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AMD's next generation of desktop CPUs launch from tomorrow, and they'll feature lower prices than the last series. Its Ryzen 7 9700X and the Ryzen 5 9600X parts are on sale from August 8, at $359 and $279 respectively, and the higher-end Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X are slated for August 15, priced $649 and $499. The new …

  1. IGotOut Silver badge

    There are some substantial improvements.

    It's not obvious from the article, but the Zen 5 has some quite large improvements.

    Dual Branch prediction

    More dispatch and execution engines giving it more bang per clock cycle

    Lower latency

    Doubling of bandwidth on L1 and L2 cache

    AVX-512 support

    1. Scotthva5

      Re: There are some substantial improvements.

      True but to take advantage of these improvements you are forced to override the stock power limits. Every benchmark I've seen shows very little improvement over the previous 7000 series using the stock power profiles, topping out at 4-7% in production benchmarks. Raising the power limit helps but not dramatically enough to upgrade over the existing 7000 series, at least for me. Power efficiency is important but it feels like AMD is standing still performance wise. However it is very early in the life cycle so maybe additional gains are forthcoming.

      1. Steven Raith

        Re: There are some substantial improvements.

        Eh, kinda sorta - remember, at the stock power profiles it's evening out or better than it's predecessor - which was running in a higher power class (7700X = 105W TDP as I recall vs 9700X = 65w TDP)

        Phoronix benchmarks show solid improvements across the board at noticably lower power loads for real world tasks that the likes of us might do (Transcode, compile, etc) and DerBaur did a very quick and dirty PBO, and ended up using 114% of the power of a 7700X, but with 120% performance in Cinebench - which isn't really representative of anything, but is a good indicator of the efficiency/IPC gains from that fancy pants branch predictor and all that.

        It's also similar to the gains Phoronix shows on the 9600X which is less power constrained by nature of having to feed fewer cores, and so isn't using 'more' power than the 7600X - less, in fact.

        The PBO Doesn't make much difference in games or owt (mostly a couple of heavy threads, and a few idly doing NPC/physics/etc stuff rather than spreading the load out at full chat), but then I'm not too fussed about that. People who want that will likely be waiting for the 9800X3D I expect.

        I do wonder if they'd have been better releasing this as a 9700 at 65w, and then having a separate 9700X at 105w with the leash loosened a bit.

        Oh well, the 12 and 16 core chips should be less impacted by power restraints.

        People have been pissing and moaning about the Intel chips chewing through huge amounts of power (And that's coming back to bite Intel, rather badly it seems) and praised the Zen4 parts for their efficiency when power reduced, so you'd think the reception for these chips would be a bit warmer, but I guess you can't please everyone....

        Steven R

        1. Spazturtle Silver badge

          Re: There are some substantial improvements.

          I think they have picked the right spot on the curve to set as the default.

          Vs the 7000 series

          • 40% less power usage

          • 0 - 10% increase in gaming (very game dependant, most seem to be at the lower end)

          • 10 - 20% increase in non-AV512 productivity

          • 50% increase in AVX512 productivity

          Raising the power limits back up to the 7000 series level only gets you another 20% performance for nearly double the power draw.

    2. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Zen 5

      Yeah, don't worry – that's in the linked article about the new architecture that we've been over in detail, including the cache bandwidth and AVX. Folks can see it all there. We try not to repeat ourselves over and over as we're nobody's PR dept.

      C.

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