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India's Ministry of Labor and Employment has ordered an investigation of Foxconn – the contract manufacturer supplier also known as Hon Hai Precision and one of Apple’s main suppliers – after reports emerged alleging the company will not hire married women to work at its main iPhone assembly plant on the subcontinent. The …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Non-problem Problems

    * Toe rings: who cares? They won't be an issue if their workers are wearing proper safety boots (or completely-enclosed shoes, depending on what's appropriate).

    * Necklaces: workers, take 'em off (and finger rings, watches, etc.) before entering the shop/warehouse areas. Where I work (1st world location/company) repeated safety policy violations like that gets the employee progressively-severe penalties, up to and including being sacked.

    * Women experience pregnancy: yes, they do. Other parts of the world have learned to deal with that in a fair and reasonable way; perhaps this division of Foxconn ought to do that, as well.

    * Women experience "family duties": yes, and so do men. I'm not sure what they're throwing into the bag with this particular phrase.

    * Women experience absenteeism: no more, as far as I've seen, than do men.

    This all appears to be a "We'll outsource the task so we also can, hopefully, outsource the blame" game.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Non-problem Problems

      The best man for a job is a woman...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Non-problem Problems

        Would that be a woman with, or without, a penis? :-)

        1. ArrZarr Silver badge

          Re: Non-problem Problems

          ODFO

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Non-problem Problems

            Ooooh, sense of humour failures are in good supply today.

            1. ArrZarr Silver badge
              Holmes

              Re: Non-problem Problems

              You call it a sense of humour failure, I see your comment as a transphobic dog-whistle as TERF Island hurtles towards an only slightly less trans-hostile government than we currently have.

              But you could always have used the joke icon, if you were willing to put a name to your post.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Non-problem Problems

                I don't care what sex or gender people want to consider themselves, it's their business and people should respect that, but minorities don't get to define that the community as a whole must behave like them. That's dictatorship.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Non-problem Problems

                  It is their business until biology gets in the way.

                  Denial of which just looks misguided at best

              2. tiggity Silver badge

                Re: Non-problem Problems

                And when I see transphobic thrown as an insult I often see the person using that term as someone who does not give a toss about women's rights. Women's sensitive single sex spaces (e.g. changing room where naked in front of others, rape crisis centre where women discuss what men did to them etc.) need to not have biological men present (irrespective of what they identify as). Most women don't care if a bloke wants to wear lippy, a wig, frock etc, they do care if such a man is in a women only space, as they make women feel unsafe (do we need to mention Isla Bryson, Katie Dolatowski etc.). Some men are predators*, if there's a loophole available to allow predatory behaviour then sadly some men will exploit it.

                Male trans activists are intent on destroying decades of hard won female rights.

                * Yes there are dangerous women, but men are a greater physical danger to women than other women are. There are virtually no women in the UK who have not experienced some form of sexual abuse be that minor sexual abuse - a pat on the bum, voyeurism, upskirting, someone rubbing against them when standing room only on a crowded train, indecent exposure through to major sexual abuse such as non consensual sexual activities, rape.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Discrimination of this kind is not going to help the assumption common in India that men make money and women cost money — witness to that the large sums of money that the family of the bride is supposed to give to the family of the groom, proportional to his income, to compensate them for having to feed her.

    Though this tradition is interestingly at odds with market forces, considering there is a large gender imbalance in the country and women are scarce. Also worth noting that the gender gap in education is practically filled, though the gender gap at work is still large.

  3. tony72

    Not just Foxconn

    I watched a video a while back, I think it was on the Economics Explained YouTube channel (I think it's the one titled "India Will Not Be The Next China") that said that low labour force participation rates, primarily due to women not working, was the biggest impediment to India's economic development. There's a range of cultural and social factors leading to women, particularly after marriage, being excluded from the workforce, and it's not getting any better at the moment.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      > the biggest impediment to India's economic development

      Isn't it actually the reason why India is not on the brink of extinction vs western countries? Maybe Indian women have actual time to take care of kids and husbands.

      In absolute numbers Indian male population is gigantic, so, provided well organized economy and educated workforce, female non-participation should not be a problem.

    2. Chet Mannly

      Re: Not just Foxconn

      TBF the same was true in the 50s in pretty much every western country. They changed, India can too.

      For sure it's holding them back economically at the moment, but once extra money starts rolling in self-interest will beat culture...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        > the same was true in the 50s

        And, supposedly life was better for an average american Joe. Maybe because of higher consumption vs production capacity and less overproduction.

  4. Professor_Iron

    It's for the in-house dating

    I'm afraid most misunderstand the nature of the such policies. The most common reason employers look for unmarried women is to make sure the unmarried men on the job have a large enough crop to choose from. Couples that have met at the workplace will show far more corporate loyalty for the rest of their life (or at least until the divorce).

    1. Handlebars

      Re: It's for the in-house dating

      Why not exclude already-married men on the same basis?

      1. Professor_Iron

        Re: It's for the in-house dating

        Maybe they do, we just don't hear about it? Or maybe they don't have to. India is pretty much the incel-capital of the world due to arranged marriages (or rather the high number of men not benefiting from it) - I'd assume that guys applying for engineering positions at Foxconn are very likely to be unmarried anyways.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    One hand behind your back

    I don't think India is by any means the worst country for this. I think predominantly Muslim countries take some beating (on the whole) but excluding 50% of your country's brain power from the workplace/academia/government is a terrible idea. It's like trying to compete with only one hand.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: One hand behind your back

      Yeah, A friend of mine was Failure Analysis Queen at GE Power Generation about a decade back. Pretty much everyone at GE agreed if she couldn't figure it out and get it working, no one could. And no one was anywhere near as quick about it.

      So one of the almost-a-gigawatt turbines in Saudi Arabia fails, costing $mil/hr and they scream "we want your BEST people here YESTERDAY!"

      "Ok, we're sending [name] - there's no one better"

      "WHAT! A WOMAN! UNACCEPTABLE!"

      "Alright. Do you want to stand on that, or do you want your turbine running ASAP?"

      She says the atmosphere was really strange when she started to show she really did know what she was doing, better than anyone else in the room.

  6. midcapwarrior

    I'm shocked

    Shocked that the government is investigating.

    Guessing someone at foxcom forgot to make their monthly bribe/payment.

    Sure it will be cleared up next month

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