of up/down votes isn't some sort of balance; you should aspire to be both right in what you say, and to convince others through the power of reasoned argument. Some people will always disagree, and some will always down-vote you, especially if they simply don't like you. That, however, isn't half of all people. It's probably close to one person in ten, if that.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

          I'd question those numbers, to be fair... The thing is, your word appears to be pretty untrustworthy.

          That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. However much I may or may not disagree with it at times :p

          But this is my current count-

          In total, your posts have been upvoted 27417 times and downvoted 29333 times.

          If you want, and know an easy to use image dump site, I'd happily show a screeshot.. But why the doubt? Other than perhaps a bit of bias, ie you assume I'm untrustworthy for some reason.

          Instead, your ratio over the last three days (the first page of your posts) is more like 1:17 (actually worse than that, but I rounded mine to the nearest whole number, so that's only fair, actually if I rounded yours fairly, it'd be 1:18)

          Yep. By my guesstimate, I've managed to pick up around a thousand angry thumbs, which I find quite impressive. Especially as I got a lot for simply posting X's actual filing against GARM and quoting some extracts from it. So 'facts' rather than opinions. This wasn't to bait idiots, yet the idiots seem to have responded in force with their thumbs.

          So, what can we learn? Firstly, boasting about your posting history isn't the flex you think it is

          It wasn't intended to. It was a response to the anonymong's comment about neighbors chatting over a fence. The Internet allows a degree of anonymity, which is steadily being eroded. El Reg allows anonymong posting, but there seems to have been an influx recently, which doesn't make conversations easy to follow. Or it gets (ab)used to trolll.

          .. you should aspire to be both right in what you say, and to convince others through the power of reasoned argument.

          Oh, I do, but some people just don't seem to listen to reason. Or can't be convinced because people don't seem able to reason, just respond with their thumbs. Or more interestingly, just with insults. So I'm a nazi, racist, far-right Russian bot who apparently uses anonymong and sock-puppet accounts etc etc. All of which are false, some of which are de facto defamatory and hate speech, and most of which seem to come from people on the left.

          So I could argue that it simply demonstrates that people on the left are incapable of reason, hate-filled and have disturbingly fascist tendencies. I could of course be wrong with that opinion, but the numbers kind of speak for themselves. In support of my argument, I could also include the bile spewed against Musk or Trump, or any of the left's hate figures. You (or anyone) could argue against that opinion, which is how a civil debate should work.. But we're living in an increasingly uncivil society, as the current protests & counter protests demonstrate.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

            "So I could argue that it simply demonstrates that people on the left are incapable of reason, hate-filled and have disturbingly fascist tendencies"

            Spot on!

            "the bile spewed against Musk or Trump"

            I've commented before on the visceral hatred that spews from the left against people they don't like while they tout the line that they are the side of inclusion and tolerance.

            We've seen people physically attacked for not bowing to the BLM mob, people assaulted for wearing a MAGA hat, Jewish people and businesses attacked, graffiti, property damage, businesses and buildings burnt down, the black clad panty-fa larpers 'protesting' at 3am in residential neighbourhoods, roads blocked and cars vandalised, burning flags and signs on someone's front lawn, running people over as they had a Trump t-shirt or sign, the list is almost endless. The absolute unhinged hatred, the wide eyes, the frothing mouth, the utterly irrational screaming.. this is a deep down problem and it is very wide spread and so heavily biased to one ideology.

            Yes there is some of this from the political right but the evidence is hugely vastly overwhelmingly pointing to a problem on the left. I've not seen a news story of someone being run over in their front yard for having a Biden or Harris sign. Only in the last 2 weeks have we finally seen footage of the 'far right' torching dumpsters and overturning cars. After witnessing months of such activities by the far left doing this in 2014, 2016, 2020 and just pretty much all the time in Portland (are they going to have to change their 'keep Portland weird' motto now?). If this was really a long standing issue from the right why isn't it in the news? Why isn't there a left wing version of Libs of TikTok showing the other side? I know people will claim media bias and all that but the reality is the media has simped for the Democrats for decades and it became so obvious in the last 6 months as they propped up a very obviously declining Biden and promoted conspiracy theories about Trump not being shot.

            A youtoober did a video where he wore a Trump shirt to a Biden rally (this was a few months back) and was verbally abused, people got up in his face, they tried to steal his belongings and an old guy even threw a bottle of water at him. He wore a Biden shirt to a Trump rally and the people welcomed him and tried to convince him to change his views.

            The predominantly white female liberals have appointed themselves as the gatekeepers of 'good' and anointed themselves as the only ones who can save the oppressed. They don't actually do much other than white knighting, online virtue signalling and complaining about their mental health.

