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Construction work on Intel's $25 billion semiconductor manufacturing plant in Kiryat Gat, Israel, has reportedly been postponed. According to Israeli media [in Hebrew], Intel has asked an infrastructure construction firm to pause work on the project. In a statement to The Register on Monday, the x86 giant reaffirmed its …

  1. DS999 Silver badge

    Seems like a dumb time

    To make such a major investment in Israel, when they are in a war they seem to have no intention of halting anytime soon. Already some of their far right figures in their government are suggesting they should take the war to Lebanon and take additional territory as a buffer zone. Sound familiar?

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Seems like a dumb time

      To make such a major investment in Israel, when they are in a war they seem to have no intention of halting anytime soon. Already some of their far right figures in their government are suggesting they should take the war to Lebanon and take additional territory as a buffer zone. Sound familiar?

      I'm guessing it's a mix of political and economic. Intel's been losing market share in a number of areas, with analysts questioning whether it's following the right strategy. Which at the moment seems to be 'make AI accelerators'. AFAIK fabs in Israel make a lot of desktop and server chips, but no idea what components the new fab plant was supposed to produce. Maybe that market's declining and the investment's stopped making sense. Israel's a relatively high cost country, so might be cheaper to build the fab plant elsewhere, especially as the US is offering bungs to bring that work back home.

      Then there's the political stuff, so if Intel wants to can this project, it needs to be very careful how it justifies it given boycotting Israel is illegal in the US. But not elsewhere, so there's a risk Intel products might get boycotted by non-US buyers. And then there's the potential kinetic effects, especially with anti-Israeli forces getting access to better and longer range weapons. Intel might not want to committ to building a $25bn, high profile target. Or there's a bunch of other possible reasons, like water or power constraints, or given interest rate changes and general economic stuff, it might not be able to raise the cash to continue with the project.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Seems like a dumb time

        > Israel's a relatively high cost country, so might be cheaper to build the fab plant elsewhere, especially as the US is offering bungs to bring that work back home.

        IIRC Kiryat Gat is a shit hole lesser-developed region, and Intel got shitloads $$$ incentives to build the original fab there. It might be that negotiations for brown envelopes further infrastructure investments didn't pan out

      2. martinusher Silver badge

        Re: Seems like a dumb time

        Its probably more to do with key management being from that part of the world than any practical reason.

        Even ignoring the geopolitics the main constraint is that Israel is a very small country with a very limited workforce. While its relatively easy to find a workforce to build a fab facility staffing it is a whole different game. In the past Israel was able to bolster its skilled workforce by inbound immigration -- they had pulled in a lot of Russians back when I visited there, for example -- but eventually that source will be tapped out.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Seems like a dumb time

      In agreement, this is not BDS, this is about actual business risk. Such a plant is an easy target for medium range weapons and drones. There is also a shortage of labor due to the demands of war and risks to those who might have otherwise been immigrant labor.

      Netanyahu is a desperate but clever firebrand interested firstly in his own political survival - he is evidently executing the war in such a way as to draw it out as long as possible (or is tactically incompetent). 8 months after squeezing all refugees into the Gaza-Egyptian border, he correctly states the Gaza-Egyptian border is a supply line for Hamas and the refugees must move out. Well, duh! 8 months wasted with very little or no lasting achievement to show for it. Why no refugee camps for Palestinians in Israel? Wouldn't that actually have helped, denying civilian cover to Hamas and denying fresh recruits?

      March Gallop poll news "Majority in U.S. Now Disapprove of Israeli Action in Gaza. Approval has dropped from 50% to 36% since November". That's despite continued support for Israel as a state, according a March Pew poll. Please give Gantz a chance.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Wasn't a good idea

    Given the proposed $25B factory is/was located on land seized under a brutal and ongoing military occupation, surely Intel could see the risks associated with the project long before now.

    The risk of physical damage to the factory due to military conflicts.

    The risk of future sanctions from other trading nations or partners (or perhaps the UN) making the business case unviable.

    The risk of someone involved on the Intel side having an ethical moment, and saying 'no, not there'.

    The USA locations make much more sense.

    1. DBAosaurus

      Re: Wasn't a good idea

      AC be careful, your mask has slipped and revealed a bigot. Kiryat Gat is inside Israel proper, within the pre-1967 borders, so is definitively not under any sort of military occupation, brutal or otherwise.

