back to article Beijing's attack gang Volt Typhoon was a false flag inside job conspiracy: China

China has wildly claimed the Volt Typhoon gang, which Five Eyes nations accuse of being a Beijing-backed attacker that targets critical infrastructure, was in fact made up by the US intelligence community. The nation's National Computer Virus Emergency Response Center, National Engineering Laboratory for Computer Virus …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Great

    More ammunition for the people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

    And nobody will be going to prison for this.

    1. normal1

      Re: Great

      I am a hybrid conspiracy.

      There were KKK (satanic) kidnapping gangs operating in Central Florida, in the 90s, within 10 miles of those flight schools.

      There are law enforcement people walking around today, that kidnapped or covered up kidnappings of the 911 terrorists, BEFORE they became terrorists.

      A bit of Electro-convulsive "The-rapey", and add in a bit of Havana syndrome, and back in flight school .... (the now "terrorists" eventually caught on)

  2. Bebu
    Windows

    Not the full bottle on XML or HTML apparently

    "<Lie to me/>: A secret Disinformation Campaign targeting...

    Definitely not one myself but I am pretty sure <lie to me/> is a closing tag or at best a self closing tag. The tag's embedded spaces don't seem kosher either. :)

    <"Lie to me">: A secret Disinformation Campaign targeting.....<"Lie to me"/>

    is about as much sense as I would make of the mark up and would be baldly asserting their whole paper is a concoction of untruth. Pure Trumpery.

    1. Fred Flintstone Gold badge

      Re: Not the full bottle on XML or HTML apparently

      "Lie to me was", however, a very good TV series with Tim Roth in an absulutely cracking role as lead actor Cal Lightman.

      They sensibly stopped the series after 3 seasons as the core subject did have a limited range, but I suspect they would have had fun with the Trump era..

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Not the full bottle on XML or HTML apparently

        Sadly Tim Roth despised it and it got canned.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Not the full bottle on XML or HTML apparently

      The tag is "lie" and the words "to" and "me" are attributes with no values (and incidentally no fixed order, so "me to" is also a valid reading). It's self-closing.

  3. Zolko Silver badge
    Big Brother

    Flat Earth –vs– Saddam Hussein

    Sadly, the theory advanced in the document does not include lizard people, magic bullets, or fake Moon landings

    and does it mention weapons of mass destruction or viruses that will wipe out Humanity ? Or SMS about negotiating billion €uro contracts that have been deleted ? Or undersea gaz pipelines that have been blown up ?

    Asking for a friend who has some doubts

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Flat Earth –vs– Saddam Hussein

      Sadly, the theory advanced in the document does not include lizard people, magic bullets, or fake Moon landings

      and does it mention weapons of mass destruction or viruses that will wipe out Humanity ? Or SMS about negotiating billion €uro contracts that have been deleted ? Or undersea gaz pipelines that have been blown up ?

      Asking for a friend who has some doubts

      Erm... Did that mean anything? Or are you just having a morning stream of consciousness?

      1. Zolko Silver badge

        Re: Flat Earth –vs– Saddam Hussein

        How long do think you'll be able to défend that line of argumentation ?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Flat Earth –vs– Saddam Hussein

          How long do think you'll be able to défend that line of argumentation?

          Don't you mean 'antidisargumentationalism'?

          <coughs>

  4. Potemkine! Silver badge

    infosec vendor 360 Digital Security Group

    If I'm right, its HQ is in Weston, Florida. Why would it act as a proxy for China?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Because Trump is fronting it for a quick buck for his buddy Xi?

      Costs nothing to set up a company in most States and you can do it online.

      https://www.bing.com/search?q=360+Digital+Security+Group&form=QBLH&sp=-1&lq=0&pq=360+digital+security+group&sc=11-26&qs=n&sk=&cvid=6CCA671841DE448CA066C9FE60DEBE45&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=

      1. ryokeken

        bing search?

        using bing search to troll is masterful

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Looks like it's in China to me ... (as searched from the EU).

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      You're wrong.

      "360 Security Group" has a Florida address on their 360sec.com website. They came up once in my search for the company name

      "360 Digital Security Group", at 360.net and 360.cn, is "a leading digital security company in China", based in Beijing and founded by Zhou Hongyi. They came up as every other result in my search for the company name, the first three of which are in Chinese.

  5. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    The Much Greater Bigger Picture, Brother.

    The document concludes with a warning to peaceful nations of the world that Section 702's existence, and extension, is evidence that the US is an aggressive global hegemon and an "Empire of Hacking" intent on keeping China down.

