back to article Philadelphia tree trimmers fail to nip FTC noncompete ban in the bud

The Federal Trade Commission's ban on noncompete agreements has been upheld after a second legal challenge, with a Philadelphia judge deciding that the FTC was well within its legal authority to prohibit such contract clauses. The case between the FTC and ATS Tree Services, a small company located in a Philly suburb, is the …

  1. Henry Wertz 1 Gold badge

    if I'm not being paid...

    If I'm not being paid by you, you no longer get to say what I do with my time. I'm not going to reveal any company secrets but you will not bar me from working if I don't have a severance package or something to compensate me for this.

    And a 12 person tree trimming business? Really? I wouldn't expect them to have a clause like this and especially not go to court over it.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: if I'm not being paid...

      I do wonder if they work in 4 separate team, y'know t'ree fellers per team?

      1. David 132 Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: if I'm not being paid...

        It dozen’t work like that.

      2. tiggity Silver badge

        Re: if I'm not being paid...

        This tree felling company name works nicely (if you take a bit of an Irish accent approach to tree pronunciation)

        http://www.twofellastreefellers.co.uk/

    2. rafff

      Re: if I'm not being paid...

      "And a 12 person tree trimming business? Really?"

      Probably someone with political clout and deep pockets is bankrolling this, and ATS are merely sock-puppets. This, as you say, is not the sort of case that a small company brings.

      1. DS999 Silver badge

        Re: if I'm not being paid...

        Yep clearly a stalking horse by Heritage Foundation types who want to hand big business the gift of noncompetes immune from federal court challenge.

      2. ecofeco Silver badge

        Re: if I'm not being paid...

        I'd bet good money it is.

      3. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: if I'm not being paid...

        Uh, yeah, it says so right in TFA: "attorney Josh Robbins of libertarian law group Pacific Legal Foundation and representative for ATS".

        PLF is running this one. ("Bankrolling" isn't quite accurate, as PLF apparently work pro bono.)

        PLF is kind of a mixed bag; they've fought some cases that probably many here would agree with. I don't particularly care for the label "libertarian" — PLF was founded in the 1970s and they're a classical liberal organization, in the political-science (i.e. correct) sense of "liberal". In Palazzo, for example, they convinced SCOTUS to rule that you can sue under the Takings clause even if the law authorizing the "taking" in question was passed before you acquired the property; that basically means you don't have to know every single applicable law before you buy. I think that was a good decision and worth fighting for. They've also defended homeowners against "home equity theft", which is a blatant money grab by local tax authorities, in a number of states.

        In this case my sympathies are with the FTC, but I wouldn't lump PLF in with the Heritage Foundation and that sort, either.

  2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    Josh Robbins of libertarian law group

    Maybe it's a "lost in translation" thing between American English and English, but surely a "libertarian" would be in favour of banning non-compete clauses, not be out there taking on cases trying to defend them. I'm confused. And so is my wife!

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Josh Robbins of libertarian law group

      Yet again "Yes Minister" comes to your aid. It's called "getting rid of the difficult bit in the title".

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: Josh Robbins of libertarian law group

      I've found that "libertarian" usually translates to "those regulations I like and no others". So they'll probably argue here that they don't want people to lose the right to choose whether to accept a non-compete contract, a choice that should come with a compensatory increase in wages. The argument doesn't make a lot of sense in context, but if you find someone and get them to answer, I can pretty much guarantee that's what you'll hear. If you find someone who says they're a libertarian, however, there's a good chance they'll completely disagree with these guys on what is fair and what should be done to make that happen. That's why I don't call myself a libertarian; there are too many people who are using the term who I disagree with and using it would only confuse everything.

    3. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
      Angel

      Re: Josh Robbins of libertarian law group

      Libertarians are fans of the free market (aka rich people) being able to self-determine without interference by Evil Big Government. They are not big fans of labor power.

      1. ecofeco Silver badge
        Pirate

        Re: Josh Robbins of libertarian law group

        Nor are they fans when the leopards, inevitably and without fail, eat their faces.

    4. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Josh Robbins of libertarian law group

      "Libertarian" was the wrong adjective here. See my post above about the PLF.

      In a non-compete clause employees agree (contractually) to encumber some of their rights in exchange for a job. In ruling non-competes illegal, the FTC essentially said those rights are inalienable — that is, employees cannot agree to encumber them. It's a classic liberal (in the correct, political-science sense) position that generally most individual rights are not inalienable and so can be contracted.

      So the PLF is taking a coherent liberal position here.

      I'd rather see the FTC win myself; I don't see any compelling reason to allow non-competes. But the PLF is not being ideologically inconsistent.

  3. Old Used Programmer

    Then there is California...

    The the best of my knowledge, in California, you can be required to sign a non-compete contract, but the company can't enforce that if you leave. So...it's functionally illegal. If that works in California, I can't see why it'd actually be an issue anywhere in the US.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Then there is California...

      "can't enforce" is tricky. The company can still sue you — anyone can file suit over anything — and if the court doesn't dismiss it immediately, you're looking at significant expense and stress. So even an "unenforceable" contract can in practice have a strong chilling effect.

  4. ecofeco Silver badge
    Pint

    Thank damn god

    I think I need a short lie down. This is rather surprising.

    I'll fetch my lie down now. ---------------------------------->>>

  5. IGotOut Silver badge

    Introspection required...

    If you're so worried about your team of twelve leaving if you don't make it really hard for them to quit, speaks more of you as a company being shit to work for, rather than dodgy employees.

  6. Christoph

    The problem is that the non-compete is not framed in an equitable way. If the company bans for a year an employee who leaves from working in that field, then naturally the company must equally be banned for a year from hiring a replacement for that employee.

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