      You are one of those people who want any excuse to attack the one democracy in the region, and America's most steadfast ally. Perhaps you could vent a little less against those who find themselves in an impossible situation following the Hamas atrocities, and perhaps focus on their sponsors?

      1. AndyFl

        Re: Wasn't a good idea

        Most of those in an "impossible situation" following "atrocities" are not Israelis. The current leadership of the "one democracy in the region" are on a killing spree and completely out of control with the unfortunate support of several foreign governments including mine. I agree we should focus on the sponsors - just not only the ones you are thinking about. I'm waiting for the next phase of BDS against this apartheid state.

        Now back to the techie focus of El Reg.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Wasn't a good idea

          This is an interesting insight into what is fuelling the US support of this conflict:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0mwfJkS7oM

          This lady is bought and paid for by Boeing and at about 3:28 moves to the 'if we don't sell these bombs there might be job losses'.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            I see we have some warmongers in the audience today :)

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Wasn't a good idea

              > I see we have some warmongers in the audience today :)

              I do not think that word means what you think it means

          2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            Whats even more interesting is the safest country in the middle east for an arab is israel, thats why they dont want to leave because all the other arab countries are WORSE. But why let facts get in the way of bullshit.

            The israelis have killed at most a few thousands arabs, guess how many arabs have been killed by their brothers in...

            Libya - 100k

            Egypt - 100k

            Syria - millions ?

            Iraq - MIllions ?

            Iran - millions, did i also mention half the population has been in prison for the past 40 years - yes women there are prisoners in all but name...

        2. Snake Silver badge

          Re: Wasn't a good idea

          I'm going to stick my neck out and agree. People need to look in the mirror and ask themselves a very serious question: if the shoe was on the other foot, if an Arab nation was doing to the Israeli population what Israel is currently inflicting on the civilian population of Gaza, would the world be as laissez-faire about it?

          I don't accept double standards, sorry.

          1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            Most people are ignorant idiots.

            Yes Israel has been very tough because of terrorist problems... but what most people dont realise is compared to other arab countries, israel is still a paradise.

            Saddam killed MILLIONS of his own muslim brothers. ISIS was filled by muslim brothers attacking and enslaving muslim brothers. Syria, again a few 100k died there.

            How many has Israel killed since 1949, its barely a few thousands....

            Thousands vs tens of millions now tell me who are the bad guys.

            Muslims are hypocritics, almost none of them said a single word when Saddam was gassing millions of his own people. Replace saddam with any of the dozens of tyrants...and the same crowd are silent.

            1. Snake Silver badge

              Re: ignorant idiots

              Thousands vs tens of millions now tell me who are the bad guys.

              Right now, THE ISRAELIS. Don't go thinking that [my] morality is flexible because "Well, they did it first". Killing is killing, murder is murder, and you don't get off scot-free because "But I saw them do it!". That, frankly, is disgusting morally corrupt. I know so many people are "morally flexible" or have "situationally adjustable morals" in today's world (my father-in-law does), but I'm not and I'm not going to stand for it.

              1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

                Re: ignorant idiots

                snake; Right now, THE ISRAELIS. Don't go thinking that [my] morality is flexible because "Well, they did it first"

                cow Theres a big differene betwen what israel is doing today and has done to counter hamas and what saddam did.

                Hamas and what they do are not acceptable in any society. Hamas not only cause terror on israel they also cause terror on their own people. Its a well known fact that hamas torture and kill thousands of their own arab people because they "cooperate" or inform israel. There is no justice in gaza, anybdy can be tortured as a collaborator at any time.

                Israel is doing themselves adn the people of gaza a favour.

          2. Dr Kerfuffle

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            Well hold on, the Arab countries have been doing a pretty good job of slaughtering eachother without any involvement of Israel. Nobody gives a damn about them, least of all the Arabs themselves.

            1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

              Re: Wasn't a good idea

              The blame israel is the oldest trick in the book.

              When you are adictatorship and you slaughter millions of your own people, you divert attention and let the people protest about israel because you wont let them protest about your own corrupt murdering dictatorship.