            To quote a facebook post from a woman in CA who took a dislike to an old guy sitting in a starbucks wearing a MAGA hat:

            "I yelled at him. Called the entire Starbucks to order and yelled at him more"

            "I left after yelling at him some more."

            "When I walked back by after picking up my lunch, he was still there. I went back in and yelled "

            "He got his stuff together to leave. I followed him to the register while he complained about me. Then chased him out of Starbucks yelling at him to get the fuck out of my town and never come back."

            The guy this woman was harassing is Jewish. The woman was also co-chair of the local Democrat party group.

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

              I've commented before on the visceral hatred that spews from the left against people they don't like while they tout the line that they are the side of inclusion and tolerance.

              This one is curious, and sometimes people claim they're hating because of Karl Popper's Paradox of Tolerance. Which usually just means they haven't read or understood it, or realised that they're actually the intolerant ones. This is one of those aspects that shows up in my thumb count :p

          2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

            Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

            So here we have it, the Seymour Skinner "Am I wrong, no it's everybody else" meme made manifest.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

              Then prove me wrong. You have the worlds greatest resource of information at your fingertips yet you cannot provide the receipts to back up your claims.

          3. Casca Silver badge

            Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

            Calling everyone who thinks you are a knob end a leftist is not the argument you think it is.

            You never want a debate. You only want to push your version of the truth down the throat of everyone else and "win" the argument.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

              I dunno, you do exactly that but call them far right :)

              It is the left who want to push a version of the 'truth' down people's throats. But because the truth you seek doesn't actually exist in reality you have to fabricate it.

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

        "Anonymongs obviously make that a lot harder, and often a lot harder to try and follow conversations."

        They're easy to spot in the wild due to the callouses on their knuckles.

    2. Roj Blake Silver badge

      Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

      You mean back when boarding houses had signs in the window saying "no blacks, no Irish, no dogs," and people watched sitcoms like Love Thy Neighbour and Curry & Chips?

      1. Catkin Silver badge

        Re: I’m just glad I’m getting old

        "no blacks, no Irish, no dogs,"

        A terribly minor point and I'm not denying that racism existed in Britain prior to (and, indeed, after) but the earliest reference to this that I've ever been able to find is in Plays and Players, volume 25, page 44 from 1977. Those words, as far as I can determine, never appear together before then in Internet searchable literature. I believe it is something of a myth that's been Mandela effected into our collective memory.

  37. tiggity Silver badge

    There's probably some toxic stuff & lies on twitter / X*

    I would also guess there's probably decent content there too.

    No idea if Musk algorithms amplify certain content, but I would guess a lot of UK right wingers probably in their own echo chamber of mainly seeing messages from others who share their views as that's who they are likely to follow / interact with.

    As a UK resident it is worth commenting that much of the "press" pedals a right wing, racist agenda - no idea how influence of "old" media compares to .social media, but it will obviously have some effect.

    Arguably worse, many politicians and political parties do also, with various levels of subtle wording but the racist message comes over loud and clear. Not just Reform & Conservatives, plenty of racism (especially islamophobia) from Starmer Labour too (including Starmer himself e.g. his strong anti migrant messaging, offending Bangladeshis etc.).

    Reform, Conservative and Labour now all use various degrees of anti migrant right wing rhetoric (long gone are the days of Labour being vaguely socialist, a long ongoing process to disenfranchise / purge anyone vaguely left has long been in place) - note there are other parties in UK too, not all options are right wing, however it seems a lot of the UK public did not seem particularly inspired by what was on offer from the "big 2" (FPTP in UK usually means either Lab or Con victory, other parties getting hardly any seats due to lack of PR) as recent UK election turnout was lowest in over 20 years

    * not going to investigate as not a social media fan

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Is the right wing in the room with you now?

      The Beeb is doing its level best to cover up for the failings of Labour and the story of the councillor who made death threats has already been dropped from the front page.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        He only said 'They are disgusting nasty fascists and we need to cut all their throats and get rid of them all.'. It wasn't a specific threat.

        1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

          It was deeply stupid, and an illegal incitement to violence, which is why he has also been arrested. This doesn't fit with the "two-tier policing" bullshit, though.

          Before someone jumps onto this "but the left" bandwagon, I'll also express the observation that there are idiots in all sections of society, but it is a false equivalence (and whataboutery) to equate one absolute fuckwit in one section of society with another section of society which is composed entirely of absolute fuckwits. One does not excuse the other, and the correct response is to tackle all fuckwits equally.

