back to article You know what spreadsheets need? LLMs, says Microsoft

Researchers at Microsoft have developed a framework designed to make it easier for large language models (LLMs) to analyze the content of spreadsheets and perform data management and analysis tasks, because why not? In a research paper published on open-access repository arXiv, the Redmond team explains that the format of …

  1. Antony Shepherd

    Let the fun begin!

    AI 'Hallucinations' in the balance sheets of large companies who have sacked their accountants because the AI can do that now.

    What larks!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Let the fun begin!

      The Trump org don't need no stinking AI to cook the books. They are bad enough already. 'Severe deficiencies even after two years of moderation'.

      If the Orange Jesus can't run his own company properly (ok so he bankwupted a casino so that's a big hint) how can he be expected to run the USA?

      Oh wait... the Heritage Foundation will do it all for him (while maintaining their tax exempt status)

      And the MAGA faithful still love and adore him? madness

    2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Let the fun begin!

      Lies, damn lies, and LLM hallucinations.

  2. DS999 Silver badge
    Terminator

    Clippy is self aware

    The end is nigh!

    1. Martin-73 Silver badge
      Big Brother

      Re: Clippy is self aware

      I see you're trying to kill -9 my process. I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Wonder if this is what Birmingham City Council used that left them unable to produce year end accounts.

  4. Brave Coward

    Thank you very much for...

    'computer-aided creative accounting', indeed. Or CACA.

    Just check the meaning of that word in french ! Sums it up perfectly, I think.

    1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Re: Thank you very much for...

      Why even bother with accounting, would be cheaper for a random number generator to generate a number. THink of the electricity and paper savings.

  5. Michael Strorm Silver badge

    *Everything* needs an LLM...

    ...when you have an LLM to sell.

    1. Mishak Silver badge

      Microsoft's "ideas" team

      Perhaps they should be the first to "demonstrate" that LLMs are the way forward?

      1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge
        Childcatcher

        Re: "demonstrate" that LLMs are the way forward

        AND be free of bugs... We all know how shoddy MS Software really is.

      2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Microsoft's "ideas" team

        The beauty of LLMs, from Microsoft's perspective, is that they haven't needed to demonstrate utility because LLMs are 1) full of shiny for the squirrel-chasing types (which represent most of the people who make purchasing decisions), and 2) cater very well to the lazy and sloppy types (which represent most of the people who make purchasing decisions).

  6. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

    Paper Predicts ...

    Uh-huh. So where's my nuclear-reactor-powered, anti-gravity-effect-levitated, flying car*?

    * I wouldn't willingly travel in such a thing unless my life depended on doing so.

    1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Re: Paper Predicts ...

      Have you heard of a guy called Elon ?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: PHave you heard of a guy called Elon

        Yes we have.

        This is the same guy that is donating millions of money that comes from Tesla to a political party that is hell bent on shutting down Tesla.

        Musk does seem to have his mind addled by all that Joe Rogan weed.

      2. jospanner

        Re: Paper Predicts ...

        he’s the guy to go to if you want your flying car to have bits randomly drop off it, like a bourgeois Morris Marina

        1. Norfolk N Chance

          Re: Paper Predicts ...

          Or a Boeing?

        2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          Re: Paper Predicts ...

          Why worry about bits falling off if it will never take off in the first place.

    2. Roopee Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Paper Predicts ...

      I think you mean "if", not "unless" - that would certainly be my attitude! Anything that lifts you further off the ground than you can safely fall is mission-critical...

      Mine's the one with "Basic Physics vs Human Biology" in the pocket...

      1. Norfolk N Chance

        Re: Paper Predicts ...

        While falling, just ask your AI enhanced phone to translate a rescue message into Eagle.

        Sequence shortened and steps removed? Oh dear.

        In that case you'll almost certainly land at terminal velocity to some YouTube clip of LOTR, or on the back of a flatbed ford, my lord...

  7. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    How many weeks until the next 1929 thanx to AI...?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      re: How many weeks?

      It will start on 21st Jan 2025 when MAGA takes control of the asylum, the country formerly known as the USofA.

  8. LybsterRoy Silver badge

    Hands up anyone who (thinks they) understood the gibberish explanations of what the tool did.

    If anyone raised their hand can they please explain it in simple language for this thicko.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      I understood most of it, but them I'm fairly familiar with the file format. Spreadsheet data structures are inherently inefficient, which is why they're not used for storage of very large datasets, except by the millions of idiots out there who seem to rely on them for everything. Other structures have existed for a long time, but you have to find a way to get to them, specifically finding tables within spreadsheets that have not been marked up as tables. Once you've done that you can turn a matrix, say of 100 x 100 cells, into a set of typed and indexed smaller structures. Imagine converting XLSX to CSV, whilst preserving types and using run-length encoding for data compression.