        3. Dr Kerfuffle

          Re: Wasn't a good idea

          Here we go again. I knew someone wouldn't be able to resist using the tired 'apartheid' word. It simply isn't true and anyone who knew even the basics of the country would realise that.

          1. AndyFl

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            Apartheid refers to racial discrimination and was therefore the correct term to use. It is a dirty word for a dirty thing. Israel has essentially a two-track citizenship structure depending if you are Jewish or Palestinian - have a look at the Citizenship laws which give incoming Jews rights to settle etc. Palestinians living in the country had/have a much more difficult process involving lengthy and difficult paperwork processes to demonstrate their residence with almost 1 million of them being expelled and without a right to return.

      2. HashimFromSheffield

        Re: Wasn't a good idea

        Ah yes, the 1967 borders that were created by the Israelis "winning" a "war" on the poor country that the British had installed them to in 1947, a country which already had a population of Arabs, Jews and Christians living in peace together for almost a thousand years. Remind us what those pre-1947 borders looked like.

        1. Missing Semicolon Silver badge

          Re: Wasn't a good idea

          It was only be a matter of time before the anti-semites started questioning the legitimacy of the Balfour Declaration.

          1. GraXXoR Bronze badge

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            Seems just like a case of heroes living long enough to become the villains.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            > anti-semites

            It was only a matter of time before the usual weaponised cries of "anti-semitism" were hauled out against any criticism of Israel or its government.

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            "anti-semites"

            That's as bad as "everyone I dsiagree with is a Nazi".

            Israel stole the land, driving out many Palestinians and refusing the right to return for those who fled the fighting then. Now Israel is murdering thousands of Palestinian children. Being against the atrocities of the Israeli government is not "anti-semitism". And yes, we can condemn both the atrocities of Hamas and Israel at the same time. Condemning the Israeli government does not equate to supporting Hamas.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Wasn't a good idea

              Re: "Israel stole the land ..." Currently the number of Jews who emigrated from other middle Eastern and North African countries to Israel exceeds the number who emigrated from Europe. Lucky for them because being a non-Islamic minority in one of those Islamic countries is, on average, an unstable and sometimes deadly situation to be in. In fact, even being the wrong flavor of Islam is, on average, an unstable and sometimes deadly situation to be in, in those Islamic countries. Take a look at the pictures of the 4 hostages rescued this week - "4 Israeli hostages, including Noa Argamani, rescued from Gaza, MSNBC". Not a blue eye or golden hair in sight. They all look high percentage Middle Eastern or at least Turkik.

              If you really want peace (you are free not to want that) then you must give up the "Israel stole the land ..." axiomatic moral crutch.

              1. martinusher Silver badge

                Re: Wasn't a good idea

                Chicken and egg, that

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Wasn't a good idea

          It was actually the League of Nations (now the UN), not the British, who created the state in 1947. We'd handed the land over as we were in no fit state to keep looking after things post WW2.

          Something to also keep in mind that the British control of what had previously been Ottoman controlled land was in order to keep a relative peace that the Ottomans had managed to maintain between the various people for that previous 1000 odd and not let the Arab uprising turn into an all out bloodbath.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            The Ottoman Empire only controlled Israel\Palestine for 400 years, not 1,000.

          2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            Bullshit. The mid east has always been at war.

            The british never controlled Saudi Arabia, and in the 1920s the Saud family had dozens of wars going around killing and conquering their brothers.

            Even if the british did make a mistake in the borders why should it matter ?

            We have borders all over the world, does that mean there are wars everywhere else ?

            How many wars have been in your city/town because the state or zip code lines are in the *wrong* place ?

            Im sure the local bus service routes might not be to everyones satisfaction does that mean there are wars in London because of this ?

            There are a lot of dumb lines everywhere in Australia, do we have wars about this ?

            Face the facts the middle east great curse is they are filled with idiots who have no humanity and think nothing of killing someone because they can. The mid east even has wars amongst themselves, just look at how they treat their women, they treat them worse than prisoners for no crime at all or because they dont trust their fellow neighbour. Either way the answer is not a shining example of their humanity.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Wasn't a good idea

              We completely gloss over all this in the west which is why we have groups like 'queers for palestine' or 'fatties for palestine'. The reality being they'd be first up against the wall in an arab country.

