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Microsoft has tried to convince investors that AI is paying off, but they appear unimpressed by news of customer adoption and revenue revealed Tuesday in the software giant's Q4 and full-year results for 2024. For the full year, Microsoft hauled in $245.1 billion and racked up $88 billion in net income – up 16 and 22 percent …

  1. TReko Silver badge

    A New World

    It's astounding to me that cloud now brings in 4x what Windows does ($105B vs $23B).

    Xbox at $22B brings in almost as much as Windows.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: A New World

      The Windows OS has sort of been a loss-leader for a while now. It's the necessary evil to get people to buy the profitable stuff and services, which, as you can see, they are doing in droves.

      1. navarac Silver badge

        Re: A New World

        You can tell Windows is a loss-leader, just by the way they have fucked about with it since Windows 10 and especially in the last couple of years with the Advert and bloat laden Windows 11. It is run by interns and morons. Glad I dumped Microsoft in 2020.

        1. Peter-Waterman1

          Re: A New World

          Windows market share (server) has been declining year on year for a while now, with the primary reason that companies have been slowly moving to containers, and serverless, both of which run on Linux. I mean, it is technically possible to run Windows containers, but I think it's well-established that Linux is the way to go.

          1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

            Re: A New World

            Microsoft cares less and less about servers and is even now starting to retire server products in favour of its own services: subscriptions promised unlimited cashflow and fees can adjusted at any time. No need to produce, document and distribute patches…

            1. Marty McFly Silver badge
              Gimp

              Re: A New World

              Yup, got that right. Windows Server is dying. Everyone is migrating to MacOS Server, for sure. Oh, errr...wait. Nevermind.

              I know, let's get rid of the Start Menu and put all the icons in the bottom center of the desktop screen. Name it Windows 11. That will be innovative! No one has done that before.... Oh, except MacOS.

              I'll toss a Fanboi icon on this post just because it seems that way. I am simply pointing out Microsoft isn't exactly leading the industry as the trendsetter.

        2. bud-weis-er

          Re: A New World

          "since Windows 10"? :D

          Since Windows 2000. One other one was alright though, think it was 7. I'm long off it. Mac and Linux for me.

          1. sammystag

            Re: A New World

            XP was also alright

            1. A. Coatsworth Silver badge
              Mushroom

              Re: A New World

              XP SP2 was all right

              The original XP launch was a dumpster fire of epic proportions

              1. bud-weis-er

                Re: A New World

                Hell yeah. First version was wtf??

  2. Moldskred

    Ah, numbers. Is there anything they can't show?

    "The GitHub Copilot has won 77,000 users in the two years since its debut, and CEO Satya Nadella noted the revenue it generates tops all of GitHub earnings at the time Microsoft acquired the code locker in 2018."

    I suspect the _expenses_ of GitHub Copilot _also_ tops all of GitHub's expenses at the time of acquiry, too. But I can see why she didn't want to focus on that side of the coin during an investors' call.

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  3. Blitheringeejit
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    Investors awaiting any payoff at all....

    I think many M$ investors are wondering how the dividend yield can remain firmly below 1% when the company is so profitable. Especially given that (in the UK at least) a savings account with a mutual can yield over 4.5%, and renewable energy funds over 7%.

    OK, the price of M$ shares has more than tripled in the last 5 years - but is that trend likely to continue, if the execs keep on trousering all the much-trumpeted profits in personal bonuses?

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Investors awaiting any payoff at all....

      Until tax treatment stops favouring capital gains over income, investors will continue to push for higher share prices over dividends. After all, they'll say smugly, look how much we made out of GE and Boeing before we got out.

  4. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    He answered by offering a scenario in which...

    He answered by offering a scenario in which a sales person receives an email from a customer – at which point Copilot steps in, detects that the mail relates to an order, links the mail to a CRM record, then writes and sends an email that references info from the CRM.

    This is nothing new. The problem with Copilot is that it might feasibly misinterpret an order and deliver ten or more times what the customer was expecting. Exaggeration? One example is where I await the On-Call story where someone had mistakenly used the comma as a decimal point in Excel. And woe betide anyone hitting the E key while entering a number (Yes, I'd like 12E3 widgets please).

    Ok this could happen without Copulate, but humans have a tendency to query things that don't sound right.

    Pre-pandemic I've written systems that have similar functionality using old-school programming techniques. Validation of stuff automatically processed from an incoming email was something I was particularly careful with.

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