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Waymo is updating its self-driving cars' software after another accident in Phoenix, Arizona, that the driverless taxi biz is blaming on faulty maps and code. Details of what is technically a voluntary software recall of Waymo's fifth-generation automated driver system (ADS) have not yet been published on the US National …

  1. vtcodger Silver badge

    Some details

    The account over at Slashdot has a few more details. Apparently the original source was The Verge Two quotes from The Verge article:

    The company is filing the recall with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) after completing a software update to 672 vehicles — the total number of driverless-capable vehicles in Waymo’s fleet. The update corrects an error in the software that “assigned a low damage score” to the telephone pole, and updates its map to account for the hard road edge in the alleyway that was not previously included. ...

    ... an unoccupied Waymo vehicle was driving to a passenger pickup location through an alley that was lined on both sides by wooden telephone poles. The poles were not up on a curb but level with the road and surrounded with longitudinal yellow striping to define the viable path for vehicles. As it was pulling over, the Waymo vehicle struck one of the poles at a speed of 8mph, sustaining some damage, the company said.

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    2. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Some details

      That's an awful lot of telephones for a single street

    3. MatthewSt Silver badge

      Re: Some details

      "low damage score" makes it sound like it decided to hit the traffic pole instead of something else...

      1. YetAnotherLocksmith

        Re: Some details

        At 8mph it should've stopped almost instantly.

      2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: Some details

        "low damage score" makes it sound like it decided to hit the traffic pole instead of something else..

        Probably an inherited issue from a much earlier self-driving vehicle. I think it was the Hellfire missile that had an optical seeker and guidance mode that used to confuse telegraph poles and their shadows for tank barrels and home in. Waymo may have kept this feature so come the revolution and Musk's Cybertanks, they can auto engage and fully discharge their batteries on contact.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Robocar learns a hard lesson

    Police: You realize you hit a telephone pole?

    Robocar: You realize my taxes pay your salary?

    Police: Have you been drinking?

    Robocar: I only had a quart of oil, honestly! [sobbing] I was abused at the dealership. My dev and I are going through a divorce. I have two little scooters. Don’t tell the NHSTB!

  3. Sora2566

    See, there's a problem when the company doesn't have to disclose how many accidents its cars get into... we end up with very conservative estimates of how many accidents they get into.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    One pole sorted

    Just 52,967,043 to go.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: One pole sorted

      You are Nigel Farage and I claim my £5...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: One pole sorted

        How about a milkshake?

  5. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    FAIL

    "blaming on faulty maps and code"

    You don't say ?

    At least you're honest enough to blame the code, but are you really saying that your vehicles depend on up-to-date map info more than on actual detection abilities ?

    Because if that's the case, I'm not getting into your boxes of death-by-ignorance.

    Telephone poles are not included in Google Maps. You need to update your code.

    1. UnknownUnknown Silver badge

      Re: "blaming on faulty maps and code"

      Sounds more to me like a Robot car seeing problem than a mapping issue ??

      As a human driver, I don’t need Apple Maps to help me with telegraph pole avoidance intel.

    2. SomeRandom1

      Re: "blaming on faulty maps and code"

      I'm presume they have a reason to ignore the built-in vehicle sensors, however even my old banger detects objects in front of it and will emergency brake. Was it Waymo who ran over a cyclist as they had disabled the car emergency braking sensors?

  6. Groo The Wanderer

    They never thought to program it to avoid flipping telephone poles??!?!?!

    What else did they forget to allow for? Pedestrians? Cyclists? Little old ladies pushing shopping carts?

    1. YetAnotherLocksmith

      Unicycles!

      (no, seriously, they had an accident because of them recently)

      1. Rameses Niblick the Third Kerplunk Kerplunk Whoops Where's My Thribble?

        If they hit a pickup truck because it was being towed incorrectly (You're towing it wrong" sounds very like an Apple excuse mind you) does hitting a unicycle count as "it hit you because you're cycling wrong"?

  7. werdsmith Silver badge

    Could there be a software fix for the human drivers who keep doing this down the road from me. The same streetlight replaced three times in two years.

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    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      When I was a kid, a friend lived in a house on the outside of a curve on a busy road. They had a brick mailbox. Several times it was leveled by someone leaving the road in the curve, typically in the middle of the night.

  8. that one in the corner Silver badge
    Coat

    Wandering mind generates obscure reference

    Waymo cars that are vulnerable to wood receive an update and then become unable to cope with anything painted yellow. But they now only need to recharge once every 24 hours.

    (Mine is the anorak that has been sealed in acrylic and graded)

  9. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

    Mappers and Maps

    I had a friend who worked as a mapper - that was his job title - for a local electric power company. His job was to update AutoCAD drawings, based on field reports from surveyors, power-pole installers, and repair staff.

    In other words, the power-pole-location computer files were continually out-of-date with respect to reality.

    Is Wayno depending on such files to "avoid" power-poles, vs processing image data? If so, that ought to be (IANAL, and I don't know how the laws read) - considered criminal negligence.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Mappers and Maps

      Is Wayno depending on such files to "avoid" power-poles, vs processing image data? If so, that ought to be (IANAL, and I don't know how the laws read) - considered criminal negligence.

      I agree on criminal negligence, but I'd hope they're not relying on maps. Plus telegraph poles are usually on pavements, so their auto-nav has much bigger problems if it can't detect and avoid those. I expect many more issues to come when FSD mows down pedestrians using zebra crossings, or drivers get fines for box junctions.

  10. codejunky Silver badge

    Hmm

    "several of the incidents involved collisions with clearly visible objects that a competent driver would be expected to avoid"

    A competent driver that has developed for over 100 years and still manages to have collisions (some amusing and stupid) and that is the baseline this new technology is being compared against. Sounds like it could be a lot worse

    1. AndrueC Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Hmm

      There's a light fixture in a village near me that is currently surrounded by protective barriers and leaning precariously. Assuming that was done by a human driver I don't think we can lord it much over robo-drivers.

      It's not like you'd be going fast while negotiating that bend or exiting that side road.

  11. Andy Landy
    FAIL

    please select all images with telephone poles

    i'm willing to bet there will be a whole new class of captchas heading our way shortly...

  12. Philo T Farnsworth Silver badge

    Recall notice

    God is recalling all humans created after "The Fall" for software upgrades that will prevent them from driving while drunk, while angry at their spouses or lovers, while distracted by kids squabblilng in the back seat, or just failing to pay attention to what the heck is going on around them on the road. The upgrades will also include strict adherence to speed limits, coming to a full stop at stop signs, and not gunning it to make it through the interection on the tail end of the yellow.

    Teenage males will also have testosterone levels reduced to reduce the incidents of stupid stunts while behind the wheel.

    The package also includes software changes to bicyclists preventing them from running stop signs and generally requiring them to follow the rules of the road, since traffic laws apply to them, as well.

    The recall process should be complete at or about the heat death of the universe.

  13. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    The manager(s) who signed off on the software release used by the car shoud receive a years jail each time a robocar has a crash like this because of being confused.

    1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      oh yes thank you downvoters you just proved my point that managers are never responsible for their action. They lie and pretend they are, but they never actually are reponsible in a legal scense, like going to jail when their mistke kills.

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