              There was a story in the news a few weeks back about a guy who was living in Doha and using grindr for hookups. Turns out the local police also use grndr. Oops!

        3. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          Re: Wasn't a good idea

          Living in peace ?

          What utter bullshit ... there were major arab revolts against the turkish during ww1 for starters.

          The mid east has always been at war between themselves or their friendly neigbours.

          Go read the bible or koran, every other page is about another war. Mohammad's entire life was filled with wars. Out of Mo's dozen companions only ONE died of old age, all the others got killed by their friends or in wars and thats just ONE example of how peaceful it was.

          If anything israel the land has been far more peaceful in the last 100 years than it ever has been for the past 3000.

      3. GraXXoR Bronze badge

        Re: Wasn't a good idea

        I’m not a war logistics expert but 246 for 4 feels a little on the brutal side to me.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Wasn't a good idea

          "I’m not a war logistics expert but 246 for 4 feels a little on the brutal side to me."

          Sounds like a good reason not to launch one of the most brutal terrorist attacks in the last two decades against the civilians of a country that everybody knows will hit back very, very hard. Perhaps Hames and the many residents of Gaza who voted for them could have factored this into their earlier calculations?

      4. isr

        Re: Wasn't a good idea

        Leaving aside the historical-illiteracy (it's not occupied land just because it was stolen before 1967), and the hysterically-outlandish (we are an apartheid state, who practices occupation, genocide, kidnapping & torture - but we're a democracy). Leaving aside all that, as this is not the place to debate that.

        Don't you get even a little bored of constantly playing the victim card, and reflexively accusing anyone & everyone of being racist, if they do not sufficiently bend the knee at the alter of Zionism? Seriously?

        1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          Re: Wasn't a good idea

          Big labels, calling Israel an apartheid state ?

          WHat does that make Gaza itself, considering the entire community is a part of the war machine that is trying to always launch missiles against israel ?

          The real enemy of the Palestinian people are themselves. THey have too many kids and they are cowards who allow all the militant grups to control them. Who lives in a shithole like Gaza and still has lots of kids ?

          The enemy is population not israel.

      5. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Wasn't a good idea

        > Kiryat Gat is inside Israel proper, within the pre-1967 borders, so is definitively not under any sort of military occupation

        Tell that to the Canaanites !

        1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          Re: Wasn't a good idea

          THe israelies are the ancestors of the canaanites. Go watch vids on YT from israel finkeslstein.

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Wasn't a good idea

            >THe israelies are the ancestors of the canaanites

            You are not to leave even one person alive in the cities of these nations that the Lord your God is about to give you as an inheritance.

            You must completely destroy the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites,

            1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

              Re: Wasn't a good idea

              YAAC

              The bible can call the jewish people whatever it likes, that doesnt mean deep down they were originally caananites. Names are labels, its very easy to label yourself or someone else a new or different name, and guess what thaats what the bible and everybody else has done since the beginning of time.

              On the Belgium/France border theres no difference between the peoples either side, a french on one side is not diferent from a belgian on the other side.

              1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

                Re: Wasn't a good idea

                >Belgium/France border theres no difference between the peoples either side, a french on one side is not diferent from a belgian on the other side.

                Now you're just being deliberately offensive !

                Just saying it's a good job that G*d doesn't step in and sort out the middle east, but leaves it to his favourite son - Tony Blair

      6. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        Re: Wasn't a good idea

        AC was not a bigot. Israel is not a safe place and it only takes one missile and the plant has serious problems.

        We are very lucky the nutters dont take advantage of the very fragile and susceptable public infratructure present in all countries.

      7. katrinab Silver badge
        Alert

        Re: Wasn't a good idea

        There’s a risk that it could end up under military occupation though.

  3. b1k3rdude

    And so it begines, I hope...

    ...That corps and goverments start talking a cold hard look at investing or supporting a regiem that has no problem with genocide.

  4. Dr Kerfuffle

    Funny how as soon as there is a story that mentions Israel, the haters pile in. They just can't help themselves!.

    If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all!

    1. HashimFromSheffield

      If you have to take your PR playbook from the mindset of teenage girl, then you've probably run out of solid arguments and are trying to distract (others and yourself) from the fact you're on the wrong side of history. A hint, to see what sane people see when reading your comment: replace Israel in your comment with Nazi Germany, or Russia, or any other genocidal occupying state. They all have lots of "haters".