      1. Norfolk N Chance

        Nicely put.

        Spreadsheets are great for proto-typing, and one-off, what-if analysis of data. Once you've decided how to organise it, make the method repeatable and lock the format down in a database, for everyone's sake.

        "AI" has apparently passed the old Turing Test concept of generating content which is indistinguishable from humans. Maybe this spreadsheet scenario will better illustrate the need for humans to generate better content in the first instance, rather than zettabytes of internet-filler which LLMs dutifully reflect back.

        Frankly, even if there was the merest glimmer if intelligence in any process prefixed *AI" (remember the "Smart" buzzword anyone?) the content it has been trained on would kill it.

        1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

          Re: Spreadsheets are great for proto-typing...

          Once you've decided how to organise it, make the method repeatable and lock the format down in a database, for everyone's sake.

          My mantra for the past 30 or so years that I've run my business.

        2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          It's also okay as a reporting format, or even as a preprocessor for official reports, but in such cases it really should be free of any formulae or automation, because if it can miscalculate something, it will.

      2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        But isnt that just a comment on how poor XML is at storing "data"... its almost like one should go back to the original xls with its binary format.

        1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          The XML format is based, at least structurally, on the BIFF format. I suspect technical reasons such as row and column limits would make a return to the format impossible. Microsoft has introduced a binary format, XLSB, but I haven't much take up outside the Microsoft world.

          When it comes to working with spreadsheets, there isn't that much to be gained in changing the file format as most consumers can read and write it fast enough.

  9. PM.

    Can't they just ask ChatGPT to create this spreadsheet reading system for them ?

    I've heard it so amazing and can do wonders ! /s

  10. Mike 137 Silver badge

    Courtesy of LLM tech

    You no longer need garbage in to produce garbage out. But, sadly, AI as a whole is getting branded by the performance of LLMs, despite a large number of highly effective task-specific AI that's delivering considerable value in many fields.

  11. VBF
    FAIL

    I don't believe it!

    For **** sake!

    A very poor solution in search of a problem!

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Thanks MS for yet more 'stuff' I did not know I needed !!!

    Do you find your spreadsheets are giving answers you would rather ignore ???

    Is reality getting in the way of your ideas for world domination ???

    Do you want to turn that $1000.00 into $10,000,000,001.33 overnight ???

    What you need is our speadsheet hallucination product with added LLM [MS CoPilot-Speadsheet+++ Deluxe V1.01(Beta)] !!!

    All you need to do is keep running your speadsheet through our product until the answer you *want* appears !!!

    You can honestly say that AI has confirmed your expectations.

    Pick up the phone and dial our number NOW !!!

    :)

  13. Rich 2 Silver badge

    Is it April 1st?

    This is so fucking stupidly ridiculous, I really don’t know what other explanation there could be.

    1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: Is it April 1st?

      No but MS thinks that it is Christmas Day, everyone's birthday and Thanksgiving all rolled into one mega event.

      FSCK MS and all the rest of the [redacted] companies flogging this bovine excrement on steroids.

  14. JWLong

    I'm So Effing Happy...................

    That my Office 2013 Pro is now EoL'ed and doesn't receive updates anymore.

    1. sedregj
      Gimp

      Re: I'm So Effing Happy...................

      "That my Office 2013 Pro is now EoL'ed and doesn't receive updates anymore."

      Why not give Libre Office a go? Excel 2013 isn't a patch on it. You can have or have not the ribbon (your choice but at least you have a choice). It's modern - 2013 is 11 years ago. Updates also provide bug fixes as well as LLM wankery but you'll be glad to know that Libre Office is free of AI out of the box. However, I'm sure there are plugins but at least that is voluntary.

      I ask my staff to use RI (Real Intelligence) wherever possible.

  15. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    Its amazing how these companies claim AI is the next big thing and yet their own internal policies are the complete opposite.

    WHy hasnt MS fired ALL | HALF | QUARTER their programmers and replaced them with ChatGPT ?

    1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

      Re: WHy hasnt MS fired ALL | HALF | QUARTER their programmers and replaced them with ChatGPT ?

      Maybe they have. How would we know?

      (No, no need to answer that).

  16. Joe Gurman

    Farewell, Excel….

    …. it was a good thirty years, but all good things must come to an end.

    Don’t let the door &c.

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