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Google's chief scientist claims that AI is being unfairly blamed for the rise in his company's carbon dioxide emissions, and says the tech giant's efforts to switch to entirely clean energy by 2030 remains on track. Earlier this month, the Mountain View-based biz published its annual environmental report, containing the …

  1. cyberdemon Silver badge
    Big Brother

    It's not AI

    It's all the gobloads of data that we are slurping up to er, train our AI

  2. Zibob Silver badge

    To translate

    *guys guys, data centers have always been terrible for the environment, its not a new problem, we have always sucked, we are just in the news currently so you think its caused by AI, but really we have been polluting like there's no tomorrow for years and getting better at it every year.*

    Just based on the thinking that DC pollution is increasing faster than AI adoption, that must mean that since the initial care over emissions. No one has bothered to keep check on it and they are collectively able to just do what they want out of sight, now they are being scrutinised and need excuses, but that rather fall apart when considering the above increases and pace of such.

  3. Jedit Silver badge
    WTF?

    Chief scientist at company pushing AI says AI not the problem

    So, that's alright then.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Chief scientist at company pushing AI says AI not the problem

      Ah, ja. This must be ze sarcasm you English are always on about, ja?

  4. IGotOut Silver badge

    Green washing?

    "because its approach to renewable energy matching differs from the way Scope 2 emissions are calculated in the Greenhouse Gas (GHG) Protocol"

    That'll be Carbon Credits and paying for "green energy", even if it actually comes from a coal fired power station.

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Megaphone

      Re: Green washing?

      None of this, i.e calling the gas YOU and I and EVERYONE ELSE exhale, and which plants need in order to live ( CO2 ) "emissions", has ANY RELEVANCE IN THE WORLD OF SCIENTIFIC REALITY.

      CO2 is good for plants, and thereby our FOOD SUPPLY. The concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere FOLLOWS TEMPERATURE as I have said many times, and does NOT in ANY WAY *CONTROL* it.

      The NONSENSICAL and UNSCIENTIFIC Climate Scam is in and of itself a sort of intelligence test. Can the average person, when shown the simple scientific facts, choose to ignore the voices of DOOMERS and MANIPULATORS, and believe what their own "lying" eyes and ears are SHOWING them?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Green washing?

        "CO2 is good for plants, and thereby our FOOD SUPPLY. The concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere FOLLOWS TEMPERATURE as I have said many times, and does NOT in ANY WAY *CONTROL* it."

        Yes/No shakes head. CO2 is fantastic for my indoor herb garden and I have a special machine to pump it out. Not too much though as it's a killer.

        CO2 and temperature are linked like an equilibrium: CO2 traps heat, raising temperature, and vice-versa. The only thorn, as I have discovered in err, is that extreme levels of CO2 do control humidity, temp, nitrogen and a few other levels that I monitor.

        So if we get extreme CO2 built-up - the equivalent of me leaving my CO2 machine on full-blast in my indoor herb garden by mistake for 5 days with no proper venting - then, yes we are toasted like my ladies were. But it will take a lot of CO2 to get to that level. A LOT. (excuse the loud word)

        too long; didn't ...

        yes,

        yes,

        yes,

        and not always.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: Green washing?

          CO2 and temperature are linked like an equilibrium: CO2 traps heat, raising temperature, and vice-versa. The only thorn, as I have discovered in err, is that extreme levels of CO2 do control humidity, temp, nitrogen and a few other levels that I monitor.

          Out of interest, what CO2 level did you notice those changes?

      2. sabroni Silver badge

        Re: The NONSENSICAL and UNSCIENTIFIC Climate Scam is in and of itself a sort of intelligence test.

        Yes bob, for once, like a broken clock, you are right.

        The problem is that you think you've passed the test.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Green washing?

        Whilst your post seems a bit extreme...there is some basis to what you say. There have been studies that show that the Earth is actually getting greener because of CO2 emissions.

        https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004

        5% greener in fact.

  5. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    Please stop feeding the troll... stop giving media time to leadership and their announcements... so they die.

  6. ecofeco Silver badge

    Liar

    He's lying.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/woodmackenzie/2024/04/19/the-challenge-of-growing-electricity-demand-in-the-us/

    About the third or fourth paragraph down.

  7. Andy The Hat Silver badge

    "blaming the construction and outfitting of more datacenters to meet customer demand for cloud services."

    or, as MS could more easily have said,

    more users are being forced/manipulated into signing up for MS accounts they don't want and have their local private data slurped into the cloud where it can be AI-alysed to high heaven every time you click a filename ...

  8. glennsills@gmail.com

    The data center is part of a community.

    I've noticed that Google, Microsoft, and Amazon all carefully ignore one reality - renewable energy is not an infinite resource. It is not just the tech companies that need to convert to renewable energy, it is people's house, regular business, government, etc... When a company like Amazon, for example, builds out quickly in one area it outstrips the region's capacity to grow renewables. The result is dirty energy production methods are needed to heat houses in the winter. https://wapo.st/3zSSFgi. It doesn't matter much if Amazon, Microsoft, and Google can meet these public relation goals, it is the overall conversion to renewables that counts, and those companies are hurting that effort.

  9. BasicReality

    We need to stop wasting time worrying about CO2 "emissions." It's not pollution, it's what we breathe out everyday.

    What we really need to focus on is this scarcity mindset from leftists. We need to stop trying to conserve energy, stop trying to reduce CO2. Drill for oil, dig for coal, and build the power plants needed for this world. Everyone wants to electrify more and more, and produce less than we do currently. Power companies should be mandated to produce at least 10-15% more power than the peak usage of the previous year. That should come from reliable sources, either fossil fuels or nuclear.

    Solar has it's place, I've been to a place where the parking lot was covered in solar panels. Was nice heading out to the car, it was in the shade all day, if it was raining or snowing, the panels would have helped with that. But other than small use cases like that, it's absurd to think we'll ever generate enough from that to power everything we need, and it only runs at limited hours.

    1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      no you have it all wrong... what we need to do is stop americans buying trucks and regular cars... they should all be driving road trains like they have in the australian outback...semis that tow a few carriages something around 100 yards long.

      need to take the kids to school, get the semi running... one kid per carriage and get that road train moving.

      Things will be wonderful, just imagine a traffic jam with 1000 road trains outside each and every school. Just think of the increased productivity.

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