    2. Jedit Silver badge
      Flame

      "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all!"

      Martin Niemoller had a few things to say about not speaking out.

      I grew up next to one of the largest and oldest Jewish communities in the UK. Most kids my age learned about the evil of the Nazis from reading war comics; I learned it from seeing swastikas scrawled on Jewish cemeteries. I will never not speak out for the right of Jews to live safely anywhere in this world. But by the same token, I will never not speak out for the right of the Palestinian people to do the same. And if you would deny them or anyone else that right then whoever you are, whatever faith you follow, I will speak out against you. As a human being I can do no other.

    3. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Because they are cowards, yes Israel is not perfect, but they dont have the guts or mental integrity to say a bad word against muslims, because we all know islam is a religion of peace.

      When was the last time you heard any of these same groups of people criticize any muslim leader.

      ZERO.

      Saddm was a monster he killed millions and there was never a single march or protest in any islamic country against saddam...

      That says a lot.

  5. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    This is starting to not sound good

    ""Israel continues to be one of our key global manufacturing and R&D sites and we remain fully committed to the region "

    continues to be . .

    remain fully committed . .

    Why am I feeling like this is the kind of declaration you make to prepare for the time when you'll say "we decided to abandon the project" ?

    1. Zolko Silver badge

      Re: This is starting to not sound good

      sounds a lot like "Punk is not dead "

    2. Shalghar Bronze badge

      Re: This is starting to not sound good

      The site in germany that has been mentioned briefly in the article has subsidies of 10 billion involved.

      After nokia in bochum and the chip foundry fiasco from siemens that was named "Infineon" i am somewhat disinterested in wasting money to lure in "investors" who are quite likely to suck out more than they bring to the table.

      I am also somewhat surprised that instead of the site in israel, the german project isnt halted, with electrical energy being (among) the most expensive in the world and the reliability of energy supply getting worse the longer the "ampel" morons keep destroying anything remotely industrial that doesnt flee the country.

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: This is starting to not sound good

        As usual, it seems Intel chose a bunch of sites based on short-term incentives rather than any sort of long-term planning.

        Calling the result of Gelsinger's much-heralded return underwhelming would be a compliment.

  6. mikus

    Since they leveled Gaza, maybe Intel is going to make a lowball bid on all that cheap land instead now for their "luxury research park".

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Seafront location!

  7. David.Levi

    Investing in Israel is a risk

    The current Israeli government has shown that it has no regard for law, as the people in power keep going on record with extreme and fundamentalist statements that should scare any business that would hope for due process in court or protection from government decrees. The Israeli judicial process is now owned by these fundamentalists, one of whom was being investigated for corruption not long ago. There is no one who can bring this government to account.

    1. Missing Semicolon Silver badge

      Re: Investing in Israel is a risk

      We won't talk about the other genocidal crowd, who have "sweeping Israel into the sea" as a constitutional principle.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Investing in Israel is a risk

        Be that as it may, actions speak louder than words… who’s *actually* doing the sweeping.. or in this case flattening?

        Anyway, enough politics for one day.

  8. Bill Neal

    Water resources

    How about responsible geography management? Why do they keep building in the deserts of Arizona, New Mexico, and Israel? These places aren't known for having an abundance of resources for fabs.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Water resources

      Subsidies.

      There are some other factors. The New Mexico fabs, for example, are near the Sandia and Los Alamos National Labs, so there's already some concentration of high-tech expertise and workforce. The Intel New Mexico fabs claim to be using 100% renewable sources for electricity, and New Mexico is a good place for photovoltaic. (Even here in the boonies the local electrical co-op is 100% daytime solar, on average, thanks to a number of panel and battery installations.)

      And they claim — I haven't seen any hard data to back this up — that the combination of advanced water management and Intel-funded water conservation projects in the area mean they've returned over 100% of the water used by the fabs to watersheds.

      At least if you believe the published numbers (which, I know, is something of a leap of faith), fabs can be more water-conserving than, say, agriculture, which is by far the biggest water user in the US desert Southwest. Traditional New Mexico agriculture with acequia irrigation is much better for water conservation than pumping paleowater out of deep aquifers and losing half of it to evaporation with pivot irrigators, but it still uses a lot of water in the aggregate. So there's an economic argument to make that climbing the manufacturing ladder can reduce overall water use.