          1. MachDiamond Silver badge

            "and the correct response is to tackle all fuckwits equally."

            So maybe there IS a use for Elon's "not-a" flamethrower?

      2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        The failings of Labour being to immediately expel him from the party? Indeed, the Tories would have kept him in, until it appeared to be politically impossible to not temporarily suspend him, with the deepest regret for doing so.

        1. Roj Blake Silver badge

          And then quietly let him back in a few months later.

    2. Roj Blake Silver badge

      It's also worth mentioning that Labour received fewer votes in 2024 than in 2019.

  38. Tonywonderfire

    The REAL reason ...

    If only politicians, commentators and TV presenters would realise that the riots really didn't have that much to do with Southport - it was only the catalyst.

    It's the drip, drip, drip of attacks and threats to our people and children that have led to this. There's a clash of cultures here which isn't going to go away. Many have had enough. And most of us aren't Right, Far Right, or anything else, just normal.

    However much they may want us to, we haven't forgotten rape gangs, the London Tube bombings, Glasgow airport, Stephen Timms MP, Lee Rigby, Westminster Bridge, the Manchester Arena, London Bridge, Parsons Green, Fishmongers Hall, Streatham, Reading, David Amess MP and the little girl in the park ...

    We know the common denominator. How many have died?

    Elon is right.

    Tony

    1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: The REAL reason ...

      Are you going to rattle off all the crimes committed by White people? Wouldn't want you to be seen as biased or anything.

      C.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The REAL reason ...

      Posts by Tonywonderfire

      1 publicly visible post • joined 8 Aug 2024

      Which are you, ashamed racist regular or right-wing troll farm?

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: The REAL reason ...

        Which are you, ashamed racist regular or right-wing troll farm?

        I could ask you the same question, especially as you're using someone's account history to attack them. Why not create an account? It's quick, easy, and makes following conversations a whole lot easier.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The REAL reason ...

          > using someone's account history to attack them

          What history? They joined two days ago and- at the time of writing- have one visible comment, i.e. that one.

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: The REAL reason ...

            What history? They joined two days ago and- at the time of writing- have one visible comment, i.e. that one.

            And? I refer my learned, but anonymong friend to this-

            But posting anonymously has a cost as well. It makes it easier for people to say glib, trite or troll like statements knowing it won't be attributable to them.

            from El Reg's forum guides. You, for whatever reason chose to make an issue of that (registered) person's posting history. I could equally say much the same about you, ie-

            Which are you, ashamed leftist regular or left-wing troll farm?

            Again, why not register an account and put your (pseudo)name to your words, or are you ashamed to do that and just confirming what El Reg states?

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: The REAL reason ...

              I should have made clear that I'm not the same AC you were originally replying to above.

              That said, you can judge me in whatever point-scoring manner you like for the fact that I'm posting as AC because I'm not interested in getting personally involved with you more than I need to (nor wasting time creating a special one-off account for *your* conversational convenience).

              Just as I'll judge you accordingly as someone who clearly wants to pretend they're the one taking the high road while simultaneously trying to push "anonymong" (i.e. derivative of "mong" or "mongol", a dated and cheap playground-level insult) as a term for an AC. Despite it being obvious that no-one else around here is interested in using it.

              1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                Re: The REAL reason ...

                I should have made clear that I'm not the same AC you were originally replying to above.

                That said, you can judge me in whatever point-scoring manner you like for the fact that I'm posting as AC because I'm not interested in getting personally involved with you more than I need to (nor wasting time creating a special one-off account for *your* conversational convenience).

                Yet you made it clear that you were interested in participating and piling on to the registered poster's comment. What becomes unclear is when multiple anonymongs pile in because then it creates confusion. You were quite prepared to waste time insulting another poster, yet you aren't prepared to spend a few seconds registering an account for everyones conversational convenience. This is an IT site, we're mostly IT professionals, creating & managing multiple accounts really isn't that difficult. So why not do it? You can do it, can't you?

                (i.e. derivative of "mong" or "mongol", a dated and cheap playground-level insult)

                .. along with troll, racist, nazi, vatnik, khokhol etc etc. But it's becoming clear that you're mostly interested in just trolling rather than participating.

                1. This post has been deleted by its author

                2. Casca Silver badge

                  Re: The REAL reason ...

                  "But it's becoming clear that you're mostly interested in just trolling rather than participating."

                  Takes one to know one...

  39. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
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    Musk as a Bond villain - cartoon

    Musk as a Bond villain, by Chris Riddell over at The Guardian...

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/aug/10/chris-riddell-on-elon-musk-as-a-bond-villain-cartoon

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