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Yet another lawsuit was this week filed against Tesla citing a "systemically … racially hostile work environment" at the company's Fremont, California plant.  This one's even widening the envelope to include similar allegations of bad behavior at Tesla's battery "megafactory" in nearby Lathrop, CA.  For anyone who has …

  1. Khaptain Silver badge

    In California ?

    I thought that California was the most liberal of all the states.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: In California ?

      I suppose a company’s management culture may be more influential than local norms.

    2. fromxyzzy

      Re: In California ?

      Only in the cities, go 5 miles in any direction (on land) and it's Alabama in the high desert.

      Even the cities are more champagne liberal than anything, quite happy to price out the 'undesirable elements' and believe any ludicrous story about non-existent crime waves.

    3. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

      Re: In California ?

      What's your point?

      1. Khaptain Silver badge

        Re: In California ?

        The point is the maybe, just maybe, the Social Justice advocates are actually just a bunch of pandering hypocrites that shout loudly about others in order that we ignore what they themselves are doing.

        1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: In California ?

          You do understand that Tesla doesn't represent anyone or anything but Tesla... right?

          1. Khaptain Silver badge

            Re: In California ?

            The people that work at Tesla I would presume are Californians and that's got nothing to do with Tesla.

            1. Necrohamster Silver badge

              Re: In California ?

              Why would you presume that? Maybe they moved from surrounding states for economic opportunity?

    4. Necrohamster Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: In California ?

      Wow it's inconceivable that some racists could exist in a population of 39 million people

      Tell us you've never been to California without telling us you've never been to California lol

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Facepalm

    Fourteen black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs

    14 Black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs .. allege they were all were targeted for discrimination

    a. I wonder who is paying the lawyer fees?

    b. Aren't Hispanic and Latino much the same thing. As Major Gowen would have put it «███s begin at Calais» /s

    c. Get with the program “Elon” and all your financial land legal woes will evaporate.

    1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Fourteen black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs

      Aren't Hispanic and Latino much the same thing.
      If only there were some way to find out.

      1. pethan

        Re: Fourteen black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs

        So a Brazilian woman would be latina but not hispanic, as Brazilians speak Portuguese. The difference is a thin line ...

        1. Necrohamster Silver badge

          Re: Fourteen black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs

          I know Brazilians who speak Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, and English. The language you speak doesn't define your identity any more than the country you're currently living in (or were born in).

          The terms Hispanic/Latino/Latina/Latinx are all American constructions anyway. Go to Honduras or Chile and ask someone to pick a name from that list to describe themselves.

          The real question is why are Americans so obsessed with putting labels on people?

          1. willyslick

            Re: Fourteen black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs

            >I know Brazilians who speak Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, and English. The language you speak doesn't define your identity any more than the country you're currently living in (or were born in).

            >The terms Hispanic/Latino/Latina/Latinx are all American constructions anyway. Go to Honduras or Chile and ask someone to pick a name from that list to describe themselves.

            I am quite sure they would refer to themselves as "Americans"

            >The real question is why are Americans so obsessed with putting labels on people?

            US Americans are as a whole a simple folk that deals primarily in simplifications of reality to get along.

            1. Necrohamster Silver badge
              Joke

              Re: Fourteen black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs

              US Americans are as a whole a simple folk that deals primarily in simplifications of reality to get along.

              Jim said it best in Blazing Saddles:

              You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers.

              These are people of the land.

              The common clay of the new West.

              You know... morons.

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    3. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: Fourteen black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs

      Lawyers will be paid on contingency. In addition you can get investors from private equity to chip in to buy a share in any settlement. Litigation is quite a big business in the US. Which is why corporations have well organized legal departments, HR policies (and training) and there's even insurance. Also big business.

      California does have strict anti-discriminsation laws so its a bit of a puzzle why 14 assorted plantiffs could allege discrimination. They're more likely to be discriminated against because of job performance than race, especially as the management is likely to be all sorts of races as well (remember that Mr. Musk is a South African and not a pure white Boer type either).

