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CachyOS is a performance-optimized rebuild of Arch Linux, with a simpler installer and dozens of desktops and options to tweak. Stable reliability, not so much. CachyOS is an Arch-based Linux distro which brings easier installation plus an almost bewildering array of performance optimizations. Like Arch in general, it's aimed …

  1. Irongut Silver badge

    I think the conclusion of this article should be that it is time you replaced that 13 year old laptop before it's old enough to buy its own pint at the pub.

    1. jfrankybe

      I registered just to big up this comment. I'm a Debian tragic but surely you can't shit on Arch and CachyOS whilst installing on this hardware? CachyOS from what I know is meant for bleeding edge hardware and software, pretty sure it offers v4x64 packages; probably not meant for v1x64.

    2. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      [Author here]

      > it is time you replaced that 13 year old laptop

      You tell me where I can buy one that's as good, has lots of ports and easily-expanded RAM, disk etc, with above all else an excellent full-sized keyboard that isn't flat, isn't chiclet style, doesn't have half-size Fn keys that default to pointless media controls, and I'll think about it.

      The reason I use the things is because every more modern device I have seen or tried is inferior.

      As I quoted here:

      https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/22/clacktop_modded_thinkpad_yoga/

      «

      I don't WANT my laptop to be the Thinnest Model Yet.

      I want a battery that will outlast the sun, a screen big enough to blind the person behind me, more USB slots than there are apple fanboys in the bay area, a fucking disc reader/writer.

      P.S. I will pay extra for it to be heavy enough to bludgeon someone to death.

      »

      I don't want a gamer's toy with technicolour lights that sounds like a fan heater. I don't want some all-plastic slab that weighs half a kilo and has 1mm of key travel.

      I do want to remove the battery when I fly. I want a superb keyboard because writing is what I do.

      And I absolutely do insist that it has 3 mouse buttons because I use the middle button hundreds of times per day.

      1. keithpeter Silver badge
        Windows

        Actual desktop?

        Perhaps an actual desktop PC with a smallish form factor but with the power, space and cooling for a reasonable graphics card would open up further testing territories?

        LEDs that flash not required :-) Nor a monitor the size of a plasma display.

      2. Helmic

        You installed an OS where the entire *premise* is that it about offering a performance boost for modern machines by dropping support for older hardware. The V3 and V4 repositories use newer instruction sets that are straight up absent from your testbed, which is why it did not work. Your laptop works on other distros because they do not include these newer instruction sets when compilng packages, which means they cannot take advantage of the improved performance but can work on most x86-64 CPU's.

        It's fair to point out that the OS not supporting old hardware is a caveat, and it'd be fair to criticize it for not doing a simple check to tell you that hey, your hardware is not actually supported by CachyOS and to instead install Endeavor. But it's a distro specialized for reasonably recent hardware, it does not need universal compatibility because users can simply use Endeavor to get virtually the same thing.

        Your experience is almost totally unique to that of a tech reviewer, installing and reviewing something you don't actually want to use while ambivalent towards its actual use case and then feeling unsatisfied, like buying a hammer and complaining at how awful it is at fastening screws in a laptop. You didn't even try to use it for its intended purpose, and any insistence that you don't *want* to buy a new laptop is a complete non-sequitor. Yeah, sure, nothing is wrong with your hammer, but you're still gonna need to go borrow someone's screwdriver to do this job correctly.

        I'm not saying it's owed a positive revierw or that it did nothing wrong, clearly there could have been some safety checks to warn you of trouble because I'm sure there's people with similarly low-end devices looking an OS to squeeze the last bit of performance they can out of it that might mistake CachyOS as for them, but if you're gonna rip it a new one at least have the decency to boot it on a computer that can take advanatge of the V3 or V4 repos and run some benchmarks before concluding that you don't feel the juice is worth the squeeze.

      3. Sophietheopossum

        It's perfectly respectable to have hardware preferences, I like my Asus Zenbook duo, and I don't think I'm ever going to replace it (beyond getting a Zephyrus duo when they're affordable), however cachyos never actually says it's trying to work well on old hardware, which I think really should have been acknowledged

      4. druck Silver badge

        I don't want a gamer's toy with technicolour lights that sounds like a fan heater.

        I was given an ASUS Strix gaming laptop at my current job, I thought I wouldn't like it, but with the lights turned off it is good. It makes low humming sound all the time in normal use, including compiling, only high graphics use gets it to spin up to a louder but still not unpleasant sound. This is so much better than the demented high pitched whine of the fans in my previous Dell and Lenovo laptops, which if you even think of doing some work try to simulate an F15 on full afterburner.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      And not try to install a distro optimized for new hardware on a decade+ old laptop.

  2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    Another conclusion

    If you want to launch a new Linux distro, you need to be at least as good as the best distros that already exist.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Another conclusion

      [Author here]

      > you need to be at least as good as the best distros that already exist.

      Exactly. If you include new features like unusual desktops, you must test them and ensure that they work. It is fine to offer snazzy new features like compressed swap or whatever, but you must support the plain old standards as well.

      This is where Pop!_OS falls down, and CachyOS falls further and harder.

    2. johnandmegh

      Re: Another conclusion

      And if you aren't pretty darn sure that you can, then that effort would be *so* much better spent actually contributing toward an existing project that could use the help.

      Folks will end up doing what they want, but if folks considered the full context, I think working on a downstream derivative distro when the upstream has hundreds of packages that need maintenance help, etc. would seem like installing a new augmented-reality navigation system into an Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight.

      1. An_Old_Dog Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Another conclusion

        If you've ever tried parking an Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight in a modern, tiny-sized parking slot, you'd know the Ninety-Eight needs an augmented-reality navigation system!

  3. Sophietheopossum

    You're missing the point. It's specifically designed to be optimised for newer hardware. If you have older hardware? Yeah don't install cachyos, it's not for you

  4. Mattscreative

    This was the most poorly written article i have seen in a very long time. First off not all linux is built for aged out old hardware that just hit jr high school instead certain distros can be made for the newest or near the newest hardware and cachyos never stated what hardware would work and what would not so thats on you for choosing a laptop that can be considered a teen in most places a dumb move period. Also the article lost all credibility when manjaro was brought up that distro is just top tier garbage and should be put down period.

    As someone who does run cachyos it’s been the best distro period for my hardware and had zero issues with getting anything working and i do streaming and editing and gaming and even photoshop work and emulation with it so i cover mostly all things possible and no none of that janky foss garbage like kdenlive or krita or gimp but davinci resolve studio and adobe photoshop 2023 and more.

    Please learn to do proper reviews on hardware that isn’t dead inside and has proper min specs these days because all you did was become the laughing stock of many discords and places that use linux.

    Anyway thanks for the memes.

    1. Mattscreative

      These are my use case and it’s not a flex to have a workflow but trying clown on or belittle someone for needing certain programs is just signs of toxic users and showcases linux community very well sadly.

      1. intelfx

        > <...> and no none of that janky foss garbage like kdenlive or krita or gimp <...>

        > but trying clown on or belittle someone for needing certain programs is just signs of toxic users

        I'm not sure who you were replying to, but perhaps look in the mirror?

  5. siprof

    Bluetooth

    What do they say about Bluetooth?

    "We do not enable Bluetooth as default. There is extra an button in CachyOS-Hello to enable Bluetooth with a Tickbox.

    Why we dont do that?

    Not everyone has bluetooth. Enabling the service on systems, which does not have a bluetooth in their system just delays the boot and results into a slower boot time and a failed service."

    Oh don't let me start about printer.

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