      But mostly it's subsidies.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    > In a statement to The Register on Monday, the x86 giant reaffirmed its commitment to Israel

    What's all this "x86 giant" nonsense? It's Chipzilla!

  10. excperr
    Big Brother

    hasbara here? on el reg?

    oh yes they are everywhere!

  11. Luiz Abdala
    Facepalm

    All eggs in two baskets?

    South Korea looks a fine place for a chip fab, but then you remember of North Korea.

    Now we got Israel?

    Can we please have chip fabs far away from powder kegs, please? Most of 21st century tech apparently is related to those fabs in South Korea...

    How about - crazy thought - a chip fab in Australia, one in Switzerland, one in Mexico, and one in Brazil? Hm?

  12. FuzzyTheBear
    Alert

    Yeah

    Intel's management might have to think twice since Israel is accused of genocide in front of the international tribunal.

    Noone wants their name associated with such regimes / ongoing war

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Yeah

      Didn't hurt IBM

  13. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    Dont fab plants require a lot of water ?

    Surely putting a fab in a place with very limited amounts of water is never a good idea (tm) ?

  14. campmkting

    John Pitzer, Intel Corporate VP of Planning & IR at Intel Corporation (INTC) BofA Global Technology Conference (Transcript), Jun. 04, 2024

    ""From an accounting standpoint, the way to think about this, given that we have 51% ownership, we will fully consolidate this through all the way 'to the net income line'. And then as you know, we've got that non-controlling interest line 'after net income' and that's how we reflect both the Brookfield agreement now the Apollo agreement, quite frankly, it also reflects when we sell down Mobileye, when we sell down IMS, everything that we deconsolidated that NCI line before we calculate EPS."

    Observation; certainly net, and net after tax covering all costs, is the way intel thinks about paying for things present a production volume requirement.

    "Now as you pointed out, consumption last year was about '270 million units for the market. We're pegged this year to like 276 million to 278 million."

    Observation; in other word's 100% and AMD is not even a consideration.

    "We still think longer-term this PC market is roughly a 300 million-plus or minus unit market. I will remind you that we were at 270 million units of consumption last year." "We're sort of pegging the market to 276 million to 278 million this year, but we were at the low end of seasonality in the first half. And so that will help as far as half-on-half growth."

    Observation, confirmation, Intel takes all of it and conceals the inframarginal units that are more and about what AMD aims to produce?

    Observation on channel data reconciled on 10-Qs; AMD adds 100 M that is not even considered by Intel producing 400 M units to address AMD?

    "And so at the endpoint, the 2030 model, we kind of gave at the Intel consolidated level a 60-40 breakdown between gross margin and operating margin. That's really based on about $100 billion of revenue in that time period."

    Observation; I mentioned $100 B in revenue when I did a straight-line depreciation schedule in q4 2021 published on Seeking Alpha.

    Looking over my notes in q4 2021 the actual question was with Intel PP&E on a gross basis going from $63.245 billion to $168.342 billion and the number is actually $289 billion on all projects then detailed, how many units would Intel have to produce annually, at a $231 per unit average gross, with all other costs being the same COS 45%, MG&A 8%, R&D 19% that in q2 2024 is low to sustain $167 cost per unit gross basis for Plant, Property, Construction and Equipment.

    The answer is 999,000,000 units valued at $230,833,263,157 in revenue.

    I offered an intermediate example at $84.171 billion for PC&E sustaining $167 per unit gross. Intel would have to sell 502,740,000 units for $116,165,280,000 in revenue.

    Saving grace for Intel is whatever the plant and equipment gross and spreading it out over seven years. Straight lining $289.233 billion over 20 years Intel would depreciate down to $169.638 billion in the 7th year (2028) reaching 2021 level albeit lacking any maintenance add in the 15th year.

    On a net basis, on the financial, I have Intel at 309 million units of x86 production in 2023.

    Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    War zone

    Why on earth would you build a massively expensive and delicate plant in the middle of a small country that is perpetually a war zone, or has conflicts with neighbours.

    Seems risky to me.

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