      I'd list the suit under 'chancers' and I think its an excellent argument for why we don't like to make stuff in California. Its not that we can't but its just more trouble than its worth.

      1. imanidiot Silver badge

        Re: Fourteen black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs

        You're assuming that Tesla is actually following California's strict anti-discrimination laws. I don't exactly see Tesla as a bastion of following rules. So it's quite possible these 14 have a legit case.

      2. Necrohamster Silver badge

        Re: Fourteen black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs

        "I'd list the suit under 'chancers' and I think its an excellent argument for why we don't like to make stuff in California"

        The chancer in this story is Elmo. He makes stuff in California because he gets corporate welfare payments.

        Tesla has received more than $3.2 billion worth of direct and indirect California subsidies and market mechanisms since 2009, according to an estimate from Newsom's office. <- That $3.2 billion figure's from 2022 by the way.

      3. Roj Blake Silver badge

        Re: paid on contingency

        Unless it's this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yuL6PcgSgM

      4. anothercynic Silver badge

        Re: Fourteen black, Hispanic and Latino plaintiffs

        Just because Musk is a South African and not a "pure white Boer type" (your words) does not mean he can't be an utter asshat.

        There are plenty of non-South African, non-"pure white Boer type" asshats in the world... A certain Brit with a penchant for banking with Coutts and throwing a strop over immigration and immigrants and claiming he is one of the people (when he's anything but) comes to mind. Ditto another Brit with a penchant for wearing top hats and pretending he was time transported to the 21st century from Her Majesty Queen Victoria's era (he's merely months older than I). Or a Brit who clowns about, got fired from multiple jobs (including one in Brussels where he wrote rubbish that was lapped up by the likes of the aforementioned).

        And, well, we can point at several Americans who are also of a similar nature as the aforementioned Brits, or Musk.

        Asshats hide *everywhere*.

  3. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    Good old corporate america and its brainwashing branch the american media... poor idiots who thought Elon was great.

    1. seldom

      Amazing how Musky's profile in the US has changed since the Twitter Files.

      Before;God of renewable, best person ever.

      Now, post Twitter files, there are lawsuits from all over the place (mainly government related orgs) and constant bad press

      We all knew he was a wanker before, (any fule nows) but now I actually have... don't know, but anyone who pisses off the the USG that much while still getting loads of money from them... respect.

      And the landing of the the last Falcon 9 booster was cool.

  4. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    Wow

    And to think we live in the 3rd millennium.

    I'd have thought we, as a species, could have gotten past this trend by now.

    I am obviously sadly mistaken.

    1. ravenviz Silver badge

      Re: Wow

      Hear, hear. That and the male gaze.

      1. ravenviz Silver badge

        Re: Wow

        It baffles me that a call out on the male gaze gets a thumbs down. It's precisely this and the other scourges on society that prevents up progressing to the next enlightenment. It is going to happen. Leave your chimpanzee mind at the door.

        1. Khaptain Silver badge

          Re: Wow

          You truly refuse to understand that primates are primitive being and evolution is a very, very, very, very slow processus

          Rather than tell others how to live their lives, why not just lead by example, if everyone else then sees that it is a worthwhile move they will naturally follow along. However, if they don't then maybe you have to rethink your cause.

        2. deadlockvictim

          The Male Gaze

          We hadn't even realised that it might even be a problem until it was brought up.

          Surely something natural should be celebrated in all of its glory?

          Or do you wish it repressed with all of the inherent dangers it poses further down the line?

          p.s. I've long thought that, along with 'Boyzone', 'The Male Gaze' would make a great, if somewhat suggestive, name for a group of pretty young men singing manufactured pop music aimed at teenage girls (and possibly gay men). Japan did have a popular band called 'Kinki Kids' in the 1990s but the Japanese never did get the joke. Kinki is the area around Ōsaka, you see.

