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Nineteen years and a whole bunch of controversy later, Boeing has decided to reacquire Spirit AeroSystems, maker of parts including the door plug included in select Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft.  Spirit, which manufactures plane parts like fuselages, wings, and other components for both Boeing and Airbus, is being reacquired for …

  1. Paddy Fagan

    Looks like the Scotland site may not go to Airbus...

    From the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckdglkyqdewo

    > Aside from the Belfast operations, Airbus will take control of two Spirit factories in the US, one in France and one in Morocco.

    > The Spirit operation at Prestwick in Scotland is not part of the deal and will also be sold separately.

    1. nematoad Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Looks like the Scotland site may not go to Airbus...

      Yes, I read that article as well and it does look as if the non-Airbus parts of the Belfast operation are in serious danger of closing down if no-one wants to take the loss making business over.

      So saying that there will be no redundancies may not be right.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Looks like the Scotland site may not go to Airbus...

        The non Boeing non airbus parts of spritit mostly do work for embraer, so it's possible and embraer deal will be in thr pipeline, or that a private partner will be interested in purchasing those parts. Embraer is growing well so I can imagine many investment funds would like a way to get a bit of the action.

  2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "reacquire spun-off supplier Spirit AeroSpace"

    Yeah well, at this point you can only say : incest is what it is, right ?

    1. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Re: "reacquire spun-off supplier Spirit AeroSpace"

      Well, they should have never split it off to begin with, and concentrated on engineering airplanes instead of finance games.

      1. spuck

        Re: "reacquire spun-off supplier Spirit AeroSpace"

        A cynical man might think one of the reasons for the original spin-off was to shelter the parent company from potential liability and provide a layer of isolation: any quality problems are then just a "supplier issue".

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: "reacquire spun-off supplier Spirit AeroSpace"

          >A cynical man might think one of the reasons for the original spin-off was to shelter the parent company from potential liability

          That's a bit cynical, there was also union busting, pension fund savings and a bit of financial engineering in the free-money era

      2. Snake Silver badge

        RE: concentrated on engineering airplanes instead of finance games

        The American spirit of Jack Welch is one of greed and moral corruption that never stops giving...

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: RE: concentrated on engineering airplanes instead of finance games

          But that is why General Electric now dominates US industry

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Buuuuuuuuulll Craaaaappp

    "fully align ... including our Safety and Quality .... centered on safety and quality,"

    Surely they need to have Safety and Quality in the first place before they can centre on it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Buuuuuuuuulll Craaaaappp

      Root cause?

  4. ecarlseen
    FAIL

    The time-honored corporate tradition

    of tying two boat-anchors together to see if they'll float.

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: The time-honored corporate tradition

      More like they cut their boat in half, and started taking on water in both halves. They're going to try putting the pieces back together again - if they do that job correctly it should be able to float like before it was cut. If not it will continue to take on water.

      1. StewartWhite Bronze badge
        Mushroom

        Re: The time-honored corporate tradition

        Unfortunately this also seems to be the same method that Spirit/Boeing have been using to build their airliners.

        1. DS999 Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: The time-honored corporate tradition

          Well taking on water is definitely a sign of serious problems for an airplane!

      2. herman Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: The time-honored corporate tradition

        The reassembled boat would float again, if it weren't for those pesky hairline cracks and fuselage gaps.

  5. steelpillow Silver badge
    Windows

    So, what began as a beancounting exercise gets undone in the interests of good engineering. Are Boeing finally getting the message, or are the beancounters just cutting their losses?

    But I am sad to see the old Short Bros. operation falling under the Euro monolith. Short's were Britain's first aircraft manufacturing company, and after several corporate moves around the UK they ended up in Belfast. In the big UK consolidation, they were the only significant company to escape absorption into B.Ae, and hence (on the civil side) into Airbus. But then times went bad, Bombardier reached across the Atlantic and moved in, and then Spirit jumped on top. Now, at last, the Borg Cube begins its assimilation. I wonder how long Bombadier's dilithium crystals will last. Ironic really, as Short Bros. aeroplane business began by building American ones - the venerable Wright Flyer - under license, and their bloodline will die with the ending of the final transatlantic contract. (FWIW they began by building coal gas balloons under a railway arch in South London. Nobody makes steampunk like they used to).

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      "what began as a beancounting exercise gets undone in the interests of good engineering"

      Yes, let's hope the beancounters get spirited away for good.

      Like you, I'm orry to see what keeps happening o Shorts. I had a couple of colleagues who'd worked there, as did my BiL for a while.

  6. PhilipN Silver badge

    "By reintegrating Spirit..."

    I dare say there was a similarly plausible reason for spinning it off in the first place but I honestly can't be ar*ed to look it up. One good thing about modern social media is that for more people the bull**** meter is finely attuned.

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  8. Julian Poyntz

    Is it really Sprint ?

    I must admit I had not looked too deeply and until now thought Sprirt = Boeing, and that is the problem. But reading that Spirit also work on/for Airbus, how comes there are no such issues there if the problem lay in Spirit - or this is something only on the other side of the pond ?

    1. blackcat Silver badge

      Re: Is it really Sprint ?

      It is probably safe to say that the issues are likely linked to the specific facility, poor QC/QA on the part of Boeing and that they supply a mostly complete fuselage to Boeing rather than subsections.

  9. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    Lessons not learned

    MBAs and investors will be looking at this and thinking: "That was great while it lasted: we got 20 years more money through this asset stripping! Time to dump what's left on saps and move on."

    1. balrog

      Re: Lessons not learned

      Correct but you just got the timescale wrong, the move on happened a few years ago. The art of fucking like this is to exit while you can smell of roses. I'd look at 'retirements' and those 'looking for future challenges' from 4 or 5 years ago if you really want the arch manipulators here.

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: Lessons not learned

        Yes, well, I'd assumed they'd already done that. IIRC they'd got the most out of the gig before the Dreamliner went into service, which is why the QA problems really started to show. Things were starting to get bumpy before then with the A380 initially stealing the show because Boeing had nothing remotely close for long haul, because R&D had been wound down into designing new logos and catchy slogans…

        We should also consider the role of the FAA, especially after the landmark decision of SCOTUS is limiting agencies' rights in rule-setting. No doubt, now that the FAA has woken up, lobbying for lighter regulation, enforced through the courts, will pick up again. Because, as long as you comply with the regulations, you can't be held liable for any damages. Kerching! Make mine a double!

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