    Are there A.N.Others though, who recognise and realise Section 702's existence, and extension, is more than just evidence of China's inexorable rise and leading Long March root programming for future predominant eminence/exemplar presence ....... or is that hallucinatory and an AI projection and exotic erotic oriental delight fielded in attack and defence iterations in response to wild wacky Western confections/infections ...... with both capable of being classed as an existential threat which would not bode well for administrations operating systems aiding and abetting Five Eyed monster missions?

    And yes, that is a real live question increasingly obvious becoming impossible to ignore and address with favoured and/or biased answers and remote virtual engagement/silent stealthy sensitive secret quantum communication.

    IT's not going away, you know, whenever expanding and exploiting SCADA operating systems at a truly alienating exponential pace ....... as you would expect any CyberIntelAIgent Agency to do in this digital age.

  6. O'Reg Inalsin

    It could be that China's cadres are getting better at social media ninja combat, but I think it's more likely that Russian experts are lending a hand.

    1. MOV r0,r0

      China buys in shills but top-downs them so they can't correct bad translation which is why you get "makes me irritate" instead of irritates me or "Pig Bay" instead of Bay of Pigs.

      Russia uses it's own people and they are anything but expert. The give away is the incredibly tortured grammar resulting from their attempt to sound traditionally English.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I wouldn't pooh pooh it.

        A WSJ investigative report - Russian-Backed Facebook Accounts Staged Events Around Divisive Issues They publicized or financed at least 60 events—on all sides of most polarizing issues—before and after the 2016 election. Whether it was done with broken English or not, Americans of all stripes were actually manipulated into attending confrontational rallies. I doubt this made any notable difference to an already Balkanized US. Nevertheless, the idea that some social media ninjas based in Russia, never leaving their desks, can pull mental strings to get Balkanized angry Americans to join confrontational rallies and shout and push each other - that's not nothing. It's actually kind of incredible ability (incredibly undesirable ) that needs to be acknowledged and addressed. Maybe it would help if those who were manipulated were made aware of it? But probably they wouldn't care.

      2. Snowy Silver badge
        Joke

        Just use AI

        Then you can pretend to be something else trying to sound like something else, whilst you are something completely different.

  7. ChoHag Silver badge

    If our government was half that good we'd be in some real trouble

    > executed by the NSA, the FBI, and the Departments of Justice, Defence, Homeland Security, and Energy.

    So ... ALL these government agencies and their equivalents in FIVE distinct countries have managed to work together? In secret? Successfully?

    It doesn't need to mention the lizard people. It's firmly in the world of fantasy from the get go.

  8. MOV r0,r0

    When the PRC tell a big porky it's usually for home consumption but leaked through the Great Firewall. I'm still waiting to find any of those multiple reservoirs of corona virus required to make the zoonotic leap from animals to humans sufficient for the virus to spread between humans, which is what the CCP claimed. The white tailed deer are buoyant and abundant, it must have been 武漢肺炎 Wuhan Pneumonia all along!

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Believe It Or Not..........

    Yup.....Huawei is a threat to the human race.......

    Yup.....E2EE is actually a threat to democracy (and also to children).....

    Yup.....Volt Typhoon is a Five Eyes Conspiracy......

    Yup.....The moon landings were filmed near Phoenix AZ......

    Yup..... EVERYTHING is TRUE......someone on TicToc said so..........

    ....so sad that there are so many unbelievers......................

    ....no real need for media.....or social media.......

    ....oh....wait..........

  10. FrankAlphaXII

    Sure NSA attacks stuff, but occam's razor. It's a whole lot less likely the alphabet soup attacked itself than a Chinese APT. It doesn't pass my bullshit detector anyway.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Clarification needed

    On page 19, the report notes: "there has been more than 45 million cyber attacks activities from U.S. government sponsored hackers against to the Chinese government, universities, research institutions, large enterprises, and critical infrastructure, and the number of victims is more than 140"

    This suggests that it takes 300,000 cyber attacks to make just 1 victim. If that's so, then we should really improve on the strength and precision of our attacks IMHO, and unblock the needed resources now.

    1. Snowy Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Clarification needed

      There is a lot of number more than 140 :)

  12. ecofeco Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Spiderman meme

    ------------------>>goes here<<---------------------

  13. Grunchy Silver badge

    I bet CIA can’t “hack” Kolibri

    Furthermore, nobody can hack my “Ghost Spectre” windows install.

    Well, there’s two reasons.

    1. I keep my Windows VM isolated away from the internet.

    2. It’s kinda hard to hack my Windows VM if I barely ever log into it!

    … because what’s the point of running windows anymore ?!

  14. Snowy Silver badge
    Holmes

    Hahahaha

    Sure they would.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    They will hack anything within reason, nothing is secure, don't be so deluded

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