          1. ravenviz Silver badge

            Re: The Male Gaze

            Women and girls have been coping with men for millennia and dealing with it without fanfare, the "male gaze coming up" is about time men realised another path in support of an enlightened humanity.

    2. Khaptain Silver badge

      Re: Wow

      The human being is far less intelligent than you might imagine.

      It's needs are basic , reproduce and start again.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Wow

        It's more accurate to say that no matter how intelligent the human is, it's needs remain to reproduce and start again.

    3. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Re: Wow

      You are blind.

      The problem isnt racism the problem is America's continued brainwashing of the masses to worship corporate leadership. So many things are improved significantly without corporate greed and their morals. Racism and slavery themselves basically only exist because of greed, its the idiots who believe the rich landowners in the american south slaved those poor workers simply because they were black.. Rubbish it was about free labour first and foremost. They would have enslaved whites a swell i they could, and they sort of did in a diferent way.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Full Staff Discrimination

    Guys!

    Guys!

    That’s not what FSD stands for!

    1. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

      Re: Full Staff Discrimination

      Or, just maybe, that's exactly what it stands for and Elmo has actually delivered

  6. Groo The Wanderer

    Given the constant stream of news lately, it's a really bad idea to have the name "Drumpf" or "Musk"... seems every week there is another suit to defend against.

    Which is a good thing!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      it would actually be good, if they did what they should do and jail the fuckers and throw the key away.

      The rich get so much leeway to damage society with their illegal shit, it's fucking rediculous.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Elon is living up to his name

    or rather the anagram of it.... SKUM.

    His next move will be to fire all those named in the lawsuit. Which will result in more lawsuits. He does not care. He has more $$$ and almost anyone on the planet. He can afford to engage (or buy) almost every lawyer in California and many other states. That $65B (or $48B) can buy you an awful lot of legal representation.

    Money talks.

    1. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: Elon is living up to his name

      We are an "at will" state in California. Which put simply means that unless someone has specifically negotiated something as part of their employment contract there are absolutely no employment protections. You can leave without notice and they can fire you without notice.

      Instant firing of workers isn't normally done for practical reasons but I've seen it happen to colleagues. The actual firing might come out of nowhere but the legal groundwork is laid well in advance.

  8. Necrohamster Silver badge

    Well well well, the company led by a white South African has a systemic racism problem. Who would've thought?

    It's said that a company takes on the character of its leader

    1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Its a good thing(tm) that america makes heroes out of corporate leaders, because we all know none of the worlds problems are caused by idolizing leadership.

      Sorry i lie ignore islam, the ukraine war, china, america ....they dont count,

      1. Necrohamster Silver badge

        Well, senior executives are more likely to be psychopaths than the general population. It's probably not an exclusively American thing although Henry Ford was a notorious antisemite and Thomas J. Watson of IBM was a Nazi enabler/accomplice. To be honest we could be here all day listing CEOs who've done a lot of shady shit

        1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          Of course its not exclusively an american thing, but few countries in the western world pound the living crap out of the masses with their brainwashing how great corporate leaders are.

          Its fucking everywhere, search for a company and the first thing it displays is who are the leaders. Goto linked in and one of the major points is showing you who are the leaders. Rinse and repeat on wiki, they often spend more time telling about leaders than the actual core business. I wont bore you with how many times documentaries are mde about the american founding fathers, in Australia most people couldnt even name the first Prime Minister and he was around only 120 year ago.

  9. MachDiamond Silver badge

    And then there were two

    Tesla has also been hoisted up on charges against fouling the air, again, still. The last time it was emanations from the painting operation and that's likely still it as well as some fly tipping and things piled up outside occasionally catching fire. California is the source of all that is restrictive in environmental standards so you do have to cross your i's and dot your T's or catch a fine. I know, Elon doesn't believe in fines and probably isn't paying them which is spraying jet fuel on the pyre.

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